Sean Williams the key to reaching the Finals

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    Posted by Red-16Russ-11


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    Seriously Mark, do you believe that the videos that I posted were edited to show false footage? Help me understand why you don't see what the rest of the basketball world saw in that game 7. The phantom calls against Boston, the non-calls against the lakers...it's right there for you. If you were not a basketball fan but into statistics the number of calls made against Boston in that 4th quarter of game 7 don't make sense. You can't deny that this occurred. You obviously love the lakers, that's cool. Perhaps that's clouding your judgement on a robbery that the whole world believes occurred.
     
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    Seriously Mark, do you believe that the videos that I posted were edited to show false footage? Help me understand why you don't see what the rest of the basketball world saw in that game 7. The phantom calls against Boston, the non-calls against the lakers...it's right there for you. If you were not a basketball fan but into statistics the number of calls made against Boston in that 4th quarter of game 7 don't make sense. You can't deny that this occurred. You obviously love the lakers, that's cool. Perhaps that's clouding your judgement on a robbery that the whole world believes occurred.
    Posted by guyfromtex


    A video like that could be made of every NBA game, especially Finals games.

    146 points in games 6 and 7 was inexcusable.
    Not being able to rebound was inexcusable.
    KG getting outrebounded by Kobe 15-3 was inexcusable.
    Ray shooting 3-14 (worse then Kobe) was inexcusable.
    Boston earned and deserved nothing.

    Enjoy.
     
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    If Williams can pick up the Celtics defensive schemes quickly Boston will make it to the finals possibly even win it all. Let's face it Boston creates huge matchup problems for Miami. With the addition of Williams, the Celtics are even better now than when they dominated the Heat twice in 10 days. Miami has a gaping hole in their interior defense. With the addition of Williams the Heat would be forced to shoot from the perimeter. KG dominates Bosh everytime. Bradley can shut down Wade. That leaves James who will be tag-teamed by Pietrus and Pierce. The Bulls are in a downward spiral. Williams matches if not beats out Noah's hustle. KG will dominate Boozer. If Williams can pick up the C's defensive schemes Boston will be gunning for #18. The only teams that I think can challenge Boston in the West are San Antonio and OKC. OKC lacks a killer instinct. Drives me nuts everytime I see Durant doing that foolish dance before games. He's no killer. He is too soft. San Antonio plays just like Boston. Williams gives Boston the edge. SA does not have an interior presence. I hope Williams picks up the C's system...
    Posted by guyfromtex

    You're pinning your hopes on a Nets/Mavs reject who averages 3 pts and 2 rebs per game?  Pathetic.

    Why don't you worry about getting past the Hawks before you start blabbering about the Finals?


     
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    This video is even better. Why there wasn't a Congressional hearing on this game is beyond me. Boston clearly kicked the Lakers *ss in this game. It was obvious that there was something very wrong in how the refs called this game. I still believe that there should be a Congressional investigation. I wonder why the Globe was not more vocal in criticizing this robbery. Perhaps they were threatened in some way by David Stern. That title that the lakers got in 2010 was an absolute sham. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJnXxQlPC48
    Posted by guyfromtex


    So if were not for the refs ,Boston would undefeated every year and have won every finals
     
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    Posted by dirty52


    Not sure where this came from?! We have been talking about game 7 of the 2010 NBA finals, particularly that 4th Quarter....
     
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    In Response to Re: Sean Williams the key to reaching the Finals : A video like that could be made of every NBA game, especially Finals games. 146 points in games 6 and 7 was inexcusable. Not being able to rebound was inexcusable. KG getting outrebounded by Kobe 15-3 was inexcusable. Ray shooting 3-14 (worse then Kobe) was inexcusable. Boston earned and deserved nothing. Enjoy.
    Posted by Mark from Ct


    The stats that you mentioned clearly played a role in the game but despite them Boston only lost by 4 points! Your stating that "A video like that could be made of every NBA game" is finally an acknowledgment that you are aware that there was poor officiating in that game 7. When you compare the number of calls against Boston in the 4th quarter with the calls made in the previous 3 quarters it is apparent that something fishy was going on. The Celtics were clearly robbed.
     
