Terry vs. Ray

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    Re: Terry vs. Ray

    RS is over. Let us back up the opinions with facts. The good thing, both played almost identical amount of games and minutes.

    Terry:

    GP MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG BLKPG STLPG PFPG TOPG PPG PER

    79 26.9 .434 .372 .870   2.0 2.5   0.1     0.8      1.4    1.3   10.1 12.8

    Allen:

    78 25.8 .449 .419 .886 2.8 1.7   0.2     0.8     1.6     1.3  10.9 14.8

    Over the season Allen was the better player in almost all categories. The only reson why the margin isn't much bigger, is the terrible slump of Ray in february when he had the flu and foot soreness.

    But let us look at some wildcards:

    Who came up big in the 4th quarter of close games more often? Ray by a landslide. Might be sth like 20-3? Even FIerce had to give some credit to Ray when he came up and created the last shoot for Bosh.

    Who would have been better salary cap wise? Ray again!

    Ok, but Ray can only shoot threes and only cause he has James giving him open looks, right? No, WRONG! He came up big when the stars were out and was even a facilator. Some comments from ESPN:

    MVP: Ray Allen played the role of creator with LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh out. In 33 minutes off the bench, Allen scored 23 points but went only 1-for-7 from deep. His teammates picked up the slack by going a combined 16-for-34 from long distance.

    Ray Allen 8-18 FG | 6-7 FT | 6 REB | 4 AST | 23 PTS

    With four starters out, Ray Allen stepped up and turned back the clock to his early days as one of the best attacking guards in the league. He struggled with his long-distance stroke, but Allen delivered one of his most complete games of the season. His ability to make plays off the dribble allowed the Heat's supporting cast to complete arguably their most rewarding victory of the season.

    Neither team led by double digits until the Heat went ahead 98-88 with 2:53 remaining, with a three-point play and a 3-pointer by Allen keying the decisive run.

    Case closed and it was an easy choice.

     

     
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    Re: Terry vs. Ray

    They are both just average players at this point.

    Neither one would make a difference for this years Celtics team.

     
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    Re: Terry vs. Ray

    Gotta add my 2 cents ... hate to say it, but Terry hasn't won a game for us. You KNOW Ray would have absolutely won us multiple games as he had the last five years. To that point, JET has been a dissapointment. He needs to get hot in the playoffs. TURN THOSE JETS ON!!

     
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    Re: Terry vs. Ray

    Season for the C's is over:

    Let us close the case about Terry and Ray:

     

    REGUAR SEASON:

    Ray better than Terry and the only reason why it is close was Ray's terrible slump early in the year. He made up for it, with multiple big 4th quarters and he came up BIG when Wade/James/Bosh were out.

    Terry:

    GP MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG BLKPG STLPG PFPG TOPG PPG PER

    79 26.9 .434 .372 .870 2.0 2.5 0.1 0.8 1.4 1.3 10.1 12.8

    Allen:

    78 25.8 .449 .419 .886 2.8 1.7 0.2 0.8 1.6 1.3 10.9 14.8

    PlayOffs:

    GP MIN FG% 3P%  FT%  REB AST BLK STL PF TO

    Terry

    6 31.5  .444 .441 .818  2.2 2.0 0.3 0.7 1.5 0.8 12.0

    Ray

    4 28.8 .467 .464 1.000 4.3 2.3 0.0 1.0 1.3 1.3 16.5

    More points, higher shooting percentage in all categories, twice the rebounding numbers, more assists and more total FTs in less minutes for Ray. 

    BUT as some people said: We also got Lee! IMO that has nothing to do with Terry and Ray cause we could have added Lee even more easy without giving the MLE to Terry but well. Lets check his stats:

    Lee - who even earned 2 DNPs:

    4 0 9.8   .200   .000   1.000 0.5 0.3 0.0 0.5 0.8 0.0 1.5

    That numbers are beyond terrible.

    Is there still anyone who thinks that we didn't miss Ray against NY? Anyone?

     
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    Re: Terry vs. Ray

    In response to Gasthoerer's comment:

    Season for the C's is over:

    Let us close the case about Terry and Ray:

     

    REGUAR SEASON:

    Ray better than Terry and the only reason why it is close was Ray's terrible slump early in the year. He made up for it, with multiple big 4th quarters and he came up BIG when Wade/James/Bosh were out.

    Terry:

    GP MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG BLKPG STLPG PFPG TOPG PPG PER

    79 26.9 .434 .372 .870 2.0 2.5 0.1 0.8 1.4 1.3 10.1 12.8

    Allen:

    78 25.8 .449 .419 .886 2.8 1.7 0.2 0.8 1.6 1.3 10.9 14.8

    PlayOffs:

    GP MIN FG% 3P%  FT%  REB AST BLK STL PF TO

    Terry

    6 31.5  .444 .441 .818  2.2 2.0 0.3 0.7 1.5 0.8 12.0

    Ray

    4 28.8 .467 .464 1.000 4.3 2.3 0.0 1.0 1.3 1.3 16.5

    More points, higher shooting percentage in all categories, twice the rebounding numbers, more assists and more total FTs in less minutes for Ray. 

    BUT as some people said: We also got Lee! IMO that has nothing to do with Terry and Ray cause we could have added Lee even more easy without giving the MLE to Terry but well. Lets check his stats:

    Lee - who even earned 2 DNPs:

    4 0 9.8   .200   .000   1.000 0.5 0.3 0.0 0.5 0.8 0.0 1.5

    That numbers are beyond terrible.

    Is there still anyone who thinks that we didn't miss Ray against NY? Anyone?



    I do believe that the Celtics miss Ray Allen but he wasn't going to resign with the Celtics.  They offered him more money than he is currently earning with Miami but he probably already decided to leave even before the season ended last year. 

     
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