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mtrax · posted at 1/17/2012 9:21 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

Don't you remember the Heat giving away Beasley to the Wolves for a draft pick ... as long as the receiving team is under the cap they can do it for a pick and a TE. You're out of your league mtax ...
Posted by Mployee8

What does the luxury tax have to do with signing Dwight?
Who will LAC give away?
Beasley had value because he was a young player who was a former 2nd pick.
Nobody is going to take Ryan Gomes off of the Clippers for them.

As an fyi, LAC do not have a 1st round pick in 2012.

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mtrax · posted at 1/17/2012 9:23 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard : I'm sorry but you're totally wrong. http://www.hoopsworld.com/dwight-howard-dilema-heating-up It’s fool’s gold for the Magic, who are destined to lose Howard once he and his representatives pull out all the tricks that were deployed by LeBron and Melo (Anthony), and a few new ones courtesy of a collective bargaining agreement that will force Orlando to make a decision rather than beg Howard to stay this summer. The max extension that Anthony got in his trade to the Knicks is no longer an option, and neither is the sign-and-trade route that would get Howard a max deal in July while also assuring that the Magic get some assets in return. Don't forget we have a new CBA, wingnut!
Posted by Fiercest34

He's a rookie.

Mployee8 · posted at 1/17/2012 9:23 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard : What does the luxury tax have to do with signing Dwight? Who will LAC give away? Beasley had value because he was a young player who was a former 2nd pick. Nobody is going to take Ryan Gomes off of the Clippers for them. As an fyi, LAC do not have a 1st round pick in 2012. TAG
Posted by mtrax

Beasley had value ... and what did Miami get for him?

Mployee8 · posted at 1/17/2012 9:27 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard : I'm sorry but you're totally wrong. http://www.hoopsworld.com/dwight-howard-dilema-heating-up It’s fool’s gold for the Magic, who are destined to lose Howard once he and his representatives pull out all the tricks that were deployed by LeBron and Melo (Anthony), and a few new ones courtesy of a collective bargaining agreement that will force Orlando to make a decision rather than beg Howard to stay this summer. The max extension that Anthony got in his trade to the Knicks is no longer an option, and neither is the sign-and-trade route that would get Howard a max deal in July while also assuring that the Magic get some assets in return. Don't forget we have a new CBA, wingnut!
Posted by Fiercest34

I just said they have till the trade deadline ... period. After that no team other than Orlando can give DH a 5 yr deal.

But if traded by March deadline they could do a S&T for players, TE, picks if the numbers match or the receiving team is under the cap and returns a PTE.

Fiercest34 · posted at 1/17/2012 9:27 PM EST

Hey, wingnut, you've been here since 2008 and the troll is calling you a rookie. Ha Ha

Fiercest34 · posted at 1/17/2012 9:28 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard : I just said they have till the trade deadline ... period. After that no team other than Orlando can give DH a 5 yr deal. But if traded by March deadline they could do a S&T for players, TE, picks if the numbers match or the receiving team is under the cap and returns a PTE.
Posted by Mployee8

Excuses, excuses, and more excuses. Just admit that you were wrong.

Mployee8 · posted at 1/17/2012 9:29 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! A TROLL JUST PUNCHED OUR WINGNUT IN THE GRILL AND IT'S A KNOCKOUT! Told you not to play with the trolls, wingnut!
Posted by Fiercest34

Show where the new CBA says a S&T can't be done by this March for a five year deal .... Proof with a link. You are wrong ... you're misinterpreting that story you posted as is pretty common for your reading skills.

Fiercest34 · posted at 1/17/2012 9:30 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

It's no miracle ... If the Clips want DH they can do it in a S&T by the deadline and DH can get a max contract from Orlando if the Clips are willing to part with Jordan, etal ... The only way DH gets a five year max deal is by stating in Orlando or being part of a S&T by the deadline. KG's contract is valuable for that very reason. DH could get a five year max deal from Orlando and they could swap him for KG and whatever and get cap relief with picks or players if that's what they think is best for them. Only a few teams have the players to match up in a S&T that would interest Orlando so they could opt for cap space and picks/rookies over other offers if the right players aren't included.
Posted by Mployee8

The article said you can't do that. Read the article, wingnut, read!

That's what Melo did last year. This year that's not allowed.

Mployee8 · posted at 1/17/2012 9:31 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard : Excuses, excuses, and more excuses. Just admit that you were wrong.
Posted by Fiercest34

You're wrong ... that's why it's widely accepted that a deal must be done by the deadline or the only loser will be DH cause as a FA he loses $25M ... you've been schooled on this before by another poster and apparently it too has gone over that empty head of yours .... LOL

Mployee8 · posted at 1/17/2012 9:32 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard : Beasley had value ... and what did Miami get for him?
Posted by Mployee8

Hello MTAX .... What did Miami get for Beasley? Answer the question!

Fiercest34 · posted at 1/17/2012 9:34 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard : You're wrong ... that's why it's widely accepted that a deal must be done by the deadline or the only loser will be DH cause as a FA he loses $25M ... you've been schooled on this before by another poster and apparently it too has gone over that empty head of yours .... LOL
Posted by Mployee8

DH already lost. If you just read the article.

DH can no longer get a max contract at the trade deadline.

Fiercest34 · posted at 1/17/2012 9:38 PM EST

Here's the original article from CBS.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/16900895/howard-keeping-quiet-as-tradedeadline-zoo-approaches-and-fast

It's fool's gold for the Magic, who are destined to lose Howard once he and his representatives pull out all the tricks that were deployed by LeBron and Melo, and a few new ones courtesy of a collective bargaining agreement that will force Orlando to make a decision rather than beg Howard to stay this summer. The max extension that Anthony got in his trade to the Knicks is no longer an option, and neither is the sign-and-trade route that would get Howard a max deal in July while also assuring that the Magic get some assets in return.

