Smart already better than AB

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      Sullinger said after seeing Smart in the workouts and in the first couple days of practice that he was "Shocked" at how good he is defensively.  His size and strength are a cut above AB, he can get to the basket off the dribble, splitting defenders, muscling through them if he has to, and most importantly can finish at the rim, or take the contact and go to the line where I believe he shot roughly 80% from during college.


     


      AB is the easiest block in the league when he takes it to the rim, and he's got no touch at the rim what-so-ever when he's wide open.  The only way he gets to the rim is through the back door, but he can't get there on his own.  Listen, I like AB, I root for him, and he's got a lot of grit as a player, but I think the celts might use his 8 million a year, his pesky defense, and that corner three in order to make a splash trade happen over the next year.

     
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    don't count on this defensive attribute....they fade after a year or so. Both Rondo & Bradley started a defensive players but faded after you give them a good contract. Worse yet, both can't shoot. I don't get excited in too much defensive player, I rather see a balance player with defensive attribute and scoring ability.


    I heard Smart can't shoot either....but remain to be seen. I'm not giving up, I want to see his real NBA capability. I already saw Rondo & Bradley.

     
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    I will take any good words right now but che is right. Most times that smothering Defense fades away in a couple years. Its just too exhausting. In order for Marcus/AB or anyone to be all they can be defensively, they have to remain a specialist. Once they are asked to do more like scoring, playmaking,etc their D will suffer no doubt.


    As much as AB progressed offensively last year he regressed equally on defense. The Bruce Bowens of the league were only asked to shoot the corner 3. If the C's get more scoring eslewhere and reduce AB's role back to just playing D and hitting open 3's instead of including him in the offense ray allen style(running around to get open) there is no way he is gonna ALSO play smothering D. So Danny NEEDS to get scoring from Green on a regular basis and would be smart to move Rondo and pickup Isiah who can score at a higher clip than Rondo. Also, I dont like how Rondo played like a Hun last year and thinks he is a 3 pt shooter now. I would move him before the deadline because Rondo and Rebuilding are two words that dont mesh IMO.


     


    "A lot of bookies are probably mad at us right now, but we don't give a damn, ... We're the champs!!"


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      Good points, but I think it's a nice sign that his defense is good at the NBA level, and even after it slows a couple of years in once his offense develops, he'll be able to turn it on for big match ups and in the playoffs when everyones screws tighten.  His strength is key, because he'll wear guys down throughout a game, not just with physical defense, but with physical offense, something that Bradley doesn't have.  He runs around a lot and that might tire a guy out, but Smart is going to punish a lot of guys by driving and taking the contact, and finishing.  Bradley's got no finish game around the rim.  and he can't muscle a soul with the ball in his hands.  

     He's a better passer as well, and he'll be able to drive and dish.  I don't mean to trash Bradley, love how he plays with a snarl, but Smart could turn out to be a fantastic pick.  And I think it's going to be hard to deny him court time once the season is a month old.  

     
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    Difficult to be an elite defensive player and an elite offensive player.   Very few can do it (Lebron, Kobe, Duncan, etc).   most are either/or.   Bradley can't play up on his man all the time and also get open on picks and be a top 2 or 3 scorer on the team.   A lot to expect.   So, the criticism is unfair.  Wade is not an exceptional defensive player.  Neither is Carmelo, Curry, Dirk, Tony Parker, Pierce, etc, etc.   So, why are we expecting so much of Bradley.  The kid improved his shooting and has a very good mid range jumper now and because he isn't Bruce Bowen, we're unhappy?


    As for Smart - I hope he's great.  But he hasn't played a day against the NBA guards and while everyone likes him, wait until mid to late season when others are fighting for playoff position.  Then let's see if he stops Wade, Rose, Parker, Curry, Teague, Lowry, and others.    We'll see if he's so great at that point.   I want him to prove himself before proclaiming "he's better than AB" or anyone else.   I hope so.  But my expectations are lower and more reasonable than others here.


     

     
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    It is a wash, one can shoot a jumper and the other can pass and finish at the goal.

     
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    We might want to see Smart play against NBA competition before we decide who he is better than.

     
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    We might want to see Smart play against NBA competition before we decide who he is better than.

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    + 1 Bingo!

