Shaq vs. Perk

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Shaq vs. Perk : Apparently you missed my two essays where I said Perk was better than Shaq and used FACTS and chose instead to harp on my tounge in cheek comment Shaq has been exactly what this team needs in wake of an injury, he is 85% of Perk's effectiveness. Perk is in the 7-11 range for strating centers I would want (if healthy and doign what he did for the 1st 2/3 of last season) and gets slammed far too much here. when it is DUDDER, shamefully wrong and moronic for years, who cares, but when posters I respect attack Perk it is annoying.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    Wow..... posters love to put Perk on some sort of pedestal and wax poetic about how great he is and how he is great against Howard, etc.

    Perk is on his absolute best day a journeyman center with absolutely no offensive game, a turnover waiting to happen.  Think Eric Dampier without the ability to pass, shoot, make foul shots, and jump......

    When he got hurt people went on and on about OMG what will the Cs do now - um, go get two centers off the scrap heap that when healthy are leaps and bounds better than Perk......

    People love to say "he is great for this team" - that is a qualifier - as in he benefits more from whom he plays with more than just about any other player in the league other than his starting point guard......  the Cs would somehow be worse with Hibbert, Noah, either Lopez, Howard, Horford, either Gasol, Jason Thomspon, Spencer Hawes, Kaman, and so on and so forth........

    Defense is very very very important but if you give up a little defense but your offense gets a lot better somehow that is a bad thing.  Oh and maybe by playing with KG and for Doc their defense would get better without giving up any offense.

    I believe that Bynum at about 50% in game one last year had 21 points, 14 rebounds, and 7 blocks - has Perk ever had a game like that at 100%?

    Perk will go down as one of the top 5000 centers that have ever played the game.  Every single year there is at least one Perk drafted.  I would not hesitate for a half a heart beat if Larry Bird went to Danny and said give me Perk for Hibbert.  Of course most of the fans viewing the Cs through kelly green glasses would say I am on heroin but anyone with less than a third of a brain and at the same time a basketball fan would gladly have Hibbert, Noah, either Lopez, and any number of other centers instead of Perk.

    I love when people put qualifiers on players so that it somehow justifies their position - when Perk came into the league it went something like this - Perk is one of the best young centers who have absolutely no offensive skills really bad footwork terrible hands terrible footwork turnover waiting to happen came right out of high school if he had gone to college he would only be a 4th year medical student who can't make foul shots who thinks he is Kareem / Hakeem....if you apply all of those qualifiers to the rest of the league - you arrive with a very limited pool that includes Perk...... give me either of the two guys that start in the Wiz frontcourt and I will be happy -  so when you strip out the qualifiers and actually compare him to his peers, he is in his 8th year (a year in which he likely will not play very much) and he is marginally better today than he was when he arrived in Boston and his improvement has come largely as a result of #5, take #5 away and you see that he basically has no skills - if he was 5 feet 9 instead of 6 feet 9 he would be your typical unemployable illiterate....  Give Doc a year with Blatche, McGee, Jason Thompson, Hawes, and any number of other young front court players and guess what......  you say......  Perk who?
     
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    Dudder, is this the same Perk you said would be "flipping burgers" in a couple of years?  Of course you were wrong. Why is it that many so called experts say he is one of the best defensive centers in the league?  I guess again that you are so much smarter than the people that do this for a living.  Yes he is not great offensively but neither was Rodman..  Perk does was he does well for us.  He fills a gap.  BTW,  nice cut and paste post again.
     
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    I think of Perk as a defensive specialist... that's it.  He plays solid D on anyone (including Shaq) in the paint.  All the criticism of his offense is completely valid.  Shaq is better in almost every area but Shaq just can't handle the minutes.  They'll have to be compliment each other when Perk returns.

     
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    You guys will regret if Perk comes back & take a way a  big chunk of Shaq minutes.
    If its not broken don't fix it. We are winning with Shaq - Baby and Semih.

    Perk was broken a long long time ago. He ain't coming back.
    As I said, trade him with ODEN, see if we can pull a magic with Portland.
    Their sick dude exchange with our sick dude.

