Thanks for Trying

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    Thanks for Trying

    http://www.celticslife.com/2014/08/celtics-owner-were-going-to-have-to-go.html


    I said we’d try for fireworks and we tried. I’m reasonably content that first of all we tried as hard as we could and second of all we added some good pieces. But we have maintained our draft picks and we’ve maintained more building in the future as opposing to firing all the bullets now.


    We’re going to have to go the more patient route.


     


    Nice try, but apparently the Wolves didn't want to be the Santa Claus of the Boston Celtics.


    Just because the Celtic fans, the Celtic owner, and the Danny Ainge want to make a trade, it doesn't mean the other NBA teams will oblige.


    I think the lesson here for Wyc Grousbeck is more action and less talk.


     

     
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    This is the second time the last couple of years a team owner bragged about making a big move in the summer.

    Mark Cuban also thought he would end up with Dwight Howard and Deron Williams in the summer of 2012.

     

    Maybe some of the fans here won't admit to being disappointed.

    But I'm sure there are a lot of fans here who are disappointed that Kevin Love is not walking through that door this coming season.

     
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    In response to FierceBrand's comment:
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    This is the second time the last couple of years a team owner bragged about making a big move in the summer.

    Mark Cuban also thought he would end up with Dwight Howard and Deron Williams in the summer of 2012.

     

    Maybe some of the fans here won't admit to being disappointed.

    But I'm sure there are a lot of fans here who are disappointed that Kevin Love is not walking through that door this coming season.

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    kevin love is a guy who is paid right up to the gill for what he brings- which includes 60 games a year.  60.

    when was the last time loved toughed it out through a 7 game playoff series and won one for the gipper?

    i'm glad he's not here.  he's overpaid and under-durable.

    now if we can flush rondo out the back door for a stale sandwich and just start over.  ron dough WILL manage to stink up team chemistry and locker room atmosphere if he does not get max contracted by the celts for whatever ridiculous amount he thinks he's worth that he WILL NOT GET on the open market.  not even close.  maybe half

     
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    Thanks Daaaaaaannyyyyyyy...

     
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    Happy with what they have done, but would like to see more of last year's group moved out for future benefits.

     
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    In response to aciemvp's comment:
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    In response to FierceBrand's comment:
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    This is the second time the last couple of years a team owner bragged about making a big move in the summer.

    Mark Cuban also thought he would end up with Dwight Howard and Deron Williams in the summer of 2012.

     

    Maybe some of the fans here won't admit to being disappointed.

    But I'm sure there are a lot of fans here who are disappointed that Kevin Love is not walking through that door this coming season.

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    kevin love is a guy who is paid right up to the gill for what he brings- which includes 60 games a year.  60.

    when was the last time loved toughed it out through a 7 game playoff series and won one for the gipper?

    i'm glad he's not here.  he's overpaid and under-durable.

    now if we can flush rondo out the back door for a stale sandwich and just start over.  ron dough WILL manage to stink up team chemistry and locker room atmosphere if he does not get max contracted by the celts for whatever ridiculous amount he thinks he's worth that he WILL NOT GET on the open market.  not even close.  maybe half

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    you complain about not seeing a guys toughness and grit through a playoff series, then in the next sentence bash and call to get rid of a guy who has shown you everything you want to see in a playoff series time and time again?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?id=6505136

    LOL.

     
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    Happy with what they have done, but would like to see more of last year's group moved out for future benefits.

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    Agree.

     
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    In order to rebuild, you have to start to rebuild. The C's have a lot of draft picks and thats about it.

    To rebuild you have to clean house. Guys like ROndo just arent in the recipe for a rebuild imo.. especially if Danny will be so stupid to give him a max deal, that would be anti-rebuild. Ditto for Jeff Green, who has all the talent in the world but is content showing enough from time to time that GMs like Danny fall for it and sign him up big time. I fell for the Jeff Green slight of hand too..

     

     

     
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    "Disappointed" ??? Not so much. I would have liked to see Love in C's green, sure. But I also like having Smart in C's green as well. Would have preferred a quick turnaround, but the path of patience is fine by me too.

