Sullinger is better than Bass....

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    Hey Kirk- although I didn't see the game, I have been a proponent of starting Sully since we drafted him.  Two reasons, one - he is young and hungry, and can rebound.  Two - Bass will make our bench probably the best in the league!

     
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    Hey Kirk- although I didn't see the game, I have been a proponent of starting Sully since we drafted him.  Two reasons, one - he is young and hungry, and can rebound.  Two - Bass will make our bench probably the best in the league!

     
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    I like Bass on the 2nd unit as well

     
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    If he says it it must be right. Right?

     
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    Right!!

     
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    Didn't take long to start making changes to the Celtics rotation.

     
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    Bass can't rebound.  That's the biggest problem I have with him, if Sully can board he has to get minutes.

     
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    In response to snakeoil123's comment:
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    Bass can't rebound.  That's the biggest problem I have with him, if Sully can board he has to get minutes.

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     I think your right.  Sully should help the C's in the rebound  column.  Its obvious that he has a nose for the ball.  Thats something you don't teach.  He will get some shots blocked but his positives will more than make up for that.  There are going to be a lot of teams regret not taking Sully in the draft.  A lot of them.

     
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    Sullenger looks good so far in summer league and again yesterday, but will he be able to contain the other teams NBA starting power forward well enough to warrant a starting position at the beginning of the season.  If Lebron is playing power forward in the first game of the season, I don't think that Sullenger could hold him down at all.

    We all have to admit that we have only seen him so far against weaker individual opponents than he will see nightly as a starter in the NBA regular season.  With that said, I still think that he is going to be a real good pro player and will make solid contributions this season as a rookie.

     
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    Sully is a big, physical, highly skilled shooter, and inside maneuvering scorer. His width gives him the space to be a significant rebounder and helps in getting his shots off down low. With Sully, KG, PP, R9R, JET, and a bench that is likely the most talented in the league, WE ARE SET! AB will be a high energy, D-specialist, who will give us the player who makes Ray Ray look like an old man when he takes him out of the game in the Play-offs. We are looking good!

     

     
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    Way too early to be pronouncing Sullinger as even being a rotation guy - let alone starting, though I will say I too like his hands, awareness around the hoop, touch inside, and his best skill, which is his nose for the ball/rebounding. With that said, no vertical at all, which is going to present realy challenges both getting off shots and defending against athletic 4s, of which there are a lot of in today's NBA. The Celtics have correctly guarded against the unpredictability of rookie perfromance by bolstering their ranks with enough big guys to be ok if Sullinger can't hang. The rookie also has obvious stamina issues right now (as much as anyone on the court he was dragging during the Turkey game), though he seemed to have lost a few pounds from the rookie league. I also thought he was moving better on defense and did not look as lost as he did at times during the rookie league. He was making a real effort to communicate and play team D - the guy obviously has a good head for the game and seems like a very mature player for a rookie.  Obviously Bass has a huge defiency and that is - he doesn't rebound well for someone of his size. Bass looks like he'd be a physical player, but is simply too inactive on the boards. However, he is also a legit rotation guy on a good team and can get you 10-14 points a game within the flow of the offense and guard his position. He's careful with the ball and plays within the confines of the system. His skills or importance should not be written off. Don't get me wrong, I personally think that Sullinger playing at a high level might take this team up another notch. If this is the case they may still not have superstars on the level of Lebron; Durant, etc, but they will likely be the deepest team in the league. They're aren't many teams that can boast a roster that is legitimately 10-11 deep and with Sullinger they could send Bradley, Pierce, Rondo, Terry, Green, Bass, Sullinger, Garnett, Lee, Darko, and Wilcox at people in waves. That's a better team than Chicago with Rose or Indiana or anyone else who isn't Miami and OKC. LA, of course, is the wild card. Scary starting line-up and absolutely no depth.  

     
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    Sullenger looks good so far in summer league and again yesterday, but will he be able to contain the other teams NBA starting power forward well enough to warrant a starting position at the beginning of the season.  If Lebron is playing power forward in the first game of the season, I don't think that Sullenger could hold him down at all.

    We all have to admit that we have only seen him so far against weaker individual opponents than he will see nightly as a starter in the NBA regular season.  With that said, I still think that he is going to be a real good pro player and will make solid contributions this season as a rookie.

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    How will Sully stack up against top talent at 4?  Immaterial question.  The material question is if he is better than Bass?