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    In Response to Re: Sean Williams the key to reaching the Finals : The stats that you mentioned clearly played a role in the game but despite them Boston only lost by 4 points! Your stating that "A video like that could be made of every NBA game" is finally an acknowledgment that you are aware that there was poor officiating in that game 7. When you compare the number of calls against Boston in the 4th quarter with the calls made in the previous 3 quarters it is apparent that something fishy was going on. The Celtics were clearly robbed.
    Posted by guyfromtex


    That video ONLY showed supposed bad calls/non-calls that went against the Celtics.

    That was a great series and the best team won. Boston was the better team in 2008.

    In the year between 2008 and 2010, Boston had a 3-2 lead in the playoffs against Orlando and only scored 157 points in games 6 and 7.

    Sorry, Boston deserved to win nothing when they scored 157 then 146 in games 6 and 7 of the playoffs in back to back seasons.  
     
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    In Response to Re: Sean Williams the key to reaching the Finals : wrong The Celtics were without KG in '09 and shot 25 FT's to the Magic's 20 and had 22 fouls to the Magic's 20... it was an evenly called fair game, home team got a couple more FT's, not 20 , and it was a game where an undermanned team with a thin rotation finally bowed out against a deeper more talented team that had more gas stop grasping at straws, the complete difference in the way the game was called 4th quarter to 1st 3 quarters of game 7 in '10 and how it was so terribly slanted in LA's advantage is what won that game by a measly 4 points No, you can't play the 4th quarter of every final elimination game and find similar results, that was the WORST officiating in NBA HISTORY and it gave LA the title sorry this has been PROVEN, you are wrong, enjoy the title you got from injuries and refs as the two main reasons you escaped with a banner... rebounding and a lack of scoring (89 points is ok BTW) are distant 3rd and 4th reasons the Celts lost
    Posted by rameakap


    It's a shame you live in such a fantasy land.

    Rebounding was the MAIN reason why Boston lost game 7 against LA.
    It almost looked like LA was running offensive rebounding drills against the Washington Generals.

    Boston Celtics fans standard protocol: Blame others if Boston loses.
     
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    In Response to Re: Sean Williams the key to reaching the Finals : It's a shame you live in such a fantasy land. Rebounding was the MAIN reason why Boston lost game 7 against LA. It almost looked like LA was running offensive rebounding drills against the Washington Generals. Boston Celtics fans standard protocol: Blame others if Boston loses.
    Posted by Mark from Ct

    I for one do not like crying about referees, conspiracy theories  and such.  

    Football is a little different, one bad call on a fumble or pass interference can change everything.  In basketball that stuff tends to even out.  One can't say the Celtics lost because of the refs without going through the entire playoffs and looking at all the calls that maybe went the Celtics way that allowed them to get there in the first place.

    It also honestly makes us as fans look ridiculous.

     
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    In Response to Re: Sean Williams the key to reaching the Finals : I for one do not like crying about referees, conspiracy theories  and such.   Football is a little different, one bad call on a fumble or pass interference can change everything.  In basketball that stuff tends to even out.  One can't say the Celtics lost because of the refs without going through the entire playoffs and looking at all the calls that maybe went the Celtics way that allowed them to get there in the first place. It also honestly makes us as fans look ridiculous.
    Posted by snakeoil123


    +1
     
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    In Response to Re: Sean Williams the key to reaching the Finals : I for one do not like crying about referees, conspiracy theories  and such.   Football is a little different, one bad call on a fumble or pass interference can change everything.  In basketball that stuff tends to even out.  One can't say the Celtics lost because of the refs without going through the entire playoffs and looking at all the calls that maybe went the Celtics way that allowed them to get there in the first place. It also honestly makes us as fans look ridiculous.
    Posted by snakeoil123


    Very true.
     
