Re: Tainted Championship
posted at 8/15/2010 1:58 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Tainted Championship
In Response to Re: Tainted Championship : I am in total agreement with you that the Tainted Title is not the fault of the Laker Team and the Laker Fans. Also, you have very astutely said that the comments from trolls is to be expected and you find them more humorous than offensive and that their continuance is an indication of confirmation that the title is questionable. As I am of Italian decent, I'm a bit more emotional, although I agree the Refs are solely at fault for the title being tainted, I got suckered into some verbal/text combat with some Lakers fans with more details of the results of the Refs' incompetence regarding the disparity in fouls, phantom fouls, non call fouls, non call traveling etc. etc. as I stupidly wanted to try and convince some/any Laker fans that it was the Refs & not their superior team that beat us. Again, as opposed to you, logical & rational about you being focused solely on the tainted title caused by the refs' incompetence, I needed vent and have a catharsis of pent up adverse emotions regarding the loss & manner in which the game was taken from us by citing the details that many, many other posters had done. I guess what I was seeking was even one LA fan, as I said in a few posts that had the Celtics won in the same manner, I would have been pleased but would have acknowledged that it was strongly accomplished by help from the refs. In fact, I wouldn't have been pleased they did it as I would have preferred the game judged fairly so that the losing team could confirm wholeheartedly they were beaten by a better team as we did in Game 6 in 2008 by 39 points and as the Lakers did to us in Game 6 of this series(had this been game 7 there would never have been this thread). Greenkillme, I've copied & pasted from a couple of my posts where within in red text I cite Referee incompetence. The rest, of course, is a bit of my emotional ranting...Mea Culpa !!! "Regarding continuing this post and claims that we are whining, crying and should just man up to we got beat by a better team and that many Celtic fans have accepted the loss except for a few of us continuing this thread, they have a right to move on and we have a right to continue to vent what we consider an injustice. You Laker fans who continue here to tell us to own up that your team was better and that we should accept this and let it go. Why don't you let it go ? Is somebody holding a gun to your head to continue on this board ? No, what it is and you won't admit it, if you are truly NBA fans, is that you have GUILTY CONSCIENCES !!! And if you say, no, get off the board & leave us to our venting which will hopefully get Stern & officials to delve further into our many claims of maybe not a conspiracy or fix, but just a horrific example of poor referring in a vital game 7. I've lived in SF past 40 years( New England for 21) and am a Boston teams fan. The locals here have the same competition with Giants-Dodgers, A's -Angels, Warriors-Lakers, Stanford, Cal-USC, UCLA etc. as we do the Celtics-Lakers, Red Sox-Yankees etc. I would estimate that at least 75% of No. Cal fans root for Boston teams vs. LA. You can't imagine how many agree we were robbed !!! So Laker trolls...take your tainted trophy & stuff it. I reiterate that no one forces you to be on this board so if you don't like what you read & it bothers your consciences as it should, stay away !!! I am not one who ever said there was a conspiracy, fix etc. Face it, if the refs bet on the game, they still did not allow the Lakers to beat the 7 1/2 pt Vegas spread. I commented a few times that it was the unhappiest $100.00 I ever won. In no way do I compare this to the tragedy of 9/11. The outcome was not life & death. As a child I would lose sleep for days when the Celtics or Red Sox lost. And as a senior, I've realized it's only a game & there are many more important things in life but I did toss & turn for a few nights very unhappy. But as we say re: 9/11, Let's not ever forget !!! The game was, unquestionably, decided by, if not crooked refs, incompetent ones and in an important game 7 and some acknowledgement fro the league regarding this might ease the wounds of some Celtic fans and put this issue, at least, to rest. I agree with another's post that not only did the Celtics get cheated but the Laker fans & all NBA fans as well. How can the Lakers be proud of a team that shot 32%(we shot 40%), their guy who walks on water shot 6-24 (25%) and they shot 25-37(68%) foul shots & we 15-17(88%) and with their extra 10 points they needed 20 fouls shots or 50% to do it-pretty pathetic for a championship team-seems our defense was pretty good too at the foul line ! It really would have been interesting to have read the LA Sports writers comments on Kobe's 25% and the team's 32% had they lost !!!"
Posted by mandobello
Wow! So many sour grapes on this thread, do you guys want any cheese with tha t whine? For every bad call against the Celtics in that series, there was a bad call against the Lakers. Watch the games again, and if you deny that fact, you're just showing your ignorance as a basketball fan. It all came down to determination and effort on the players parts. The Lakers just refused to be denied. Like Shaq said, he's played with a lot of great players over the years, but when Kobe decides that he's gonna win, there's not a whole lot anybody can do about it.
I'm not saying there weren't bad calls against the Celtics, I'm just saying that there were just as many against the Lakers, particularly in game 2 when the ball clearly went out of bounds on Garnett (BTW, Van Gundy and Jackson said the same thing), and even after reviewing the play, the officials gave the ball to the Celtics. That play literally cost the Lakers the game, had they received the ball as they should have, they would have had a chance to tie on the next possesion, instead the Celtics scored making it a 5 point game with less than a minute and a half left. The fact that the Lakers were resilient enough to come into a hostile environment at the Garden and take game 3, is a testament to the fact that they have the heart of a champion. This clip pretty much sums it up:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hShtVQxuJQ