    I don't like Love going to Cleveland at all. Getting tired of these "super teams". That's the only reason why. And too, what in the world does Minny see in A. Bennett? Just cause he was a former #1 pic? I see this as Minny getting a conditional 1st rounder + Wiggins for Love. Is that the best they could get? If Wiggins doesn't meet expectations, this trade will go down as one of the worst ever. Huge gamble by the Wolves, IMO.

     
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    So many of these KIDS coming out of college have no clue about life let alone the NBA. Is it any wonder a team can invest a fortune on somebody who you wouldn't trust to mow your lawn the right way and then have those same teams bemoan the fact they did so as someone else's failure? Amazing stupidity to base your fortunes on a mere child who can barely speak English or properly endorse their own grotesquely huge paychecks.

    Get on the the build...draft well and pick guys who have a clue....forget the hyper talented head cases and gutless wonders and draft some solid people you can depend on when games are close and the crowds get loud away from home. Love? Forget him he wasn't going to bring you a championship anyways. If you aren't old enough to remember what it was like to be in the finals almost every year roll off because simply getting into the playoffs and cheering dunks is NOT Celtic basketball.

     
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    In response to JamezHill's comment:
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    In response to aciemvp's comment:
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    In response to FierceBrand's comment:
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    This is the second time the last couple of years a team owner bragged about making a big move in the summer.

    Mark Cuban also thought he would end up with Dwight Howard and Deron Williams in the summer of 2012.

     

    Maybe some of the fans here won't admit to being disappointed.

    But I'm sure there are a lot of fans here who are disappointed that Kevin Love is not walking through that door this coming season.

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    kevin love is a guy who is paid right up to the gill for what he brings- which includes 60 games a year.  60.

    when was the last time loved toughed it out through a 7 game playoff series and won one for the gipper?

    i'm glad he's not here.  he's overpaid and under-durable.

    now if we can flush rondo out the back door for a stale sandwich and just start over.  ron dough WILL manage to stink up team chemistry and locker room atmosphere if he does not get max contracted by the celts for whatever ridiculous amount he thinks he's worth that he WILL NOT GET on the open market.  not even close.  maybe half

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    you complain about not seeing a guys toughness and grit through a playoff series, then in the next sentence bash and call to get rid of a guy who has shown you everything you want to see in a playoff series time and time again?

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    +1!!!

    Lets add Gondo to the roster next time we get to the PO's....

    ....if he is available....

    ...and if he will take vet's minimum.

    LA's loss.... Beantown's gain.

    Pud

     
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    Nice try, but apparently the Wolves didn't want to be the Santa Claus of the Boston Celtics.

     

    Just because the Celtic fans, the Celtic owner, and the Danny Ainge want to make a trade, it doesn't mean the other NBA teams will oblige.

     

     

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    LOL!!!

    How many times you gonna post that ridiculous comment?

    Here, look at what Minny did with what they got from us for KG ... It's shocking to say the least how they traded their way out of good talent to bad. They have nobody, least of all the C's, to blame for their short comings.

    From HoopsRumors:

    One telling fact about how poorly the trade worked out for Minnesota, is that not one of the original players or draftees are still with the team. Let’s take a look at what each player provided the Wolves and where they ended up.

    Ryan Gomes spent three seasons in Minnesota, where he was primarily a starter. His season averages were:

    2007/08=12.6 PPG, 5.8 RPG, and 1.8 APG. His slash line was .457/.330/.830.
    2008/09=13.3 PPG, 4.8 RPG, and 1.6 APG. His slash line was .431/.372/.807.
    2009/10=10.9 PPG, 4.6 RPG, and 1.6 APG. His slash line was .447/.372/.825.

    In June of 2010, Gomes was traded to the Trail Blazers along with the draft rights to Luke Babbitt for Martell Webster. Gomes was subsequently waived by Portland. In his two seasons in Minnesota, Webster averaged 8.3 PPG and 3.4 RPG.

    Theo Ratliff didn’t provide much for the Wolves, appearing in only ten games during the 2007/08 season, averaging 6.3 PPG and 3.9 RPG. Ratliff was waived in February of 2008 and then finished that season with the Pistons.

