Re: Rondo totally outplays Wall
posted at 1/24/2011 10:15 AM EST
In Response to Re: Rondo totally outplays Wall
C'mon Dudder! For one Wall is a rookie. Name one rookie PG that has led a team to a 33-10 record...name one...besides Magic. Oh I can name one...Rajon Rondo perhaps in 2008. It's just not something you would expect from a rookie. Wall is fragile and has had numerous injuries. He didn't do anything the entire game. He had one layup and one throw-up 3pt shot. That's it! It's easy for you to say they'd be as good but we'll never know because it won't happen. I think you're underestimating Rondo big time.
Posted by BiasLewis
There is not one poster on this board that can bring themselves to acknowledge that it is not Rondo that gets them to 33 and 10 and that it is the other 4. Nobody, I repeat NOBODY plays with as much talent as Rondo.
The mindset here is very simple - the Celtics are the Globetrotters and every night they play the Washington Generals and that it is a show and that the script says the Celtics win.
Then when the Cs have an off night it is invariably something the Celtics did and that it cannot possibly be the fact the other team actually has players and in many cases stars on their roster. So when Pierce has an off night it is somehow Pierce that did something wrong not the fact that Gerald Wallace personally removed Pierce from the game. It is always internal - there are no external forces - except the refs.
Last time the Cs played the Wiz Wall did not play - Cs by 30, this time Wall plays, Cs lose. Wall did nothing?
NOBODY PLAYS WITH AS MUCH TALENT AS RONDO and therefore IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHO WOULD MAKE THE CS AS GOOD IF NOT BETTER WERE THEY SUBSTITUTED FOR RONDO. What is possible to see is that there are any number of other point guards who do not play with anywhere near as much talent and their records are not much worse.
But I am of the opinion that if you have a point guard who can't shoot, avoids shooting, avoids shooting 3s, avoids shooting free throws, who is an automatic double team against one of his teammates, who other teams purposefully game plan away from by sagging in the paint, etc. THEN HE CAN PROBABLY BE REPLACED.
So in my humble opinion someone who is bigger and faster and as good a shooter who tries (not avoids) shooting, tries finishing (not avoids it), goes to the line and makes 80% (not avoids going to the line) probably would not make the Cs worse.
Rondo as a last resort flings the ball toward the rim and occasionally it goes in, the other night there was a goaltending violation on a shot that was obviously not going in. I believe McGee blocked it. Somehow that makes Rondo a finisher / shooter.
You may want to give some thought to what you are picturing "name one rookie that leads his team to 33 and 10"..... rookies can't do that. They are drafted onto the worst teams in the league. Danny was shut out of the draft and made a trade to get Rondo from Phoenix.
Derick Rose has not played on a team that has played a season below 500 and he was the first pick. Rondo was the point guard that lead the Cs to one of the longest losing streaks in team history (18 games) on a team that won 35 games.
I would be stunned to find one GM in the league who would not feel better going forward with Wall instead of Rondo. Rondo in year 5 has done absolutely nothing to improve his game - his game - his game. He has however been blessed with having 3 hall of famers side by side for the last 3 years and when his almost all-star caliber defensive stalwart something or other center went down Danny went out and got him another hall of famer and the guy he replaced on his absolute best day could not carry the jock of who he was replaced by. Oh no what will we ever do without Perk - um... get two guys that, when healthy, are better.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if Rondo went down and Danny somehow swung a deal for Devin Harris the Cs would be any worse off.
Rose is an MVP candidate and has gone basically the entire season without his second and third best players on any given night and they win because of him. When Rondo was out, they still won.
You have a Ferrari - KG is the engine, Pierce is the transmission, and Ray is the suspension. Rondo is the valve stem covers on the rims where the Pirellis reside.
Big game tonight against the rookie without Shaq..... gonna need everything you got... KG has to deal with McGee and Blatche, Ray and Pierce have tough covers, Rajon we really need you to step up. Ok Doc, I will get you 13 points in a loss - I will miss most of my shots and have 5 turnovers and really show this rookie a thing or two.......LMAO. Oh but why would we want him to get more than a dozen points - he is after a pass first point guard (code word for guys that can't shoot / score). Why on earth would we want one of those damn scoring point guards - you know the kind that in a situation where the game is tight and they can actually participate in the offense instead of being relegated to the bench because they can't score or shoot. Oh wait was Rondo on the bench with foul trouble? Must have been something he did and not the fact that he was playing against someone bigger and faster because when push comes to shove..... and the Cs have a bad game.... it is always something internal and something they did because.... the Washington Generals, the nameless faceless guys could not possibly have had anything to do with it.
If it was not the Celtics and the point guard on the losing team, who has been in the league 5 years, ended up in foul trouble and ended up with 13 points playing against a rookie there is not an objective person on the planet who would suggest that Rondo outplayed Wall. 5 year veteran against a rookie - veteran's team loses, veteran scores fewer points than rookie, shoots a lower shooting percents, gets to the line only once and SOMEHOW TOTALLY OUTPLAYS WALL......... If you were watching the Sacramento Kings and Udrih had 13 points against Wall and the Wiz won you would say Udrih s ucks....... gotta go change my depends again......you guys really make me laugh.