Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago.

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    In Response to Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago. :              You're living in a dream world. You act as though basketball and athletics are a cookie cutter situation where player A is going to give you A,B, and C every night and player B is going to give you D, E, and F every night. Shaq is a year older. Jermaine is a year older. Garnett is a year older. Pierce is a year older. Ray Allen. None of these players is in his prime anymore. None of them......not even Pierce. You have no idea what you're gonna get. They are also much more prone to injury. You act as though you can simply say "this guy is going to do this" and "that guy is going to do that" when you don't know what they are going to do.
    Posted by walton

    If Shaq comes in shape and ready to play he can contribute in a way few can. He will be limited to very few minutes and any nagging injuries will of course hurt his effectiveness. He fills the role of trying to win now with the best available players leaving the roster in the near future ripe for starting over.
     
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    Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago.

    How many Actual centers outscored Shaq and how many played for the vet min?

    PA
     
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    rameakap, very good post.  Those numbers look very similar and I bet that we can get excellent results from Shaq.  We got this guy for $1.4 million.

    walton has lost his mind.  He says Cleveland was much better when Shaq was not playing.  They won 61 games last season.  How irrelevant a statement is that to describe the Cavs "when Shaq was not on the floor"?  So is that to suggest had they not had Shaq, they would have won 70 games?  So Shaq played and they won 61 games.  I WILL TAKE THAT ANY DAY!

    I'd go so far to suggest they started falling apart with the signing of Antwan Jamison which kept J.J. Hickson on the bench.

    Shaq has enough in the tank to give the Celtics what we need from him.  Shaq playing fewer minutes and being relied on less than usual will make him that much more effective.
     
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    How many Actual centers outscored Shaq and how many played for the vet min? PA
    Posted by PACelt


    People don't realize vet minimum still millions....you probably gonna work until you die and still not smelling million.

    The question is not how many player outscored him or his paycheck but how he will be able to synch to the Celtics system. Through out his life playing basketball, he was a dominant player. Most of the team strategy and play are patterned to his games.
    Will he adjust? Will his demeanor get along? Will he takes a backseat? Will he
    pick a towel and does ML Carr for the Celtics?

    Ask the bum Sheed, ask him what he did in the Celtics...he took the money and run. Hopefuly Shaq will not take the" min vet" and run.

     
     
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    With the Celtics he will only play a supporting role. If Shaq had to start and be the 1st or 2nd option on offense then the Celtics are going to end up like Phoenix and Cleveland. With the Celtics Shaq will only be a role player. 
    Posted by Fierce34

    Shaq a role player? LOL. That'll last about a week before he starts b*tching for the ball.The man has too big an ego and too big a behind to be of any good other than to bottom dwellers.
     
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    Shaq is not the Shaq of the LA Lakers, but in general, He should help on defense against the Lakers, the Magic and the Heat. Bynum and Gasol were afraid of him in games last year. He does a fair job on Howard, and Z is even slower that Shaq.

    For quicker centers, KG, and or the other Oneal can do a fair job against almost everyone else.

    KG should help Shaq on pick an role defense.

    On offense, he still creates double teams, a great thing when the Celtics have an all star starting five.

    The defense will not be the same as last year against most teams, however, as always, the Celtics are built for the play-offs.


    As far as Cleveland is concerned, since Lebron was the centerpiece of their offense, and driving to the basket was a main staple, He would clog the lane and allow defenses to pack the paint. With Phoenix, a fast break team, it was also a bad fit.

    In Boston, Rondo is our one man fast break and other more agile players will run with him. In half court sets, Shaq fits in much better with the Celtics than the previous two teams because of the pick your poison half court team oriented offense. 

    In general I like the addition. I just hope the chemistry is still there.
     
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    OK Che and everyone else.  Who's better?  Who could we have gotten that would be better?

    You all avoid the question.  Criticize all you want, but answer the question.

    For the vet min, who would you put on the floor instead of Shaq???

    PA
     
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    Walton who posted this reminds me of one of those constant complainers who have nothing to offer to a conversation than their own stupidity and to shoot down others ideas.  Everyone has one of those people who they work with.
     
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    OK Che and everyone else.  Who's better?  Who could we have gotten that would be better? You all avoid the question.  Criticize all you want, but answer the question. For the vet min, who would you put on the floor instead of Shaq??? PA
    Posted by PACelt


    I'm not criticizing the Shaq signing but questioning how this guy will fair to the team.
    You have to look for some flaws: as I said, most of the teams he played for adjusted the play for him. Ask yourself, will we maintain our system and let him adjust to us?
    Adjust to us means everything!!
    Not only the role we ask him to execute but also his demeanor. I can see no problem on the other Oneal but this Oneal played an alpha man through out his career. Try to change it overnight and you have problem.

