Petey, I pretty much agree with you on Doc...I think what Smith was saying was that Doc commands the respect of his players and has a way of getting them mentally ready to excel....they really love the guy and want to play for him.....I'm not sure if he used the term "teacher" or "leader"...

I also forgot to point out that Stephen A said Doc is perfect for Boston because Boston is such a great sports town with a wonderful history and the fans are so demanding of excellence from  their teams.....the fans are pretty spoiled with the recent run of success from the Celtics, Sox, Patriots, and Bruins...

Duke4, you put quotations around Smith's comment about Doc being a "teacher of men".  That suggests that Smith actually said that.  So you're not sure if Smith used the term "teacher" or "leader"?  Okay, but you might not want to add the quotes to suggest that he did.

Nevertheless, I agree that Doc commands the respect of his players as well as players around the league.  But I'm not so sure HE always gets them mentally ready to excel.  I say that because on too many occasions this team comes out just plain flat (see Charlotte Bobcats game) and then during a post-game presser Doc appears totally oblivious as to why the team played like it did.  I don't think Doc has a true pulse of the team at all times (we don't practice enough).  The Celtics, for as talented as they are, have way too many stinkers (even with as much chemistry as they have developed during the season).

I think Doc is a "veteran's coach" who relies on the veterans policing the team.  He is not patient with young players and prefers to NOT develop them unless injuries force him to.

Just my opinion.

In response to Petey62's comment:

Duke4, you put quotations around Smith's comment about Doc being a "teacher of men".  That suggests that Smith actually said that.  So you're not sure if Smith used the term "teacher" or "leader"?  Okay, but you might not want to add the quotes to suggest that he did.

Nevertheless, I agree that Doc commands the respect of his players as well as players around the league.  But I'm not so sure HE always gets them mentally ready to excel.  I say that because on too many occasions this team comes out just plain flat (see Charlotte Bobcats game) and then during a post-game presser Doc appears totally oblivious as to why the team played like it did.  I don't think Doc has a true pulse of the team at all times (we don't practice enough).  The Celtics, for as talented as they are, have way too many stinkers (even with as much chemistry as they have developed during the season).

I think Doc is a "veteran's coach" who relies on the veterans policing the team.  He is not patient with young players and prefers to NOT develop them unless injuries force him to.

Just my opinion.

c'mon soldier boy....what is your "personal"

vendetta with both DOC & PIERCE...do you

really expect any COACH to come out before

a game and say "MT TEAM IS NOT READY TO

PLAY"....what the hell is wrong with you...

and after any game when a team stinks up

the joint , after both sufficent practices and

team meetings and discussions , and lays

egg after egg , do you WANT THE COACH

to throw his players under the bus....all DOC

is saying is " i don't know what more we can say

or do for the guys to play as they should be

playing"...just because he is "mouthing" these words does

does mean we should take those words "LITERALLY" and

you know dam well what he means...these guys are not

"kids" they should not even need a coach....what's your

beef soldier boy...please tell us....you of all

people know or should damn well know , that

when you go into "BATTLE" .....e-x-p-e-r-i-n-c-e

TRUMPS inexperience each & every time...

so that your use of the word "veterans"

is grossly misleading....DOC may not be

the MAN to either ....TEACH OR LEAD...you

into and or on THE BATTLE FIELD....but he

is perfect for this group of .....CELTIC MEN !!!!!

In response to Petey62's comment:

Duke4, you put quotations around Smith's comment about Doc being a "teacher of men".  That suggests that Smith actually said that.  So you're not sure if Smith used the term "teacher" or "leader"?  Okay, but you might not want to add the quotes to suggest that he did.

Nevertheless, I agree that Doc commands the respect of his players as well as players around the league.  But I'm not so sure HE always gets them mentally ready to excel.  I say that because on too many occasions this team comes out just plain flat (see Charlotte Bobcats game) and then during a post-game presser Doc appears totally oblivious as to why the team played like it did.  I don't think Doc has a true pulse of the team at all times (we don't practice enough).  The Celtics, for as talented as they are, have way too many stinkers (even with as much chemistry as they have developed during the season).

