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    The Lakers may very well get to 18 first....but they will never overcome the Boston dominance that is 9 out of 12!!   ......that even beats the Yankees' record of 8 out of 11 against the Dodgers....
     
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    The Lakers may very well get to 18 first....but they will never overcome the Boston dominance that is 9 out of 12!!   ......that even beats the Yankees' record of 8 out of 11 against the Dodgers....
    Posted by Duke4

    And how many will remember those less than tertiary, forgotten and meaningless facts? People remember titles. The only time people remember other things about those who finished 2nd are facts like Bill Buckner's mess up or epic collapses like you know who.
     
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    n Response to Re: Stern to blame : And how many will remember those less than tertiary, forgotten and meaningless facts? People remember titles. The only time people remember other things about those who finished 2nd are facts like Bill Buckner's mess up or epic collapses like you know who.
    Posted by scarymemo


    Or the 2004 Yankees, or the 2010 LA Lakers?  Oh, I get it now!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Stern to blame : and that my friend is where I do my part...........will never go to a game on my paycheck...........all the fans have to do is organize like everyone else these days on facebook and have a mass protest and not attend a game.............preferably a big televised game..........then everyone will see where the real people are who give them a paycheck..............it is not the owners.........it is WE THE PEOPLE
    Posted by damfuno


    Got my vote. The fans should have a say in it, but we as fans are not smart enough to do something like this. Are we?
     
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    In Response to Re: Stern to blame : Or the 2004 Yankees, or the 2010 LA Lakers?  Oh, I get it now!!
    Posted by Red-16Russ-11


    Uh , the Lakers won the title in 2010
     
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    In Response to Re: Stern to blame : Some lakers fans are so blinded by their loyalty to the lakers that they lose sight of what is really at stake here.  NATURALLY the lakers and all their fans want a season this year.  OF COURSE Buss wants a season.  With the oldest team in the league, they have a small window.  Because Buss is allowed to spend irresponsibly is part of the problem, not the solution.  Tell me how this current system benefits Toronto or Cleveland and I will listen.  Those owners have spent MORE than Buss to acquire a team, and they should have no say in things?  Delusional!! 
    Posted by Red-16Russ-11


    I would think the Celtic fans would want a season this year also. Isn't there window getting smaller also?

     
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    In Response to Re: Stern to blame : Well, I think the Yankees in 2004 was a bigger choke job.  Of course, the lakers getting swept this year is up there as well.  2 time defending champs go out like lambs....... And baseball will never change.  The Union is too strong....how about them Yankees?  Biggest payroll and they lose to the Tigers? Oh, and I really don't care if the lakers get to 18 first, as long as the playing field is LEVEL.....then, you see, they would have earned it.  The system as it is now totally favors the lakers, and not the rest of the league.  They might even have to use creative financing for once, instead of out-spending everyone. Your "argument" (if that's what it is), merely drives home my point - the current system favors the lakers, and that's why the lakers organization and their fans want status quo..............thanks for chiming in with your nonsense - and thanks for "makin' my point."
    Posted by Red-16Russ-11


    Please explain how the system favors the Lakers and not the rest of the league
     
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    In Response to Re: Stern to blame : Uh , the Lakers won the title in 2010
    Posted by dirty52


    Yes, my bad.  You are correct.  Thanks for respoding to my post!
     
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    In Response to Re: Stern to blame : I would think the Celtic fans would want a season this year also. Isn't there window getting smaller also?
    Posted by dirty52


    Our window is closed.................we are not good enough to get by CHI or MIA right now, and I think I said the lakers window is closing......typical denial, but thanks again for responding to my second post.
     
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    Posted by dirty52


    3 for 3?  Good for you - I'm really glad my posts interest you more than anyone else's.
    The "system" favors the bigger market teams, namely the lakers and the Knicks.  The Knicks are not really relevant, since they haven't won in so long.  Tell me, though, on that note......think Stern would like the Knicks to be relevant every year?  Stern works for the owners.  He was once asked his ideal Finals and he said, "lakers vs lakers."  That alone speaks volumes...they have an owner who wants to win, and doesn't care how much money he spends.  The only difference is that other, newer owners are already behind the eight ball.  The only way to make money is to win, the only way to win is to spend money.  Well, if I just spent 350 million for a club, I think I would want at least a CHANCE to win...........the lakers, with the Gasol trade, and the Knicks, with the whole "Melo thing" are putting the other owners at a disadvantage...........and, as I have said repeatedly, you- a LAKERS fan, cannot understand this, and do not want the system to change - hope that helps you lack of comprehension a little bit.  Your continued responding to each of my posts, while flattering in some parts, may be contrued as stalking by BDC, so I would be careful if I were you, I do not wish this "conversation" to continue.
     