    Now, if his motivation is to pissed the big brat three (Kobe-Wade_Lebron),
      then I might go along if he contribute all the way to 82 games.
    None of these bum Sheed act.

    ......and I don't want to hear, he only got vet minimum---that's bvllzhyte.
     
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    Che,  you need to be a little more optimistic.  Pessimists look for flaws, while optimists look for positives.  If you are so pessimistic, then the Celtics won't go anywhere regardless who we get.
     
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    In Response to Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago.:You can say that about every team or player, correct?  So what makes this signing different?

    In Response to Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago. :              You're living in a dream world. You act as though basketball and athletics are a cookie cutter situation where player A is going to give you A,B, and C every night and player B is going to give you D, E, and F every night. Shaq is a year older. Jermaine is a year older. Garnett is a year older. Pierce is a year older. Ray Allen. None of these players is in his prime anymore. None of them......not even Pierce. You have no idea what you're gonna get. They are also much more prone to injury. You act as though you can simply say "this guy is going to do this" and "that guy is going to do that" when you don't know what they are going to do.
    Posted by walton

     
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    Whats done is done.  Why try to analyze moves and how you think they will pan out, just let it play out.  The season is a ways away.    I would agree with you more if you spent more time crying about why Marquis Daniels was resigned for basically the same amount as a future hall of famer in Shaq yet did absolutely nothing for us and even got a bizarre concussion in the playoffs?

     
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    Walton got OWNED in this thread
    Posted by rameakap



    I'm sure you think the same way when we were playing the Cavs last year huh?

    ....added to that, do you think Kobe, Lebron & Wade think the same way as Walton?
    I think so. Shaq passed and the 3 brats will not respect his presence in the Celtics.

    In my opinion? he still has some gas left but not much....I will go along with the 3 brats.
     
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    I thought Shaq was a bad fit for Cleveland last year because driving to the basket was a very big part of Lebron's game. Shaq would allow defenses to clog the paint against Lebron.  With Perk on the floor, the paint also got clogged because no one respects his jump shot. The difference is that Shaq is much more effective on offense near the basket than Perk. So now, when KG gets double teamed near the paint, and a second big comes to defend, Shaq will get more dunks. The reverse may also be true if Shaq gets stopped. The Cs usually drive to the hoop on fast breaks by Rondo, and sometimes in the half court. The Cs are not as dependent on basket drives as the Cavs were last year. Instead the have a pick your poison team oriented passing offense. If there still is a perfect fit for Shaq in the NBA today it could be the Celtics. On defense, Shaq will need help against the pick and roll and he probably won't play much against quicker smaller centers. However, since we will not run into such players deep in the play-offs, Shaq's limitations will be minimized.

    A player's context in regard to team style, focus, and the complimentary abilities of other players have as much to do with a player's success as individual ability.
    Basketball is still a team sport, no matter what the sports writers say to sell stories. The goal is to win, not set scoring titles, or some other individual goal.
    I think Shaq will help the Celtics win.
     
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    OK Che and everyone else.  Who's better?  Who could we have gotten that would be better? You all avoid the question.  Criticize all you want, but answer the question. For the vet min, who would you put on the floor instead of Shaq??? PA
    Posted by PACelt


    PACelt is absolutely right on here.... who would you get as a center at the vet min that would be better.... the answer is NOONE !!!!!!  Stop with all the b i tching and be happy we got a huge presence as center who can do more than most starting centers........wake up people.
     
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    Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago.

    In Response to Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago.:
    In Response to Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago. : I'm sure you think the same way when we were playing the Cavs last year huh? ....added to that, do you think Kobe, Lebron & Wade think the same way as Walton? I think so. Shaq passed and the 3 brats will not respect his presence in the Celtics. In my opinion? he still has some gas left but not much....I will go along with the 3 brats.
    Posted by CHEisCHE


    Ok if not Shag then who??  Kwame Brown?  that is laughable... rather than complain how about naming who you would get at center for the vet min?
     
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    alton has lost his mind.  He says Cleveland was much better when Shaq was not playing.  They won 61 games last season.  How irrelevant a statement is that to describe the Cavs "when Shaq was not on the floor"?  So is that to suggest had they not had Shaq, they would have won 70 games?  So Shaq played and they won 61 games.  I WILL TAKE THAT ANY DAY!
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    Just wanted to respond to this one section. The cavs. Won 66 games the year beofre with no Shaq.
     
