Robert Parish is he crazy?

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    We all love Larry Bird and Paul Pierce. Chief is entitled to his opinion and if we had a chance maybe he'd define it in a way we could agree with. He has an opinion and is qualified but others with the same qualifications might say differently. They are just opinions and not facts.

     
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    Folks!

    For the last time.

    No one, NO ONE(Including Tommy and Parish) has claimed Paul Pierce is the best Celtics player or even the best offensive player!

    Bird had better offensive efficiency and far more assists.

    Paul Pierce is the best scorer because he has the largest arsenal, period!

    He can give it to you any way possible.

    Off screens, one on one, dunk on the whole team, dunk in the face of your center, dribble past two guys and dunk on the 3rd, dribble past two guys and nail a game winning 3 in both of their faces, post up and drive or step back.
    Draw fouls on defenders.

    He does all of these things at a higher overall skill level than any previous Celtic.

    That's all that is being said.
     
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    I love PP's game. He will be in the hall of fame and have his jersey retired and that is all correct.

    But Larry Bird was the league's MVP 3 times and it was not because of his defensive prowess. He was simply one of the greatest offensive players in league history.

    And what Parish said is "Paul Pierce is the best offensive player the Celtics have seen thus far."
     
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    Da Celtics,
    Nobody disagrees with the statement that PP is a multi-dimensional offensive weapon.  What is ridiculous is a peer who is in the Hall of Fame because of three rings Bird helped him win said PP is a better offensive player.  Without Bird would Parish have been in the Hall of Fame?  I'll answer for you, the answer is no.  Bird was a magician offensively.  He was 6ft 9inches and much more dominant on the offensive end than Paul.  His basketball IQ along with Magic's has  never been rivaled.  He was a genius on the offensive end.  Paul is not  in that category.
     
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    Visit nbareference.com

    Anyone that says that Pierce is the better offensive player, or best scorer, did not see Bird play.

    He is not even the best offensive scorer on his own team. He is, however, the most selfish scorer.

    Comparing Pierce to Bird is like comparing a pimped out hot rod Lincoln to a Ferrari.

    Visit NBA reference.com
     
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    Well...Parish sure saw Bird play.  As did Tommy Heinshon.  I don't agree with their assessment that Pierce is the greatest scorer in Celtic history.  But I'd sure like to hear them elaborate on that opinion.
     
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    Bird 24 PPG  .496 FG .88 FT
    Pierce 22 PPG .445 FG .80 FT
    McHale 18 PPG .550 FG .79 FT

    Best scorer is an interesting argument, McHale should be in the conversation.  Playing second fiddle to Larry all those years held his numbers PG down, but the man was down right automatic in his prime.  Look at the FG %.  If he had Larry or Pierce volume of shots he'd have been around 25 a game.

     
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    I think of McHale as more of a specialist scorer: get him the ball in the low post and put it in the book.  Before foot injuries slowed him down, McHale was the best low post scorer outside of Abdul-Jabbar.

    In the two straight years that Bird was doing his 50% FG's, 40% three's and 90% FT's McHale had consecutive seasons of 60% FG's and 80% FT's.  Like Bird, he was the only player to achieve such efficiency.

    And all this was being done with Robert Parish shooting in the mid 50's.

    I guess that's one of the reasons they were called The Big Three.
     
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    People like Parish and Max and some others like to engage in what is politely referred to as "revisionist history" especially in regards to Larry Bird.  A lot of it is left-over sour grapes. It reminds me of the story of when Isaiah Thomas told the press that Bird was only acknowledged as great because he was white, that if he was black he'd be regarded as just another player. Thomas probably believed it, to say something so dumb.  That too was sour grapes along with frustration, jealously, and resentment.

    And comparing Bird to Havlicek or Pierce to Bird is really an exorcize in futility for so many variables and intangibles change so quickly within the game.

    So, my point is to take what these professional talking-heads say with a grain of salt.  They will always talk up the current product a la Tommy & Mike for the benifit of their current employee, while Chief and Max and some others have their own axe to grind with Mr. Bird, who along with Russ, Hondo, & Cooz will be remembered as the greatest Celtics of all time.

    Of course as Paul Simon wrote, "Every generation sends a hero up the pop charts." so don't be surprised when the PR machines kick into highgear and place Paul Pierce up there with other Celtic gods so that this generation of fans can have someone to identify with.  Some of this is about branding and building brand loyalty in the marketing sense.
     
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    When Parish was playing, and gave interviews, he would never compliment Bird or McHale. He would usually explain that the reason why he did not score as much as the other guys, is that they were options one and two, so he did not get the ball as much. I can't recall ever hearing a compliment for Bird.

    If Parish makes a statement that is obviously false to anyone who saw both players play, then it is fair to say that Parish's answer is based on his addenda.

    Pierce at best is a second string all-star. He has never been first or even second team all-NBA. Bird is a multiple league MVP with many first team all NBA sellections.

    It is understandable that people that never saw Bird play might take the parochial point of view that Pierce was the better scorer because that is all they know.