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    In Response to Re: Stern to blame : A soft cap favors the Lakers. The Lakers have a 91.3m payroll this year, Kobe 25.24m, Pau 18.7m, and Bynum 15.1m. That's a total of 59m. Those 3 players alone already put the Lakers above the salary cap, if we're to base it on the old rules. Since Dr. Jerry Buss has a lot of money he doesn't mind paying luxury tax. Small market teams and owners of teams that are not as profitable as the Lakers don't have the money to do what Dr. Buss did. It's like playing poker and your opponent has more money than you do. 
    Posted by Fiercest34



    Well are not the Celtics profitable? Doesn't the soft cap favor them?
     
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    In Response to Re: Stern to blame : A soft cap favors the Lakers. The Lakers have a 91.3m payroll this year, Kobe 25.24m, Pau 18.7m, and Bynum 15.1m. That's a total of 59m. Those 3 players alone already put the Lakers above the salary cap, if we're to base it on the old rules. Since Dr. Jerry Buss has a lot of money he doesn't mind paying luxury tax. Small market teams and owners of teams that are not as profitable as the Lakers don't have the money to do what Dr. Buss did. It's like playing poker and your opponent has more money than you do. 
    Posted by Fiercest34


    And thank you for your explanation
     
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    And, let's not forget that the Celtics do not OWN the building they play in.  They are like the Clippers, who have to pay rent..............think that factors in just a little bit in their thinking?
     
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    Seriously the posts decrying the players being at fault are absolutely ludicrous.
    Has any of the players detractors ever here economies of scale? There has been a trend in this nation lately that is both dangerous and totally          misdirected is if a business fails or not making money it's because the employees are making too much. If the NBA owners who are decrying the wages are to high then why did they voluntarily pay them so much? The players are and have asked for a decrease in percentages in accord to the last CBA even though the league is doing better,they have gone even further by saying they would have fluctuated the percentage from 50 - 53 % depending on how the league is doing. This offer was accepted by the franchises doing the best and are properly run. Nimrods like Paul Allen, who is such a bad owner his team is frequently known as the Gang Blazers, that are clueless about running a sports franchise but are too much of a megalomaniac to admit it should sell. I've been owner of failed and successful and both have not been because of how much I paid my employees but my lack or ability to plan and estimate properly. Now I owned a few small businesses and a small business is no way is compared to being a billionaires who got obscenely rich by derivatives trading,Shady real estate financing and over valuation,corporate raiding and slicing and dicing of companies that caused literally millions of Americans to be unemployed or under employed . This acceptance that all business owners have the same work ethic and earn every penny they get is really the a fallacy that will lead to an inevitable economic collapse more than any illegal alien,welfare abuser,so called excessive regulation, Obama or supposed "handouts" like SS, whom people have contributed to their whole lives combined. I fault Sterns for allowing  afew over the top greedy megalomaniacs that care nothing about the rich history or the present state or possible repercussions to the future of the NBA that they would rather have cease to exist than admit they haven't the ability to properly run a major sports franchise. This fallacy that is accepted by so many that it's always the employees that are to blame for being greedy and owners are always victims of some evil socialist conspiracy. Do the players make more than you and I do sure but that is why there only 650 NBA players in a world where there is 7.5 billion people. Stern has pushed hard for about 2 decades for constant expansion but the laws of economics are the supply is only as valuable as the demand. He is the commissioner of the NBA his job is to be the executor for the NBA as a whole not the players not the owners but solely for the continued profitability of the league of which he has failed miserably and completely. He has had a sport that is US created and has diddled away every opportunity ever afforded him from the Celtic/ Lakers in the 80s , MJ in the 90s and now the unbelievable talent pool that has emerged in the 4-5 years. So yes he is too blame for guiding the ship with his myopic vision. The world of professional basketball is thriving worldwide but is under the threat of extinction here in the land of it's birth. If that isn't epic failure what is?
     
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    So let me get this straight--you believe that a soft cap "favors the Lakers?" & that's why you want to do away with it? First, Jerry Buss is not the richest owner in the NBA. It's Paul Allen who owns the Blazers. 2nd, Jerry Buss wanted to let Lamar Odom go (which I hoped he would) but Odom went to the owner to ask to stay on the team.

    Buss gutted the 2nd unit to save cash & had Mitch sign some dinasours that gave nothing to the season. Buss is dependent upon his primary earnings from the Lakers. Other owners have a primary business outside of the NBA, e.g., Mark Cuban, Mickey Arison.

    Just because your team is in a bigger market doesn't mean you're going to be successful. I suspect New York is a bigger market than Boston and Boston is a bigger market than San Antonio. Success in the NBA has a lot of factors involved. Hating the Lakers isn't one of them.

    So get your blinders off & see this dispute for what it truly is--a battle royal among the owners themselves. & there is an incentive to destroy the season by those that are failing miserably, wanting to have a hard cap, force players with much lower salaries to stay with a team permanently until they're washed up. This won't make the NBA any more competitive, any more successful. It will just mean that players will no longer be able to collude with one another to go to team and a city of their choice.