    The Wolves used the 2009 first rounder they acquired from Boston to select Wayne Ellington with the No. 28 pick. Ellington never developed into the scoring threat the team had hoped he’d become. His season averages with Minnesota were:

    2009/10=6.6 PPG, 2.1 RPG, and 1.0 APG. His slash line was .424/.395/.871.
    2010/11=6.6 PPG, 1.7 RPG, and 1.2 APG. His slash line was .403/.397/.792.
    2011/12=6.1 PPG, 1.9 RPG, and 0.6 APG. His slash line was .404/.324/.800.

    Ellington’s time in Minnesota came to an end when he was dealt to the Grizzlies for Dante Cunningham, in July of 2012. In two seasons with the Wolves, Cunningham has averaged 7.5 PPG.

    Sebastian Telfair had his two best seasons as a pro while with the Wolves. Telfair had entered the NBA out of high school, and never realized his potential. He was one of the pieces Minnesota had hoped would energize the franchise, but poor shooting and on-court decision-making have always hampered his game. Telfair then became a part of the revolving door of point guards the Wolves have either drafted or traded for since the Garnett deal. Telfair’s season averages in Minnesota were:

    2007/08=9.3 PPG, 2.3 RPG, and 5.9 APG. His slash line was .401/.281/.743.
    2008/09=9.8 PPG, 1.7 RPG, and 4.6 APG. His slash line was .383/.346/.819.

    The Wolves re-signed Telfair to a three-year, $7.5MM deal after the 2007/08 season, but then Minnesota selected both Jonny Flynn and Ricky Rubio in the 2009 NBA Draft, thus making Telfair expendable. He was dealt along with Craig Smith and Mark Madsen to the Clippers, in return Minnesota received Quentin Richardson. A few weeks later, Richardson was dealt to the Heat for Mark Blount. Blount never played a game for Minnesota, and was waived the following March.

    The selection of Jonny Flynn with the No. 6 pick in the 2009 NBA Draft was a head-scratcher for many. Not because of Flynn’s talent level, but because the Wolves had just selected Ricky Rubio with the No. 5 pick. The franchise knew there was a better than average chance that it would be a few seasons before Rubio would make the jump from international competition to the NBA, but when selecting that high, redundancies can severely hinder a franchise.

    At the risk of making Timberwolves fans even more upset, look at who they passed on to select Flynn. Available at the time were Stephen Curry, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, Brandon Jennings, and Darren Collison. All have had better career numbers than Flynn.

    Here’s what Flynn provided during his two seasons in Minnesota:

    2009/10=13.5 PPG, 2.4 RPG, and 4.4 APG. His shooting numbers were .417/.358/.826.
    2010/11=5.3 PPG, 1.5 RPG, and 3.4 APG. His slash line was .365/.310/.762.

    Flynn’s tenure came to an end with a trade during the 2011 NBA Draft. This transaction is a bit complicated to break down since it set off a number of subsequent deals. Here’s the chain of events that resulted:

    Flynn was traded to the Rockets along with the rights to Donatas Motiejunas for Brad Miller; the rights to No. 23 pick Nikola Mirotic; a second-rounder (No. 38); and a 2013 first round pick (Andre Roberson). The Rockets would later buy back the No.38 pick from the Wolves. And whom did they select with that pick? Chandler Parsons. Ouch!
    The Wolves then dealt the rights to Mirotic to the Bulls for the rights to No. 28 pick Norris Cole and the No. 43 pick in the draft (Malcolm Lee).
    Then Minnesota dealt Cole to the Heat for the No. 31 pick (Bojan Bogdanovic); a future second-rounder; and cash.
    Bogdanovic was later traded to the Nets for a 2013 second-rounder (Lorenzo Brown) and cash.

    Gerald Green was another player who entered the league right out of high school. He has always had amazing athletic ability, but hasn’t been able to translate that into the production expected of him, with the exception of the 2013/14 campaign he spent with the Suns.

    Green found himself buried on the bench behind numerous players, and only appeared in 29 games for the Wolves during the 2007/08 season, averaging 5.1 PPG on 33.1% shooting. He asked for a trade via his agent, which the Wolves granted.