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    In Response to Re: Sean Williams the key to reaching the Finals : I for one do not like crying about referees, conspiracy theories  and such.   Football is a little different, one bad call on a fumble or pass interference can change everything.  In basketball that stuff tends to even out.  One can't say the Celtics lost because of the refs without going through the entire playoffs and looking at all the calls that maybe went the Celtics way that allowed them to get there in the first place. It also honestly makes us as fans look ridiculous.
    Posted by snakeoil123



    As someone who is a current HS coach, and a former HS ref, I agree for the most part with this.  Teams need to do win - the refs don't win the games or lose the games.  However, I disagree that in basketball they cannot affect the outcome of games.
    Basketball is a game of momentum - you may notice that once a call is made, and the crowd gets into it, another, similar call is made.  Refs get caught up in the heat of the moment, just like fans. Unlike football or baseball, ANY ref can make ANY call in basketball...........and believe me, these guys have egos!!  When I was officiating on a regular basis, I knew some COLLEGE refs who were intolerable to be around!!  That having been said, I maintain that if Game 7 in 2010 were in BOS, we would have Banner 18!!  The reason - there will ALWAYS be at least one momentum shifting call in favor of the Home Team.  Now - MOST of the time, it's the right call............but once the crowd gets into it, the refs get into it, too.  It's the responsibility of the visiting team to silence the momentum.  We didn't do that, and kept missing shots.  They took it to the hole, and got every call (MOST of which were fouls, some were not).  If we were at home, with our crowd, we would have gotten at least ONE call to silence the momentum.  The rest would have been up to us!!  We let the lakers (and the refs) swing the momentum in Game 7 in 2010.  We have no one to blame but ourselves..............the lakers won 4 times, we won 3 - they were better that year, end of story  (we should have won Game 3 at home - series over!!).  Which is why I always say we should try to get HCA in every series, because you don't want it to come down to this - advantage Home team - every time!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Sean Williams the key to reaching the Finals : I for one do not like crying about referees, conspiracy theories  and such.   Football is a little different, one bad call on a fumble or pass interference can change everything.  In basketball that stuff tends to even out.  One can't say the Celtics lost because of the refs without going through the entire playoffs and looking at all the calls that maybe went the Celtics way that allowed them to get there in the first place. It also honestly makes us as fans look ridiculous.
    Posted by snakeoil123


    You are a breath of fresh air, my friend...
     
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    We have to keep lookin forward, not backward...as a true Celtic fan, I remember that game that Magic won in boston..gut wrenching. But I stood up and shook my brother in laws hand,(laker fan), and told him, congratualtions...they won, fair and square.
     "Now, im driving to LA, and im going to run over Magic with my new car."...
     
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    Nobody here agrees with Rame.
    So much for his FACTS...
     
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    Not totally in this case - it was a terribly officiated game - but I agree with him more than you - how pathetic to try to keep your lame "Who'll be ready sooner" post in the front of the forum by adding a blank post - truly sad!!
     
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    FACT = DELUSION, PARANOIA

    No rebounds, no rings.

    Another easy win in my column.
    Check.

     
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    The Celtics were a poor rebounding team all year, it did not prohibit them from making a run at a title, compounding that was the issue of being without their starting center, it was assumed that they would be severly outrebounded in the series/game 7. Yet they game planned brilliantly around that and for 3 quarters, despite being constantly outworked on the boards, were playing their game and completely dominating LA and the crowd. Then the game was called 100% differently in the 4th, and the calls were blatently blown or phantom ones made to bail-out LA and give them the title... the video shows this is 100% true. It was the worst officiating ever. so it does not matter what calls may have helped the Celtics leading up to making it to a game 7, the same ones would have helped LA throught the playoffs, in fact Boston had to so severly outplay LeBron James Cavs b/c if the games had been close the refs were going to send LeBron to the line over and over, thankfully we got by that obstacle b/c we were better. We were not the better team than LA, we were hurt and playing with guts and guile, which is why it was a shame that the title had to be stolen from a great underdog story by officiating. Yes you can say they lost b/c they couldn't rebound, but that was a given going into the game/series and the Celts were still in position to win w/o the biggest hose job EVER by officials. So that and our injuries were far and away the bigger reasons LA got the banner. not rebounding. FACTS.
    Posted by rameakap

    agreed
     
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    Not totally in this case - it was a terribly officiated game - but I agree with him more than you - how pathetic to try to keep your lame "Who'll be ready sooner" post in the front of the forum by adding a blank post - truly sad!!
    Posted by Red-16Russ-11


    That's funny as H**l!! I didn't see it nor care to, but adding a blank post to keep it front of the forum is pathetic!
     