    We roll the dice. Nothing to lose.Money mouth
     
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    odens legs are different lengths, no thanks. this guy will be lucky to come back and play 40 games a season. i rather perk.
     
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    In order to win the championship we need Shaq and one of either Perk or Jermaine at at least 80%. It's still possible that we get it done without them but the reason we're struggling at times is because our bench lacks beef in the paint. Hopefully, Delonte and O'Neil come back for good, then our bench can go Nate and DWest at the 1/2, Marquis at the 3, Baby at the four and Shaq/JO/Perk/Semih at the five depending on the matchup (i.e. if we're playing Orlando start Perk for his D and then use Shaq's offense as a catalyst for our bench. Maybe sometime we can throw in Von Wafer if our bench isn't scoring. Bradley could be useful for when we start getting torched by the Ty Lawsons of the world. We've got a great team and everyone has a part to play.
     
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    Nothing worg with a defenseive center to back stop your second unit
     
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    [QUOTE]Thank goodness for Shaq this season. The numbers he's putting up, Perk can't even come close to. Perk's biggest problem is combination of limited skills and lack of consistent mental focus; he just doesn't have it. His basketball IQ is exetremely low vs. Shaq's. This was an outstanding pickup by Danny. While I know it's early yet, we haven't had the luxury of a center producing like this in a very long time. I also like Semih's potential......he could be another great addition to the roster, just needs some playing time, and continued mentoring from the likes of Shaq and KG. Perk, I hope you're taking notice. We can't afford any disappearing acts this year; either produce with impressive and expected numbers, or sit on the pine. There's no reason Perk shouldn't be gathering over 10 boards a game; simply a lack of mental focus. Again, I hope you're taking notice.   
    Posted by hondosack[/QUOTE]

    Shaq is a rich man's Perkins.

    Better rebounding, better enforcer presence, better clout and fear factor with the refs, better post moves, no pick-and-roll defense (but who's noticed that so far this year? exactly)
     
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    Shaq > Perk yes but whoever said JO was better than Perk wow... If Perk was able to play in game 7 and we lost because of him then I could see downing him.. but I have no doubt we would have won with him in the game.. that being said I'll wait until Christmas to see if Shaq can hold D. Howard because i havent seen anyone shut him down like Perk and the road to the finals will go through Orlando ...
     
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    [QUOTE]Compare Celts 1st 20 games last year to there 1st 20 games this year before we get carried away. Shaq has: 6+ rebounds in 10 games 9+ rebounds in 3 games Perk had: 6+ rebounds in 16 games 9+ rebounds in 6 games Shaq has: 9+ points in 10 games 13+ points in 6 games 18+ points in 2 games Perk had: 9+ points in 18 games 13+ points in 8 games  18+ points in 2 games Perkins had 11 games with 2 or more blocks , including 3 games with 4 blocks, Shaq has had 2 games with 2 blocks, none with 3. Perkins only played 4 mins more per game than Shaq. The Celtics had the same 16-4 record... only KG was nowhere near what he is now, and Rondo was a 9 assist guy, not 14. So for now, we may love Shaq, but Perkins was superior a year ago to open the season. We know he guards Howard great. He just faded towards the end of the year as the team went .500 and was hurt in the finals and that will make him less than 100% this entire season.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    Shaq can be the reason why Rondo is a 14 assist guy this year instead of a 9 assist guy like last year...Like i said a million times, whoever doc starts is fine, lets just pray we have them both at play-off time
     
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    [QUOTE]Shaq /> Perk yes but whoever said JO was better than Perk wow... If Perk was able to play in game 7 and we lost because of him then I could see downing him.. but I have no doubt we would have won with him in the game.. that being said I'll wait until Christmas to see if Shaq can hold D. Howard because i havent seen anyone shut him down like Perk and the road to the finals will go through Orlando ...
    Posted by KGLove[/QUOTE]

    We needed all our bigs to shut down Howard...It wasnt just Perk last year, Wallace played him straight up and so did big baby...they key is to have 2 to 3 guys play him straight up all night!!!
     