    You want to attack L.A. for getting Gasol, well if these failed NBA franchises had their way, Ray Allen & Kevin Garnett would still be suffering in some failed franchise & you wouldn't have your 1 title the past 2 decades. Poeple will lose interest if smaller markets dominate the NBA--who watched the Spurs-Cleveland series?
     
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    Success in the NBA has a lot of factors involved. Hating the Lakers isn't one of them. 
    Posted by LakerFan67


    The Dallas Cowboys are America's team, but not everybody in America loves the Cowboys, right?

    So what if some of the Celtic fans hate the Lakers? Isn't America a democratic country? Fans have the right to hate or dislike the Lakers, it's not illegal.

    You talk about hate and you're here, on a forum for Celtic fans, hating on the Celtics. Doesn't that make you the biggest hypocrite?
     
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    So let me get this straight--you believe that a soft cap "favors the Lakers?" & that's why you want to do away with it? First, Jerry Buss is not the richest owner in the NBA. It's Paul Allen who owns the Blazers. 2nd, Jerry Buss wanted to let Lamar Odom go (which I hoped he would) but Odom went to the owner to ask to stay on the team. 
    Posted by LakerFan67


    Even if Odom wanted to stay, it would not have happened if Jerry Buss refused to pay up. Jerry Buss still had the last say in the matter. 

    James Posey wanted to remain a Celtic, unfortunately the owners said no. 


    Kobe - 25.2m
    Gasol - 18.7m
    Bynum - 15.1m
    Odom - 8.9m

    How many small market teams can afford to pay 4 players like that? 

    You're in denial if you can't accept the fact that the Lakers have more money to spend than teams like Memphis and New Orleans.

     
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    So get your blinders off & see this dispute for what it truly is--a battle royal among the owners themselves. & there is an incentive to destroy the season by those that are failing miserably, wanting to have a hard cap, force players with much lower salaries to stay with a team permanently until they're washed up. This won't make the NBA any more competitive, any more successful. It will just mean that players will no longer be able to collude with one another to go to team and a city of their choice. 
    Posted by LakerFan67


    That's easy for you to say, the Lakers are a big market team like NY, Chicago, and Boston. How would New Orleans and Memphis fans feel? You think if CP3 leaves New Orleans it wouldn't break the hearts of his fans in New Orleans?

    A hard cap gives small market teams a chance to be competitive, there's nothing wrong with that.
     
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    Poeple will lose interest if smaller markets dominate the NBA--who watched the Spurs-Cleveland series?
    Posted by LakerFan67


    People in Cleveland and San Antonio watched the series.

    Saying that people will lose interest if small market teams dominate the NBA is a dumb thing to say. The reason why there's a lockout now is because of the small market teams and teams that are not profitable. If you're going to tell teams like Memphis and New Orleans that you will not allow them to be competitive because fans don't like them, then why should they invest on an NBA team in the first place?

     "Poeple will lose interest if smaller markets dominate the NBA"

    I'm not hating, but that's really a dumb statement. 
     
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    So let me get this straight--you believe that a soft cap "favors the Lakers?" & that's why you want to do away with it? First, Jerry Buss is not the richest owner in the NBA. It's Paul Allen who owns the Blazers. 2nd, Jerry Buss wanted to let Lamar Odom go (which I hoped he would) but Odom went to the owner to ask to stay on the team. Buss gutted the 2nd unit to save cash & had Mitch sign some dinasours that gave nothing to the season. Buss is dependent upon his primary earnings from the Lakers. Other owners have a primary business outside of the NBA, e.g., Mark Cuban, Mickey Arison. Just because your team is in a bigger market doesn't mean you're going to be successful. I suspect New York is a bigger market than Boston and Boston is a bigger market than San Antonio. Success in the NBA has a lot of factors involved. Hating the Lakers isn't one of them. So get your blinders off & see this dispute for what it truly is--a battle royal among the owners themselves. & there is an incentive to destroy the season by those that are failing miserably, wanting to have a hard cap, force players with much lower salaries to stay with a team permanently until they're washed up. This won't make the NBA any more competitive, any more successful. It will just mean that players will no longer be able to collude with one another to go to team and a city of their choice. You want to attack L.A. for getting Gasol, well if these failed NBA franchises had their way, Ray Allen & Kevin Garnett would still be suffering in some failed franchise & you wouldn't have your 1 title the past 2 decades. Poeple will lose interest if smaller markets dominate the NBA--who watched the Spurs-Cleveland series?
    Posted by LakerFan67


    You want small market teams to be in the NBA, but you also want the rules to prohibit them from becoming great teams. What owner in his right mind would agree to that, man?
     
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