    On February 21, 2008, Green was dealt to the Rockets for Kirk Snyder; a 2010 second-rounder (used to select Paulao Prestes); and cash. Prestes never played in the NBA, and Snyder spent one season in Minnesota, averaging 8.4 PPG and 4.2 RPG. That was Snyder’s last year in the NBA, and he’s been playing overseas since then.

    Lastly, I come to Al Jefferson, who was the most productive player that Minnesota acquired. Jefferson passed up the chance to test out restricted free agency, and in November 2007, he inked a five-year, $65MM extension with the Wolves. While it didn’t translate into wins, Jefferson did provide the franchise with some excellent numbers.

    2007/08=21.0 PPG, 11.1 RPG, and 1.5 BPG. His slash line was .500/.000/.721.
    2008/09=23.1 PPG, 11.0 RPG, and 1.7 BPG. His slash line was .497/.000/.738.
    2009/10=17.1 PPG, 9.3 RPG, and 1.3 BPG. His slash line was .498/.000/.680.

    It could be argued that based on pure stats, Jefferson almost made up for Garnett’s departure offensively. But on the defensive, intangibles, and leadership fronts, it wasn’t possible to recoup what “The Big Ticket” provided.

    Jefferson’s tenure in Minnesota came to an end on July 13, 2010, when he was dealt to the Jazz for Kosta Koufos; a 2011 first rounder (used to select Motiejunas) and a 2012 first round pick. The 2012 first-rounder was subsequently traded to the Rockets for Chase Budinger and the rights to Lior Eliyahu, and Houston used the pick to select Terrence Jones. Eliyahu has never played in the league, and in two seasons with Minnesota, Budinger has averaged 8.0 PPG.

     

    Minny shouldn't worry about being anyone's Santa Claus, Mr Fungus ... Their brain-trust has proven to be their very own "Grinch Who Stole Christmas."

    Try again ....

     
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    So many of these KIDS coming out of college have no clue about life let alone the NBA. Is it any wonder a team can invest a fortune on somebody who you wouldn't trust to mow your lawn the right way and then have those same teams bemoan the fact they did so as someone else's failure? Amazing stupidity to base your fortunes on a mere child who can barely speak English or properly endorse their own grotesquely huge paychecks.

    Get on the the build...draft well and pick guys who have a clue....forget the hyper talented head cases and gutless wonders and draft some solid people you can depend on when games are close and the crowds get loud away from home. Love? Forget him he wasn't going to bring you a championship anyways. If you aren't old enough to remember what it was like to be in the finals almost every year roll off because simply getting into the playoffs and cheering dunks is NOT Celtic basketball.

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    The post is a notable occasion on the board in which the hammer has squarely hit the nail. Unproven players, no matter what "talent" they bring into the League, are still unknowns in regard to how they'll handle themselves and the rigors and demands of  professional basketball. Rarely have kids who are 18, 19, or 20 gotten up to speed at all, let alone become legitimate stars. We can all cite the exceptions, but in the main, kids a year or less out of high school are always iffy.  I've been amused in the last few years pre-draft periods about the questions posed about the age of some players who have chosen to stay in school for four years, as if 23 is old and as if playing (and becoming a leader) is somehow harmful to a player's development as he gets more coaching and experience.  For every KG there are 10 Jonathan Benders - players whose physical tools should but don't make them solid players. And, I can't seem to find any kids who are willing to mow lawns let alone do it well enough - even their own family's lawn! Snow shoveling and mowing - guaranteed cash for which kids won't make the effort and a minor effort at that. 

     
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    It's difficult to feel good about how this offseason has gone, with the exception of Marcus Smart and gaining an additional first rounder from the Cavs. The roster hasn't been appreciably improved, and any organic growth will come from the improvement of Sullinger and Olynyk, and the return to health of Rondo. Not sure that's enough for a playoff spot.

     

    June 17, 2008
    Boston 131
    L.A. Lakers 92
     
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    you complain about not seeing a guys toughness and grit through a playoff series, then in the next sentence bash and call to get rid of a guy who has shown you everything you want to see in a playoff series time and time again?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?id=6505136" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?id=6505136

    LOL.