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    KGLove, the road to the Champioship will go through BOSTON.  If Orlando wants it, they will have to come wrestle it away, IN BOSTON!!!!!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Shaq vs. Perk : Wow..... posters love to put Perk on some sort of pedestal and wax poetic about how great he is and how he is great against Howard, etc. Perk is on his absolute best day a journeyman center with absolutely no offensive game, a turnover waiting to happen.  Think Eric Dampier without the ability to pass, shoot, make foul shots, and jump...... When he got hurt people went on and on about OMG what will the Cs do now - um, go get two centers off the scrap heap that when healthy are leaps and bounds better than Perk...... People love to say "he is great for this team" - that is a qualifier - as in he benefits more from whom he plays with more than just about any other player in the league other than his starting point guard......  the Cs would somehow be worse with Hibbert, Noah, either Lopez, Howard, Horford, either Gasol, Jason Thomspon, Spencer Hawes, Kaman, and so on and so forth........ Defense is very very very important but if you give up a little defense but your offense gets a lot better somehow that is a bad thing.  Oh and maybe by playing with KG and for Doc their defense would get better without giving up any offense. I believe that Bynum at about 50% in game one last year had 21 points, 14 rebounds, and 7 blocks - has Perk ever had a game like that at 100%? Perk will go down as one of the top 5000 centers that have ever played the game.  Every single year there is at least one Perk drafted.  I would not hesitate for a half a heart beat if Larry Bird went to Danny and said give me Perk for Hibbert.  Of course most of the fans viewing the Cs through kelly green glasses would say I am on heroin but anyone with less than a third of a brain and at the same time a basketball fan would gladly have Hibbert, Noah, either Lopez, and any number of other centers instead of Perk. I love when people put qualifiers on players so that it somehow justifies their position - when Perk came into the league it went something like this - Perk is one of the best young centers who have absolutely no offensive skills really bad footwork terrible hands terrible footwork turnover waiting to happen came right out of high school if he had gone to college he would only be a 4th year medical student who can't make foul shots who thinks he is Kareem / Hakeem....if you apply all of those qualifiers to the rest of the league - you arrive with a very limited pool that includes Perk...... give me either of the two guys that start in the Wiz frontcourt and I will be happy -  so when you strip out the qualifiers and actually compare him to his peers, he is in his 8th year (a year in which he likely will not play very much) and he is marginally better today than he was when he arrived in Boston and his improvement has come largely as a result of #5, take #5 away and you see that he basically has no skills - if he was 5 feet 9 instead of 6 feet 9 he would be your typical unemployable illiterate....  Give Doc a year with Blatche, McGee, Jason Thompson, Hawes, and any number of other young front court players and guess what......  you say......  Perk who?
    Posted by TheDUDDER[/QUOTE]

    It is my stat parade of FACT vs. your blown prediction of Perk out of the league a few years back

    You are wrong, no credibility and as always, it is proven so
     
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    For the life of me, I cannot figure out why people get on Perk for who he is and what he does.  He is not Dwight Howard or Shaq in his heyday.  He is a role player who plays system/help/man defense, rebounds, blocks shots and generally gives guys something to think about when they take the ball to the hole.  Why do people insist on compsring him to other players whose game he has no shot of emulating given his somewhat limited skill set?

    Make it easy on yourselves, accept Perk for what he is, which is a 2nd tier center with a limited offensive game and who is a pretty good defensive presence, no more, no less. 

    As it relates to his return from injury, it's clear that Shaq gives the C's a dimension they haven't had at the 5.  He knows what to do when Rondo gets him the ball.  If Shaq, Perk and Semih are healthy, then they have some pretty good depth regardless of whether JON can contribute anything. 
     
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    Shaq has single-handedly upped the 'Fun' Quotient of the City of Boston 50%.
     
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    interesting point that Shaq makes Rondo's assists go up.  i'm not sure that Rondo isn't just getting better every year though.  forget Shaq, what about that Erden guy - he's the one putting in the minutes and grinding out wins, man - I never thought that guy would get off the bench.  Danny pulled a cat out of his hat signing that guy this year.  They would have won it all last year if they had him on the bench and not Sheldon Williams.  Think about it - they had his rights last year too.  One more guy to get a couple rebounds in game 7.  He should have been that guy.
     
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