If DH wants max money he stays in Orlando. DH can leave at the end of the season but he's not going to get max money via S&T. Read the article, wingnut!

Fiercest34 · posted at 1/17/2012 9:39 PM EST

In other words, DH already lost because he's not going to get max money at the trade deadline and he's also not going to get max money in a S&T in July. Read, wingnut, read!

mtrax · posted at 1/17/2012 10:01 PM EST

Wingnut, will the Clippers trade Jordan for a 2017 second round pick so they can get well under the luxury tax, I mean amnesty line, I mean salary cap?
Take an aspirin and let your head hit the pillow.

Fiercest34 · posted at 1/17/2012 10:03 PM EST

Can't teach an old dog new tricks. In this case, can't teach an old wingnut new tricks. Ha Ha

Looks like a 50-year old wingnut just fell down the elevator shaft.

mtrax · posted at 1/17/2012 10:35 PM EST

Wingnut, I forgot about Caron Butler's $8m salary for next year.
The Clippers have $58m on the books for next season.
The salary cap will be between $58m-$60m.
How again are they going to give Dwight a max contract?

Mployee8 · posted at 1/17/2012 10:42 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

In other words, DH already lost because he's not going to get max money at the trade deadline and he's also not going to get max money in a S&T in July. Read, wingnut, read!
Posted by Fiercest34

Wrong! You may be right that Orlando can't do an extension to his existing contract and then trade him but DH can opt out of his PO and resign with his new team if traded with bird rights by the deadline. If Orlando doesn't trade him by the deadline then only they can renew his contract for five years at the max.

Only link I could find right now ... I'm busy, so sorry ... Hahaha.

/> I see people posting about this January 1st date, but I dont believe its true. Larry Coon the cap guru said this isnt true.

Quote:

@LarryCoon
No. RT @Ronnie131: Does Howard have a Dec. 31 deadline to be traded so that he can get bird rights & 5 yrs from his new team?

Maybe January 1st is the extension deadline or something? If it is Dwight was never gonna sign one. I believe any team that trades for Dwight before the trade deadline has his bird rights which means they can offer him the max bird rights deal in the off season. <

mtrax · posted at 1/17/2012 10:50 PM EST

Wingnut, you are wrong again. Dwight can't even opt out until the season is over so how can get opt out and get traded by the trade deadline?

Mployee8 · posted at 1/17/2012 10:55 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

Wingnut, I forgot about Caron Butler's $8m salary for next year. The Clippers have $58m on the books for next season. The salary cap will be between $58m-$60m. How again are they going to give Dwight a max contract?
Posted by mtrax

Once they own the rights to DH with Bird Rights by the trade deadline they can resign him at the end of the season (as long as he wants to be there by opting out of his player option) and resigning for five year max ... they don't have to be under the cap to resign their own player.

If he is traded to a team that he doesn't want to reup with then he loses that five year max as a FA when he signs with another team.

Mployee8 · posted at 1/17/2012 10:58 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

Wingnut, you are wrong again. Dwight can't even opt out until the season is over so how can get opt out and get traded by the trade deadline?
Posted by mtrax

When he's traded his option goes with him ... if he wants to remain with that team he simply opts out of his Player Option and signs a new contract under Bird Rights, which (as you may or maynot know) means the team now holding his rights can go over the cap to do so.

Mployee8 · posted at 1/17/2012 10:59 PM EST

Read em & weep losers ... #8 takes out two trolls in one post ... LOL!!!

mtrax · posted at 1/17/2012 11:04 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard : Once they own the rights to DH with Bird Rights by the trade deadline they can resign him at the end of the season (as long as he wants to be there by opting out of his player option) and resigning for five year max ... they don't have to be under the cap to resign their own player. If he is traded to a team that he doesn't want to reup with then he loses that five year max as a FA when he signs with another team.
Posted by Mployee8

You were talking about him signing as a free agent after the season is over.
That can't happen for the Clippers.

Mployee8 · posted at 1/17/2012 11:15 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard : You were talking about him signing as a free agent after the season is over. That can't happen for the Clippers.
Posted by mtrax

Excuse me? The whole point of the thread was that DH may have added LAC to his list. And now you are saying that you were talking about LAC signing him after the season as a FA ... Lame excuse to get out of being a duffus pal!

Fiercest34 · posted at 1/17/2012 11:18 PM EST

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard:

In Response to Re: Report: Clips 'intrigue' Dwight Howard : Once they own the rights to DH with Bird Rights by the trade deadline they can resign him at the end of the season (as long as he wants to be there by opting out of his player option) and resigning for five year max ... they don't have to be under the cap to resign their own player. If he is traded to a team that he doesn't want to reup with then he loses that five year max as a FA when he signs with another team.
Posted by Mployee8

That means it's a rental you moron! The new team that would trade for DH would obviously want DH to sign a new contract first. Just like Melo last year. Sure the new team would own his Bird rights, but that would mean they will be getting DH without a contract extension. And why would a team trade for DH if they know he's not going to re-sign with them after the season is over? Stupid! Get a clue!

mtrax · posted at 1/17/2012 11:19 PM EST

Sorry, you have been busted.
This is what you said:

"Afford" and "fit' are two different things ... they could easily trade a player for a pick while under the cap and then sign DH ... You need to do your homework.

The word sign means sign, not trade. Even F34 busted you.