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    In Response to Re: Sean Williams the key to reaching the Finals : yes if artest didn't take the red hot ray allen out of the rest of the series in game 3 with a dirty knee that left Ray with a bruise so bad he lost almost all his lift the series would never have made it back to LA and I guess you forgot the Perk injury, when your starting center is obviously lost for the rest of the season minutes into game 6 it is hard to recover and form on new game plan on the fly Despite Ray and Kev dragging bad legs around and Perk being done the Celts played with enough hearts and smarts to be ahead by 10+ and executing a brilliant game plan, despite the rebounding woe's, until the refs took the game out of the players hands after 'letting them play' for 3 quarters and gave the title to LA for reasons I'll never understand... and ugh what awful fans Hollywood has, sitting on their hands for 3 quarters just cuz their team was down like 8-15, I was at game 6 in '08 smoking cigars, Boston fans stand and cheer the entire time. We don't need the refs to get us back into it. And we close games at home in 6 by 39... not gift-wrapped black-eyes to the sport that you eke out in game 7 whatever Gina, enjoy the title, obv it won't be taken away, but I'm only speaking the truth, the Celts almost overcame incredible odds to win the championship that year and were robbed of it not b/c of rebounding or a 6-24 MVP, but b/c of injuries and the worst 12 minutes of officiating in the HISTORY of the game FACT
    Posted by rameakap


    I agree with you above:

    All I really wanted from any of the Laker fans/Trolls is for just one of them to have said "WOW, we were lucky to have won game 7”. I live in SF & I was equally furious that when Giants beat 49ers---idiot has ball nick his knee resulting in fumble & field goal to tie & same idiot fumbles in OT for a field goal to win it.  Most stats had 49ers clearly ahead and Manning was pressured all day. Not one Giant fan said they were lucky to win that game.  Unfortunately, my Pats did not get revenge for themselves for previous loss in SB and for me for the 49ers.


    Let me say that the " Tainted Title”  is not the fault of the Laker Team and the Laker Fans.  The Refs and their incompetence are solely at fault for the title being tainted re: the disparity in fouls, phantom fouls(Allen on Kobe’s 3 pointer that resulted in 3 pts gift foul shots---didn't have Tony Allen on him resulting in 6/24 from the field he whoopie makes 100% ), non call fouls, non call traveling( Gasol making a dunk by taking steps that could have qualified him for Dancing with the Stars) & these were in the last critical minutes of the game and that it was the Refs & not the Laker superior team that beat us. And you are correct about Artest's knee on Allen. Ray in that game 3 broke MJ's record(6) for 3s in a half with 7/8 & then got another in 2nd half. Didn't have a game close to that after & I'm sure he was hurt.

    If I were a Laker fan, I would have been pleased but would have acknowledged that it was strongly accomplished by help from the refs. In fact, I wouldn't have been pleased they did it as I would have preferred the game judged fairly so that the losing team could confirm wholeheartedly they were beaten by a better team as we did in Game 6 in 2008 by 39 points and as the Lakers did to us in Game 6 of this series(had this been game 7, I believe most Boston fans would have accepted that the team was beaten by a better team)  but what a horrific example of poor refereeing  in a vital game 7 ! I am not one who ever said there was a conspiracy, fix etc.  Face it, if the refs bet on the game, they still did not allow the Lakers to beat the 7 1/2 pt Vegas spread. It  was the unhappiest $100.00 I ever won as they won by only 4.  The game was, unquestionably, decided by, if not crooked refs, incompetent ones and in an important game 7 and some acknowledgement from the league or Laker fans regarding this might ease the wounds of some Celtic fans and put this issue, at least, to rest.  Not only did the Celtics get cheated but the Laker fans & all NBA fans as well.  How can the Lakers be proud of a team that shot 32%(we shot 40%), their guy who walks on water shot 6-24 (25%) and they shot 25-37(68%) foul shots & we 15-17(88%) and with their extra 10 points they needed 20 fouls shots or 50% to do it-pretty pathetic for a championship team-seems our defense was pretty good too at the foul line ! They got 21 foul shots in the 4th qtr and we got 17 for the game !!!