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    "this Oneal played an alpha man through out his career. Try to change it overnight and you have problem."

    Umm, well, actually, Shaq has had a few years to adjust and in Cleveland he understood his role pretty well. So, "overnight" is not the best way to describe the transition, whatever you think of him. 

    "n my opinion? he still has some gas left but not much....I will go along with the 3 brats"

    "some gas" - like, say, 20 minutes a game, which is about what we will need from him? As for the three brats, do you think any of those guys can stop Shaq when he has the ball in front of the basket? You do realize that the Heat have no big guy inside and that this is their biggest weakness as a team right? So maybe it makes sense for other teams competing against them to stock up on big centers if they can? And maybe Shaq was BY FAR the biggest center left in the market? To beat an opponent, you go after their weak spot, and center is the Heat's biggest weak spot. Plus we need to match up well against the Magic. 

    It seems to me like with your enthusiasm for the Heat, despite the fact that they have not played one game together, you should just give up being a Celts fan and get your Heat jersey and be a front runner. 

     
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    Alot of people are making the point that Shaq will not be needed to play starter minutes, and they he should help us in a limited role. my answer to that is maybe, if he buys in.

    We are talking about a guy, who is accustomed to being a star not a reserve. In cleveland he complained about only getting 23 minutes a game. What happens if he plays less here? Will he become a problem in the locker room? What happens when Perk gets back, does he or JON become the third string center? If you play JON at Power forward is big baby, the 3rd stringer? Will everyone accept that?

    Aso, I know there are alot of people who are not perk, fans but the guy is regarded as one of the best pick and roll defenders inthe game. Shaq is one of the worst.  I hope he buys in, but buyin in may be a huge slice of humble pie for a guy who refers to himself as the "most dominant ever," and sings songs about being the greatest.
     
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    Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago.

    "this Oneal played an alpha man through out his career. Try to change it overnight and you have problem."

    Umm, well, actually, Shaq has had a few years to adjust and in Cleveland he understood his role pretty well. So, "overnight" is not the best way to describe the transition, whatever you think of him. 

    "n my opinion? he still has some gas left but not much....I will go along with the 3 brats"

    "some gas" - like, say, 20 minutes a game, which is about what we will need from him? As for the three brats, do you think any of those guys can stop Shaq when he has the ball in front of the basket? You do realize that the Heat have no big guy inside and that this is their biggest weakness as a team right? So maybe it makes sense for other teams competing against them to stock up on big centers if they can? And maybe Shaq was BY FAR the biggest center left in the market? To beat an opponent, you go after their weak spot, and center is the Heat's biggest weak spot. Plus we need to match up well against the Magic. 

    It seems to me like with your enthusiasm for the Heat, despite the fact that they have not played one game together, you should just give up being a Celts fan and get your Heat jersey and be a front runner. "
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    I hope you are right, but I don't think so. Shaq wasn't the Alpha dog in cleveland, but he did complain about playing time and some think he turned the cavs against their coach. In Phoneix Steve Nash said he would not resign with the Suns if they brought Shaq back.

    I agree no one is stopping shaq with the ball around the basket, but the question is can he stop anyone else? People like Bosh, who will have the speed and youth can easily beat Shaq up the court and That tranlates to easy buckets.

    In Clevland the cavs won 66 games without Shaq, they 62 with him. They scored more points with him on he bench because he slowed up their offense. Again, I hope you are right, but I really don't think this is going to work. Shaq gets mad that Dwight Howard calls himself Superman. Do you honetly think a guy who has enough ego to be upset over that, is going to be happy backing up perk (when he gets back) and maybe JON? I mean the guy's self image is the man of steele not grampa on the pine.

    Kwame Brown, may not have had the talent Shaq does even now, or the desire, or the heart, but he would have accpeted his role. If he became the 2011 Sheldon Williams, then so be it. For Shaq I don't think he can accept that.


     
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    Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago.

    Simply put it would be worth it if we got a big that can average 10pts. and 5rebs. while playing @ 20min. per game. While his pick and roll D isn't good; his ability to command a defender or two at all times will off set it.  His low post game and good hands should help on the offensive end and counter his inability to run the court.  He is a more than an adequate passer to start the break.

    All in all, it's a great deal for us.

    PA
     
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    Re: Shaq stinks. He was all done a couple years ago.

    with shaq you're getting a [b]third big[/b] who averaged 12ppg 5rebounds last year in 20minutes, and 17ppg the year before....all for the vet minimum..I dont really see a negative here..

    is a sheldon williams or kwame brown going to provide that kind of presence in the post?

     
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