    Right now Sully's competition is Bass.  Despite everything that Bass contributed last year, his contributions to team defense and rebounding left a lot to be desired.  Can Sully be a better defender than Bass?  Possibly a better team defender and a weaker one-on-one defender.  Rebounder? Yes. Scorer?  Definitely yes.  Chemistry contributor?  Bass has a season on Sullinger but I expect Sullinger to figure it out soon.

    I would like Doc to start Sully and roll with the punches.

     
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    Sullinger has looked good to date... size is a factor but not as big as many poi9nt out.. Position and skills can overcome much of the height /vertical limitations and Sullinger looks like hes already conquered those issues at every level.

     

    We'd all like to see him play a bunch of NBA games to feel more comfortable with him but at this stage I believe he can contribute to the C's this season.  Only issue as with every new player on the team (vets included) is picking up the system. That's something we just dont know about.

    I love players like Sullinger so I hope DOc teaches him well... HE fits the bill of a PF who rebounds on both ends of the court and has a post game and nice touch/hands

     

     
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    I agree that you can't start remaking the lineup after one preseason game,on the road ,in the middle east and with a different set of rules against a team that is the favorite to win the Euro league. Sullinger looks good no doubt. He has that Moses Malone touch and positioning around the rim and always has a body on him within 5 feet of the basket which I really like. Bass had an off night but he is a consistant player and has a diiferent role than Sullinger as he draws 4s out of their comfort zone with his shooting. Bass really needs to be more aggressive and look to go to the basket off the dribble,but had a hard time adjusting to the lack of a defensive 3 second rule as we did as a team. I think this morning we will see a better effort as a unit in Milan. Bass and Sullinger are both going to get PT. I'm thinking they may get a lot of time together lining up as 2 41/2s when KG sits. The important thing is with this group of players we can really adjust and throw out many different lineups and with that much verstility it will probably take a little bit longer to get on the same page with each other. 

     
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    Just letting things play out during the preseason.  I like what I see.  Lets see him against NBA players back in the states though.

     
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    This early in the year, it is too early to say one is better than the other.  They are different type players and bring different things to the table.  I like what Sullinger brings and I like Bass as well. Every time Bass shoots I believe it going in.

    I think that Sully playing with the starters has its advantages.  Sully likes to play down low, Bass doesn't.  With Bass on the court both KG and Bass play outside and we are definitely a outside shooting team.  With Sully , who likes it down low, he would fit in good with KG's game. We would have that guy working for the offensive rebound. Sullinger will get a lot of shots blocked, kind of like Davis, but I think he will figure it out pretty quick on what he can do and what he can't do, and the blocks will slowly get reduced.

    Bass would be basically the same player with the second team except he probably wouldn't be quite as productive.  He gets a lot of open shots due to who he is playing with.  Rondo, the main reason.  Hopefully Bass could still get the same type of shots with just a little bit of Rondo dishing,.

     
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    Re: Sullinger is better than Bass....

    Sully has a lot bigger upside as well.  ( he has a lot bigger backside also)

     
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    Sully has a lot bigger upside as well.  ( he has a lot bigger backside also)

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    good point re. sullinger being more of a post player and that is a consideration in terms of being a compliment to KG. think regardless of who is on the court with KG the celts shuld make more of an effort to run more halfcourt sets that feature garnett in the post. he's more effective with a more varied game and the celtics are a more dangerous team when this is the case. yes, he struggles down low sometimes due to older legs and a lack of strength, but he can be so effective with those 5 foot turnarounds. having a deep team and cutting his minutes as they did last year might be a key to him being fresh enough to attack the basket. 

    personally, I like scalabrine and donny marshall. scalabrine seems to be wiling to talk more about inside stuff that you don't often hear from color guys. at this stage marshall is a better analyst and gives more info vis-a-vis what's actually happening on the court. both guys are a HUGe improvement over Heinson, who is out of touch with the game, ill-prepared for broadcasts, misses action on the court, mis-identifies players, scores, etc. and hould have retired 5 or even 10 years ago. 

     
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    I also like what sully brings to the table with his rebounding and post presence, but bass is a  solid player on BOTH the offensive and defensive end. The ? is how many rpg more can sully get you per game 1 more or 2 tops. I dont see him avg more than 7-8 rpg with similiar minutes (bass avgd 6.2), but then you lose bass's shooting and defense.  Its a tough call, I think bass is a better jump shooter and defender but Sully is a better rebounder and passer.  At the end of the day its irrelevant who the starter is cuz both  are gonna plenty of run at  20-25 mpg  each. So it doesnt really matter who the starter is. The better ? is who will CLOSE games. 

     

     
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