     It really would have been interesting to have read the LA Sports writers comments on Kobe's 25% and the team's 32% had they lost !!! He’d been called a Goat !!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Sean Williams the key to reaching the Finals : I agree with you above: All I really wanted from any of the Laker fans/Trolls is for just one of them to have said "WOW, we were lucky to have won game 7”. I live in SF & I was equally furious that when Giants beat 49ers---idiot has ball nick his knee resulting in fumble & field goal to tie & same idiot fumbles in OT for a field goal to win it.  Most stats had 49ers clearly ahead and Manning was pressured all day. Not one Giant fan said they were lucky to win that game.  Unfortunately, my Pats did not get revenge for themselves for previous loss in SB and for me for the 49ers. Let me say that the " Tainted Title”  is not the fault of the Laker Team and the Laker Fans.  The Refs and their incompetence are solely at fault for the title being tainted re: the disparity in fouls, phantom fouls(Allen on Kobe’s 3 pointer than resulted in 4pts) , non call fouls, non call traveling( Gasol making a dunk by taking steps that could have qualified him for Dancing with the Stars) & these were in the last critical minutes of the game and that it was the Refs & not the Laker superior team that beat us. And you are correct about Artest's knee on Allen. Ray in that game 3 broke MJ's record(6) for 3s in a half with 7/8 & than got another in 2nd half. Didn't have a game close to that after & I'm sure he was hurt. If I were a Laker fan, I would have been pleased but would have acknowledged that it was strongly accomplished by help from the refs. In fact, I wouldn't have been pleased they did it as I would have preferred the game judged fairly so that the losing team could confirm wholeheartedly they were beaten by a better team as we did in Game 6 in 2008 by 39 points and as the Lakers did to us in Game 6 of this series(had this been game 7, I believe most Boston fans would have accepted that the team was beaten by a better team)  but what a horrific example of poor refereeing  in a vital game 7 ! I am not one who ever said there was a conspiracy, fix etc.  Face it, if the refs bet on the game, they still did not allow the Lakers to beat the 7 1/2 pt Vegas spread. It  was the unhappiest $100.00 I ever won as they won by only 4.  The game was, unquestionably, decided by, if not crooked refs, incompetent ones and in an important game 7 and some acknowledgement from the league or Laker fans regarding this might ease the wounds of some Celtic fans and put this issue, at least, to rest.  Not only did the Celtics get cheated but the Laker fans & all NBA fans as well.  How can the Lakers be proud of a team that shot 32%(we shot 40%), their guy who walks on water shot 6-24 (25%) and they shot 25-37(68%) foul shots & we 15-17(88%) and with their extra 10 points they needed 20 fouls shots or 50% to do it-pretty pathetic for a championship team-seems our defense was pretty good too at the foul line !  It really would have been interesting to have read the LA Sports writers comments on Kobe's 25% and the team's 32% had they lost !!! He’d been called a Goat !!!
    Posted by mandobello


    If it is any consolation to you, I know someone who attended the game.  He said when the game was over, there was a collective sigh in the Staples Center.  He said the general reaction of those around him was not "Oh my God, we won", it was more (himself included) "I can't believe we didn't lose."
     
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    Re: Sean Williams the key to reaching the Finals

    Is this a serious post? If so, i must be from some- and i know I am being redundant- demented BC fanatic.   

    If you are relying on a guy most of the NBA does not want then you have real problems. Could he be useful- yes- maybe. a big body to fill in and maybe contribute something or at least not do anything bad. Odds are he will barely play. I would much, much, much rather have a healthy Stiemsma than this under achiever. 

     
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