     
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    We might want to see Smart play against NBA competition before we decide who he is better than.

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    + 1 Bingo!

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    At first I was miffed by the AB contract, but it is really not that bad.  Jodie Meeks sucks and is a nothing player.  He really just put up points on a bad team and he got 6 million a year.  Avery Bradley has the potential to be the Defensive Player of the Year.  I agree his defense slipped a little because of his increased role on offense, but once he sees Smart out there playing defense with the same intensity, then that will inspire him.  I'm really excited to see Smart and Bradley on the floor at the same time.  Remember how some point guards would stop bringing the ball up court because of AB's defense?  Who will bring the ball up now if Smart is defending the other guard?  Should be fun to watch.

     
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    At first I was miffed by the AB contract, but it is really not that bad.  Jodie Meeks sucks and is a nothing player.  He really just put up points on a bad team and he got 6 million a year.  Avery Bradley has the potential to be the Defensive Player of the Year.  I agree his defense slipped a little because of his increased role on offense, but once he sees Smart out there playing defense with the same intensity, then that will inspire him.  I'm really excited to see Smart and Bradley on the floor at the same time.  Remember how some point guards would stop bringing the ball up court because of AB's defense?  Who will bring the ball up now if Smart is defending the other guard?  Should be fun to watch.

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    You've gotten everything out of AB you're ever going to get...enjoy what you've SEEN because you'll never ever get to see it again...next time he's injured he won't be rushing to get back any time soon with a fully guaranteed 4 year deal at far more than he was worth...another panic vet signing by Danny Strange, GM.

     
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     "On Wednesday, Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix Tweeted how scouts consider Boston Celtics rookie guard Marcus Smart the potential next "great perimeter defender.""


     


    the rest of the article is here http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4714586/in-focus-smarts-defense"   


     


     better article in globe here   http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2014/09/scouts_are_calling_marcus_smart_the_next_great_perimeter_def.html


     


     AB could be expendable by mid season... 

     
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    We might want to see Smart play against NBA competition before we decide who he is better than.

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    + 1 Bingo!

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    I agree with this, but reports from his appearance as a member of the select team are encouraging.

    • #1 he was selected - a good accomplishment for a rookie who hasn't even played in an NBA game 
    • #2 he apparently gave some of the NBA's best guards fits
     
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    Sure, guys who play a lot of minutes may not hound a guy 100% like a rookie, but if they can play d it sure helps on those big plays down the stretch.  Think how often we saw teams go after ray defensively.

     
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    We might want to see Smart play against NBA competition before we decide who he is better than.

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    + 1 Bingo!

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    .  I can see that Fierce's influence is not to be taken lightly.

     
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    I will take any good words right now but che is right. Most times that smothering Defense fades away in a couple years. Its just too exhausting. In order for Marcus/AB or anyone to be all they can be defensively, they have to remain a specialist. Once they are asked to do more like scoring, playmaking,etc their D will suffer no doubt.

     

    As much as AB progressed offensively last year he regressed equally on defense. The Bruce Bowens of the league were only asked to shoot the corner 3. If the C's get more scoring eslewhere and reduce AB's role back to just playing D and hitting open 3's instead of including him in the offense ray allen style(running around to get open) there is no way he is gonna ALSO play smothering D. So Danny NEEDS to get scoring from Green on a regular basis and would be smart to move Rondo and pickup Isiah who can score at a higher clip than Rondo. Also, I dont like how Rondo played like a Hun last year and thinks he is a 3 pt shooter now. I would move him before the deadline because Rondo and Rebuilding are two words that dont mesh IMO.

     

     

     

    "A lot of bookies are probably mad at us right now, but we don't give a damn, ... We're the champs!!"

     

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    The coming on of Smart in the eyes of the experts has to be sad news for the Rondo Youth Brigade. This kid is a great defender and is not a head case for coaches like SOMEONE we all know.... He might go after people who call him racial epithets but he's never taken out his childish tantrums on a perfectly innocent big screen TV in the team's locker room. 


    As Ocho Cinco would say "Child, PLEASE!"

     
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    " He might go after people who call him racial epithets but he's never taken out his childish tantrums on a perfectly innocent big screen TV in the team's locker room. "


    He's also never won a championship or a played in a meaningful NBA game. He's never outplayed Lebron James in a playoff game. So he has quite a bit more to prove than Rondo. 