I think Doc is a "veteran's coach" who relies on the veterans policing the team.  He is not patient with young players and prefers to NOT develop them unless injuries force him to.

Just my opinion.

c'mon soldier boy....what is your "personal"

vendetta with both DOC & PIERCE...do you

really expect any COACH to come out before

a game and say "MT TEAM IS NOT READY TO

PLAY"....what the hell is wrong with you...

and after any game when a team stinks up

the joint , after both sufficent practices and

team meetings and discussions , and lays

egg after egg , do you WANT THE COACH

to throw his players under the bus....all DOC

is saying is " i don't know what more we can say

or do for the guys to play as they should be

playing"...just because he is "mouthing" these words does

does mean we should take those words "LITERALLY" and

you know dam well what he means...these guys are not

"kids" they should not even need a coach....what's your

beef soldier boy...please tell us....you of all

people know or should damn well know , that

when you go into "BATTLE" .....e-x-p-e-r-i-n-c-e

TRUMPS inexperience each & every time...

so that your use of the word "veterans"

is grossly misleading....DOC may not be

the MAN to either ....TEACH OR LEAD...you

into and or on THE BATTLE FIELD....but he

is perfect for this group of .....CELTIC MEN !!!!!

after game 5 of the heat series last year SAS said it was over for miami.  he's just a typical frontrunner

In response to Petey62's comment:

Headley, I don't think using one of the smartest big men coming out of college in awhile in Sully and AB who is one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA, is a fair representation of the many young players who were not developed in the Doc era.

And I doubt that you can even credit Doc with AB's defensive development.  That is IN him.  As for Sully, he looked good but the jury is still out on him.  He has the potential but we'll see what he can do long-term.  We thought the same thing about a guy named Glen Davis some years back.

The evaluation, selection and development of young talent just doesn't appear to be a strong suit of Doc's.

 Petey, I think what makes it difficult is that a team "going for the chip" needs to build an identity over seeing what they have in the young guys who may or may not be in the league in a few years.  I think Doc has still managed to get guys on the floor early in their careers even though it's not the emphasis like it was when they finished last in the league.  We can't have it both ways.

  A lot of guys come in the league and have some success early and still don't last.  Doc challenges young players to find out what it is that they can do to help "the team", and if they can fill a productive role, he plays them within the function of the team.  When players learn this early and respond they are more likely to have a solid ten year career.  I actualy think Docs approach and understanding of what it takes to last in the league is the best thing that could happen to a player in their first couple years.  They learn to become professionals after being the star their life up to that point.    

 I'll admit, it's frustrating at times when I'd like to see some more TWill, but Doc knows that Terry's identity within this team will pay bigger dividends in the playoffs, I hope.  (this is hard for me to believe at times)  

Big Baby is a good example.  He got some playing time early in his career, filled an important role, grew in some ways as a player, would be huge for this team right now if only he accepted his role and didn't think about himself over the team.  Could have had a solid career for a competitive team.  But instead he spoiled his way out of town.     

In response to passfirst's comment:

In response to Petey62's comment:

Headley, I don't think using one of the smartest big men coming out of college in awhile in Sully and AB who is one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA, is a fair representation of the many young players who were not developed in the Doc era.

And I doubt that you can even credit Doc with AB's defensive development.  That is IN him.  As for Sully, he looked good but the jury is still out on him.  He has the potential but we'll see what he can do long-term.  We thought the same thing about a guy named Glen Davis some years back.

The evaluation, selection and development of young talent just doesn't appear to be a strong suit of Doc's.

 Petey, I think what makes it difficult is that a team "going for the chip" needs to build an identity over seeing what they have in the young guys who may or may not be in the league in a few years.  I think Doc has still managed to get guys on the floor early in their careers even though it's not the emphasis like it was when they finished last in the league.  We can't have it both ways.