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    rondo has never given me what i want in a playoff series / playoff season.  that would be the basics.  45% or more field goals WITHOUT shirking taking the open shot, 75% free throws, honest defense (he used to be one of the biggest pests in the league but now favors el toro approach to pad the steals stats).  i always wanted rondo to take charge in crunch time and be able to do everything a tiny archibald used to do- draw fouls, and go to the line and make the freebie. 

    still waiting.  those are not outrageous expectations.  rondo has the skills to score 20 a night and not just be a stat mill.  he could be ALL NBA DEFENSE in a meaningful way, not just because he averages 2 swipes a game.  they don't compile the 7 misses-on-steals a game and how that affects our already miserable paint defense by rondo's man charging to the bucket unguarded

     
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    So many of these KIDS coming out of college have no clue about life let alone the NBA. Is it any wonder a team can invest a fortune on somebody who you wouldn't trust to mow your lawn the right way and then have those same teams bemoan the fact they did so as someone else's failure? Amazing stupidity to base your fortunes on a mere child who can barely speak English or properly endorse their own grotesquely huge paychecks.

    Get on the the build...draft well and pick guys who have a clue....forget the hyper talented head cases and gutless wonders and draft some solid people you can depend on when games are close and the crowds get loud away from home. Love? Forget him he wasn't going to bring you a championship anyways. If you aren't old enough to remember what it was like to be in the finals almost every year roll off because simply getting into the playoffs and cheering dunks is NOT Celtic basketball.

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    The post is a notable occasion on the board in which the hammer has squarely hit the nail. Unproven players, no matter what "talent" they bring into the League, are still unknowns in regard to how they'll handle themselves and the rigors and demands of  professional basketball. Rarely have kids who are 18, 19, or 20 gotten up to speed at all, let alone become legitimate stars. We can all cite the exceptions, but in the main, kids a year or less out of high school are always iffy.  I've been amused in the last few years pre-draft periods about the questions posed about the age of some players who have chosen to stay in school for four years, as if 23 is old and as if playing (and becoming a leader) is somehow harmful to a player's development as he gets more coaching and experience.  For every KG there are 10 Jonathan Benders - players whose physical tools should but don't make them solid players. And, I can't seem to find any kids who are willing to mow lawns let alone do it well enough - even their own family's lawn! Snow shoveling and mowing - guaranteed cash for which kids won't make the effort and a minor effort at that. 

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    i see your jonathan bender and raise you one brad sellers

     
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    So many of these KIDS coming out of college have no clue about life let alone the NBA. Is it any wonder a team can invest a fortune on somebody who you wouldn't trust to mow your lawn the right way and then have those same teams bemoan the fact they did so as someone else's failure? Amazing stupidity to base your fortunes on a mere child who can barely speak English or properly endorse their own grotesquely huge paychecks.

    Get on the the build...draft well and pick guys who have a clue....forget the hyper talented head cases and gutless wonders and draft some solid people you can depend on when games are close and the crowds get loud away from home. Love? Forget him he wasn't going to bring you a championship anyways. If you aren't old enough to remember what it was like to be in the finals almost every year roll off because simply getting into the playoffs and cheering dunks is NOT Celtic basketball.

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    + 1 .Spot on comment.

     
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    "Disappointed" ??? Not so much. I would have liked to see Love in C's green, sure. But I also like having Smart in C's green as well. Would have preferred a quick turnaround, but the path of patience is fine by me too.


    I don't like Love going to Cleveland at all. Getting tired of these "super teams". That's the only reason why. And too, what in the world does Minny see in A. Bennett? Just cause he was a former #1 pic? I see this as Minny getting a conditional 1st rounder + Wiggins for Love. Is that the best they could get? If Wiggins doesn't meet expectations, this trade will go down as one of the worst ever. Huge gamble by the Wolves, IMO.




    Love probably would have signed with the Celtics if LeBron had decided to stay in Miami.  I do agree with you about Bennett.  He was a bad # 1 pick by Cleveland.  Wiggins should be a good player but I definitely don't think this is a good trade for Minnesota.   I don't like the idea of super teams either but I am very happy that the big 3 in Miami won't exist next season.  I couldn't stand that team and even though they may be a playoff team, they will probably be the 5th or 6th best team in the Eastern Conference.  As a Boston fan who has seen our local teams win many championships in the last decade, I would love to see Cleveland finally win a championship.  They haven't won a championship in 50 years in any sport.  