    Rondo will be traded so there's really nothing to discuss with him. 


    As for Smart he was drafted sixth and would have gone number one probably the year before. Bradley was drafted 19 so yeah, Smart should be a better player. Doesn't reflect poorly on Bradley, just facts. 


    "I think the celts might use his 8 million a year, his pesky defense, and that corner three in order to make a splash trade happen over the next year."


    well unfortunately the Celtics overpaid Bradley (a bad habit of Ainge's with "his guys"), so Bradley isn't very tradeable at the moment. Certainly no "splash" trades are available for Avery at the moment. Best thing right now is to play him, establish his offense further, and prove he is underpaid at 8 million. If Smart works out, then you can trade Bradley.


     


     


      

     
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    " He might go after people who call him racial epithets but he's never taken out his childish tantrums on a perfectly innocent big screen TV in the team's locker room. "

     

    He's also never won a championship or a played in a meaningful NBA game. He's never outplayed Lebron James in a playoff game. So he has quite a bit more to prove than Rondo. 

     

    Rondo will be traded so there's really nothing to discuss with him. 

     

    As for Smart he was drafted sixth and would have gone number one probably the year before. Bradley was drafted 19 so yeah, Smart should be a better player. Doesn't reflect poorly on Bradley, just facts. 

     

    "I think the celts might use his 8 million a year, his pesky defense, and that corner three in order to make a splash trade happen over the next year."

     

    well unfortunately the Celtics overpaid Bradley (a bad habit of Ainge's with "his guys"), so Bradley isn't very tradeable at the moment. Certainly no "splash" trades are available for Avery at the moment. Best thing right now is to play him, establish his offense further, and prove he is underpaid at 8 million. If Smart works out, then you can trade Bradley.

     

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    Spanky has been dead wrong about Rondo for many years now.... and now because he is about to be traded, there is nothing really to discuss?

    10-4 chief... but don't look down!

    Pud

     
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    " He might go after people who call him racial epithets but he's never taken out his childish tantrums on a perfectly innocent big screen TV in the team's locker room. "

     

    He's also never won a championship or a played in a meaningful NBA game. He's never outplayed Lebron James in a playoff game. So he has quite a bit more to prove than Rondo. 

     

    Rondo will be traded so there's really nothing to discuss with him. 

     

    As for Smart he was drafted sixth and would have gone number one probably the year before. Bradley was drafted 19 so yeah, Smart should be a better player. Doesn't reflect poorly on Bradley, just facts. 

     

    "I think the celts might use his 8 million a year, his pesky defense, and that corner three in order to make a splash trade happen over the next year."

     

    well unfortunately the Celtics overpaid Bradley (a bad habit of Ainge's with "his guys"), so Bradley isn't very tradeable at the moment. Certainly no "splash" trades are available for Avery at the moment. Best thing right now is to play him, establish his offense further, and prove he is underpaid at 8 million. If Smart works out, then you can trade Bradley.

     

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    Spanky has been dead wrong about Rondo for many years now.... and now because he is about to be traded, there is nothing really to discuss?

    10-4 chief... but don't look down!

    Pud

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    BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Pud, somewhere, somehow I got on Spanks bad side....I'm inconsolable as you can tell....ya think it might be my pure hatred of Rondo on the C's? I mean, I don't think he's a baddddd mannnnnn, just a baddddd current Celtic! Oh well, pishaw, pishaw, pishaw is all I can emote, pishaw, pishaw, pishaw!

    Rondo, just invite me to your next game day "Birthday No-Show" bash regardless of what NBA city you represent by then! If ya do, I'll write nice things 'bout ya! That's a promise! 

    BTW...does anyone know if the Pouty Rondoid paid the C's for that TV he busted out?!

     
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     Melly, that fat slob in the stands never called Smart a racial epithet.  Smart was scared, panicked and said so immediately, then almost as immediately set the record straight that the guy didn't do that.  He gut checked, didn't run from it, and manned up with the truth.  I imagine you know this because it was a big deal, so it's weird your trying to slander that fat slob of a fan as a racist.


