Re: Tainted Championship
posted at 7/29/2010 12:38 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Tainted Championship
In Response to Re: Tainted Championship : Let's be clear here. I started this thread and I never used the word conspiracy or rigging. So when you say "you guys" you are not being accurate. I think it was incompetence and if an honest discussion of the 4th quarter was actually held and not suppressed by Stern then maybe the league would be more likely to take steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. As I said, not only were the Celtics team and fans robbed, the Lakers and it's fans were robbed too by being denied a legitimate or controversy free title based on the quality of the play of their team. If this game was called evenly (competently) then the result in all likelihood would have been different. And all NBA fans were robbed as well. As I tried to articulate in my first post...there is a culture in fandom and sport which promotes the idea that a bad call to end an game or a few bad calls in a game are just the "breaks" and not worthy of more than a passing discussion. I am arguing that what we saw in game 7 rises above that to a level of incompetence so that the whole body of work we call the NBA "game" has been injured. Maybe it doesn't ever have to happen again. Maybe it doesn't matter what is written here but, then again, in the blogosphere there is already much being written and I suspect that in the coming years this game and the incompetent refereeing will be mentioned again and again. If there is a conspiracy, which I doubt, then it should be exposed. But what is worse a conspiracy or systematic incompetence in the NBA? Isn't the NBA really about the fans? And aren't we entitled to compentence, especially in a game so important to us as the 7th game of the Championship series? Isn't Stern's suppression of any discussion of the incompetence of the refs bad for the game in certain instances? Like this one. This whole thread is wrapped around the idea that the fans deserve better than they got. The Lakers deserved better and certainly the Celtics deserved better. If we can't get it then maybe we should rethink the level of interest and importance we should willing to append to the sport. The WWF is still popular and maybe the NBA can remain popular in the same vein. For me a person who has loved the sport since childhood, and as a person who has always been part of the culture of not giving a bad call anything more than a passing reference to it being the "breaks", I think we have a responsibility to our sport to discuss this. I'm sorry if someone else doesn't but they are entitled to their opinion and don't have to read or participate in the discussion. As for their attempts to suppress it or their need to discuss whether it is appropriate to complain about the level of incompetence which generated the whole thing to begin with, maybe they should start a new thread to talk about that. A good reputation is the only thing we really have to lose and once lost is very very difficult to regain.
Posted by gtown07
This post was started by this person(s) and 570 or so posts later with much rehashing of statistics, egregious phantom fouls, non call fouls, disparity in fouls, I found the text explanation of the results of Game 7 just as insightful and, perhaps more so, in this current post many weeks later.
I am not one who ever said there was a conspiracy, fix etc. Face it, if the refs bet on the game, they still did not allow the Lakers to beat the 7 1/2 pt Vegas spread. I commented a few times that it was the unhappiest $100.00 I ever won. In no way do I compare this to the tragedy of 9/11. The outcome was not life & death. As a child I would lose sleep for days when the Celtics or Red Sox lost. And as a senior, I've realized it's only a game & there are many more important things in life but I did toss & turn for a few nights very unhappy. But as we say re: 9/11, Let's not ever forget !!! The game was, unquestionably, decided by, if not crooked refs, incompetent ones and in an important game 7 yet and some acknowledgement from the league regarding this might ease the wounds of some Celtic fans and put this issue at least a bit to rest.
I agree with the post that not only did the Celtics get cheated but the Laker fans & all NBA fans did too. How can the Lakers be proud of a team that shot 32%(we shot 40%), their guy who walks on water shot 6-24 (25%) and they shot 25-37(68%) foul shots & we 15-17(88%) and with their extra 10 points they needed 20 fouls shots or 50% to do it-pretty pathetic for a championship team-seems our defense was pretty good too at the foul line ! It really would have been interesting to have read the LA Sports writers comments on Kobe's 25% and the team's 32% had they lost !!!
Now, and I've said this before, you can or cannot accept my word for this, but had the Celtics won by 4pts with the same statistics as the Lakers, I would as a fan naturally been happy BUT I WOULD HAVE CONSIDERED US EXTREMELY LUCKY THAT THE REFS FAVORED US !!! AND THAT'S THE TRUTH !!!
Many Lakers are still whining about 2008. When your team loses in 6( not 7 by 4 pts with above difference in stats) by 39 points, that is total domination. If we had lost game 7 similar to the Lakers dominating game 6, I think we'd have felt "YUP, they're the better team".
Anyway, read gtown07's post again, it is an accurate explanation of why the true basketball world got cheated...Amen !!!