    Read history, visit nbareference.com

     
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    paul gots to go down as one of thee best celtics ever yo stop!hating i love larry bird and hondo russell too but we gotta give it up yo
     
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    Folks! For the last time. No one, NO ONE(Including Tommy and Parish) has claimed Paul Pierce is the best Celtics player or even the best offensive player! Bird had better offensive efficiency and far more assists. Paul Pierce is the best scorer because he has the largest arsenal, period! He can give it to you any way possible. Off screens, one on one, dunk on the whole team, dunk in the face of your center, dribble past two guys and dunk on the 3rd, dribble past two guys and nail a game winning 3 in both of their faces, post up and drive or step back. Draw fouls on defenders. He does all of these things at a higher overall skill level than any previous Celtic. That's all that is being said.
    Posted by DaCeltics


    "Kobe Bryant is not the best player in the world. I'm the greatest player in the world".

    "We aint coming back to LA". (after game 2 of the 2010 Finals)
    Paul Pierce.
     
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    When Parish was playing, and gave interviews, he would never compliment Bird or McHale. He would usually explain that the reason why he did not score as much as the other guys, is that they were options one and two, so he did not get the ball as much. I can't recall ever hearing a compliment for Bird. If Parish makes a statement that is obviously false to anyone who saw both players play, then it is fair to say that Parish's answer is based on his addenda. Pierce at best is a second string all-star. He has never been first or even second team all-NBA. Bird is a multiple league MVP with many first team all NBA sellections. It is understandable that people that never saw Bird play might take the parochial point of view that Pierce was the better scorer because that is all they know. Read history, visit nbareference.com
    Posted by TeamUmbutu



    The bottom line they played together even they don't like each other.
    Bird didn't like Ainge and Mchale. Chief didn't like Bird.
    Mchale didn't like Bird. They think DJ was a headcase.
     
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    Despite the animosity the 85-86 squad is still the best team I've ever seen. 
     
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    I'm sure that there are some teams that are great BECAUSE of animosity among some of the players, at least in part.

    The Shaq-Kobe Lakers come to mind.  It was said that the great Knick teams of the early 70's left the airport in 12 separate cabs.

    Great stars have great egos, otherwise they may not be great.  When Bill Russell is asked about the greatest team he played on, he says 1964, the year AFTER Cousy retired.  I heard a story that before that season Russell confronted a sportswriter who had done a piece about how the team may fall apart now that Cousy was gone.  Russ told the writer something like, "Son, you're going to get an education."  Russ went on to win the MVP as the C's rolled to another championship.

    I've never heard Russell say anything directly critical of Cousy but he was obvioulsy upset that some in the outside world didn't recognize it as his team when Cousy was still playing.

     

     
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    rumor has it he is a big fan of the green stuff
    Posted by jeezem


    That's no rumor.  He got popped for a whole bunch of it.
     
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    Yeah, wasn't that a police raid on the Chief's house.  I heard that the cops found him in a hottub with a young babe.

    Chief remained an effective player well into his late 30's.  He's living proof that good ganja and young sex partners will keep any man young.
     
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    Not as crazy as you think. Pierce is only 1.4 ppg career than Bird ,he could be the all time FT made this coming season. Had we not got jobbed he would have beaten the lakers, twice,which Bird didn't. You could make an argument for any of the 3 Pierce,Bird and Hondo,different eras different styles of offense. Parish wasn't saying who the best player was he was speaking on scoring alone.
     
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    Does anyone remember how down we were on Pierce at times pre- Garnett? Have we been down on him post Garnett? No! The reason is that better players make you look that much better. Bird was surrounded by great players almost his entire career, so we were never down on him, and he never had to carry a team by himself,like Pierce. It's easier to score when you are surrounded by great teammates. I am not saying Pierce would have been as effecient a shooter as Bird, I'm just saying I think Parish and Tommy are taking Pierce's productivity in the face of humongous odds into account. Also, his slashing superiority to Bird. Ball-handling superiority.How often he had to go 1 on 3 compared to Bird.
    Posted by DaCeltics


    Larry carried Indiana State to the NCAA finals in his senior year and dominated his three years there, on a very mediocre team. (see stat table below).

    Larry did not win three consecutive NBA MVP awards for nothing. Offensively, the guy was dominant for that period in a way only one player before then ever was; the Big O. Now on defense, I would say that Paul has become a better one on one defender than Larry ever was, even in his prime. But on offense, Larry did nearly everything better than Paul, and if anybody tracks my posts, will know that I am a huge CPP fan...but the facts are the facts. The one thing Larry could do that has never, ever been seen since is pass the ball like a point guard in a big man's body...oh and drop threes like a shooting guard in a big mans body, oh and drive and dish like a point guard in a big man's body...

    College Records
    Year Team GP FG% FT% RPG PPG
    1976-77 Indiana State 28 54.4 84.0 13.3 32.8
    1977-78 Indiana State 32 52.4 79.3 11.5 30.0
    1978-79 Indiana State 34 53.2 83.1 14.9 28.6
    TOTALS 94 53.3 82.2 13.3 30.3
     
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    Yeah, wasn't that a police raid on the Chief's house.  I heard that the cops found him in a hottub with a young babe. Chief remained an effective player well into his late 30's.  He's living proof that good ganja and young sex partners will keep any man young.
    Posted by paulliu

       What happenned is Chief had somebody mail him 7 ounces of high grade bud from Northern California. I believe it was in the early 90's. The bud got confiscated in route to him during the mail delivery.
        Apparently acquired a taste for Northern California bud when he played for the Warriors. No big deal if you ask me.
     
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