  A lot of guys come in the league and have some success early and still don't last.  Doc challenges young players to find out what it is that they can do to help "the team", and if they can fill a productive role, he plays them within the function of the team.  When players learn this early and respond they are more likely to have a solid ten year career.  I actualy think Docs approach and understanding of what it takes to last in the league is the best thing that could happen to a player in their first couple years.  They learn to become professionals after being the star their life up to that point.    

 I'll admit, it's frustrating at times when I'd like to see some more TWill, but Doc knows that Terry's identity within this team will pay bigger dividends in the playoffs, I hope.  (this is hard for me to believe at times)  

Big Baby is a good example.  He got some playing time early in his career, filled an important role, grew in some ways as a player, would be huge for this team right now if only he accepted his role and didn't think about himself over the team.  Could have had a solid career for a competitive team.  But instead he spoiled his way out of town.     

Rondo, Perkins, Jefferson, Sullinger, Bradley, Davis and Ryan Gomes were all players Doc has worked with and developed.  Who has he NOT worked with?

Giddens? out of the league

Walker? out of the league

Erden? playing in Turkey

So, I ask you, name ONE player we drafted that Doc has not played.......who was any good!!

In response to hedleylamarr's comment:

In response to passfirst's comment:

In response to Petey62's comment:

Headley, I don't think using one of the smartest big men coming out of college in awhile in Sully and AB who is one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA, is a fair representation of the many young players who were not developed in the Doc era.

And I doubt that you can even credit Doc with AB's defensive development.  That is IN him.  As for Sully, he looked good but the jury is still out on him.  He has the potential but we'll see what he can do long-term.  We thought the same thing about a guy named Glen Davis some years back.

The evaluation, selection and development of young talent just doesn't appear to be a strong suit of Doc's.

 Petey, I think what makes it difficult is that a team "going for the chip" needs to build an identity over seeing what they have in the young guys who may or may not be in the league in a few years.  I think Doc has still managed to get guys on the floor early in their careers even though it's not the emphasis like it was when they finished last in the league.  We can't have it both ways.

  A lot of guys come in the league and have some success early and still don't last.  Doc challenges young players to find out what it is that they can do to help "the team", and if they can fill a productive role, he plays them within the function of the team.  When players learn this early and respond they are more likely to have a solid ten year career.  I actualy think Docs approach and understanding of what it takes to last in the league is the best thing that could happen to a player in their first couple years.  They learn to become professionals after being the star their life up to that point.    

 I'll admit, it's frustrating at times when I'd like to see some more TWill, but Doc knows that Terry's identity within this team will pay bigger dividends in the playoffs, I hope.  (this is hard for me to believe at times)  

Big Baby is a good example.  He got some playing time early in his career, filled an important role, grew in some ways as a player, would be huge for this team right now if only he accepted his role and didn't think about himself over the team.  Could have had a solid career for a competitive team.  But instead he spoiled his way out of town.     

Rondo, Perkins, Jefferson, Sullinger, Bradley, Davis and Ryan Gomes were all players Doc has worked with and developed.  Who has he NOT worked with?

Giddens? out of the league

Walker? out of the league

Erden? playing in Turkey

So, I ask you, name ONE player we drafted that Doc has not played.......who was any good!!

I'd add Tony Allen to this list as well.  Doc even gave him solid minutes at the PG spot in his second year.  Tony battled through injury, found his role, and Doc had it right with him.  When he went to Memphis thinking he'd be a star, he settled back into the same type role he played with the Celtics.  Doc helped him become that.  His defense wasn't a given when he first came into the league and Doc said "do this and you'll get into the game" once KG/Pierce/Ray arived.  T.A. worked hard for it and as a result will have a solid ten year career in the NBA.  

Headley, I don't think using one of the smartest big men coming out of college in awhile in Sully and AB who is one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA, is a fair representation of the many young players who were not developed in the Doc era.