     


    Trollspanker, when I wrote that a splash trade could happen using AB's new contract Love was still rumored to be thinking about the Celtics.  I'm pretty sure it was before LeBron made his move which is what ended the Love speculation.  But ya, now there isn't a splash to be found and i agree that they'll continue to encourage him to shoot so his scoring looks good in the stat column in order to maybe trade him.  Also, AB would have gone higher in the draft had he not had surgery on a ligament in his ankle during the draft process.  And when I originally wrote this post, the majority of responders sort of mocked me.  Now it's looking more on point and you say I was simply pointing out the obvious.  

     
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     Melly, that fat slob in the stands never called Smart a racial epithet.  Smart was scared, panicked and said so immediately, then almost as immediately set the record straight that the guy didn't do that.  He gut checked, didn't run from it, and manned up with the truth.  I imagine you know this because it was a big deal, so it's weird your trying to slander that fat slob of a fan as a racist.

     

     

     

    Trollspanker, when I wrote that a splash trade could happen using AB's new contract Love was still rumored to be thinking about the Celtics.  I'm pretty sure it was before LeBron made his move which is what ended the Love speculation.  But ya, now there isn't a splash to be found and i agree that they'll continue to encourage him to shoot so his scoring looks good in the stat column in order to maybe trade him.  Also, AB would have gone higher in the draft had he not had surgery on a ligament in his ankle during the draft process.  And when I originally wrote this post, the majority of responders sort of mocked me.  Now it's looking more on point and you say I was simply pointing out the obvious.  

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    I stand corrected...thanks for the info, and I really only knew the FIRST, Smart supplied version of "the truth"..as I said, thanks for the info and I stand corrected.

    As for Smart, I think C's fans will love this kid's game and hustle...they have always loved hustle and grit more than pure talent...I think Smart has both...AB? They overpaid for the guy...a DA panic moment...maybe they thought they might need a veteran presence on the team if another certain Veteran guard suddenly was no longer on the team...couldn't possibly imagine who THAT might be?!

     
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    " He might go after people who call him racial epithets but he's never taken out his childish tantrums on a perfectly innocent big screen TV in the team's locker room. "

     

    He's also never won a championship or a played in a meaningful NBA game. He's never outplayed Lebron James in a playoff game. So he has quite a bit more to prove than Rondo. 

     

    Rondo will be traded so there's really nothing to discuss with him. 

     

    As for Smart he was drafted sixth and would have gone number one probably the year before. Bradley was drafted 19 so yeah, Smart should be a better player. Doesn't reflect poorly on Bradley, just facts. 

     

    "I think the celts might use his 8 million a year, his pesky defense, and that corner three in order to make a splash trade happen over the next year."

     

    well unfortunately the Celtics overpaid Bradley (a bad habit of Ainge's with "his guys"), so Bradley isn't very tradeable at the moment. Certainly no "splash" trades are available for Avery at the moment. Best thing right now is to play him, establish his offense further, and prove he is underpaid at 8 million. If Smart works out, then you can trade Bradley.

     

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    Spanky has been dead wrong about Rondo for many years now.... and now because he is about to be traded, there is nothing really to discuss?

    10-4 chief... but don't look down!

    Pud

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    BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Pud, somewhere, somehow I got on Spanks bad side....I'm inconsolable as you can tell....ya think it might be my pure hatred of Rondo on the C's? I mean, I don't think he's a baddddd mannnnnn, just a baddddd current Celtic! Oh well, pishaw, pishaw, pishaw is all I can emote, pishaw, pishaw, pishaw!

    Rondo, just invite me to your next game day "Birthday No-Show" bash regardless of what NBA city you represent by then! If ya do, I'll write nice things 'bout ya! That's a promise! 

    BTW...does anyone know if the Pouty Rondoid paid the C's for that TV he busted out?!

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    One thing for sure.... he'll never deal with you straight up... mano a mano. 

    He won't ignore and he doesn't engage either.

    Pud

     
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    Im in the camp of those withholding the anointment of Smart until we see him play in the NBA. Geez, didnt anyone remember the long list of rookies discussed here during summer league over the years that were "difference makers"...where'd they all go?  Most recently was KO... star of last years summer league. Not saying he was bad but you get the picture.

    Im optimistic Smart can step in immediately and show he can get the job done over the course of a season, just wouldnt put any $$$ down on the table

     
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