     
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    Nice try, but apparently the Wolves didn't want to be the Santa Claus of the Boston Celtics.

     

    Just because the Celtic fans, the Celtic owner, and the Danny Ainge want to make a trade, it doesn't mean the other NBA teams will oblige.

     

     

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    LOL!!!

    How many times you gonna post that ridiculous comment?

    Here, look at what Minny did with what they got from us for KG ... It's shocking to say the least how they traded their way out of good talent to bad. They have nobody, least of all the C's, to blame for their short comings.

    From HoopsRumors:

    One telling fact about how poorly the trade worked out for Minnesota, is that not one of the original players or draftees are still with the team. Let’s take a look at what each player provided the Wolves and where they ended up.

    Ryan Gomes spent three seasons in Minnesota, where he was primarily a starter. His season averages were:

    2007/08=12.6 PPG, 5.8 RPG, and 1.8 APG. His slash line was .457/.330/.830.
    2008/09=13.3 PPG, 4.8 RPG, and 1.6 APG. His slash line was .431/.372/.807.
    2009/10=10.9 PPG, 4.6 RPG, and 1.6 APG. His slash line was .447/.372/.825.

    In June of 2010, Gomes was traded to the Trail Blazers along with the draft rights to Luke Babbitt for Martell Webster. Gomes was subsequently waived by Portland. In his two seasons in Minnesota, Webster averaged 8.3 PPG and 3.4 RPG.

    Theo Ratliff didn’t provide much for the Wolves, appearing in only ten games during the 2007/08 season, averaging 6.3 PPG and 3.9 RPG. Ratliff was waived in February of 2008 and then finished that season with the Pistons.

    The Wolves used the 2009 first rounder they acquired from Boston to select Wayne Ellington with the No. 28 pick. Ellington never developed into the scoring threat the team had hoped he’d become. His season averages with Minnesota were:

    2009/10=6.6 PPG, 2.1 RPG, and 1.0 APG. His slash line was .424/.395/.871.
    2010/11=6.6 PPG, 1.7 RPG, and 1.2 APG. His slash line was .403/.397/.792.
    2011/12=6.1 PPG, 1.9 RPG, and 0.6 APG. His slash line was .404/.324/.800.

    Ellington’s time in Minnesota came to an end when he was dealt to the Grizzlies for Dante Cunningham, in July of 2012. In two seasons with the Wolves, Cunningham has averaged 7.5 PPG.

    Sebastian Telfair had his two best seasons as a pro while with the Wolves. Telfair had entered the NBA out of high school, and never realized his potential. He was one of the pieces Minnesota had hoped would energize the franchise, but poor shooting and on-court decision-making have always hampered his game. Telfair then became a part of the revolving door of point guards the Wolves have either drafted or traded for since the Garnett deal. Telfair’s season averages in Minnesota were:

    2007/08=9.3 PPG, 2.3 RPG, and 5.9 APG. His slash line was .401/.281/.743.
    2008/09=9.8 PPG, 1.7 RPG, and 4.6 APG. His slash line was .383/.346/.819.

    The Wolves re-signed Telfair to a three-year, $7.5MM deal after the 2007/08 season, but then Minnesota selected both Jonny Flynn and Ricky Rubio in the 2009 NBA Draft, thus making Telfair expendable. He was dealt along with Craig Smith and Mark Madsen to the Clippers, in return Minnesota received Quentin Richardson. A few weeks later, Richardson was dealt to the Heat for Mark Blount. Blount never played a game for Minnesota, and was waived the following March.

    The selection of Jonny Flynn with the No. 6 pick in the 2009 NBA Draft was a head-scratcher for many. Not because of Flynn’s talent level, but because the Wolves had just selected Ricky Rubio with the No. 5 pick. The franchise knew there was a better than average chance that it would be a few seasons before Rubio would make the jump from international competition to the NBA, but when selecting that high, redundancies can severely hinder a franchise.

    At the risk of making Timberwolves fans even more upset, look at who they passed on to select Flynn. Available at the time were Stephen Curry, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, Brandon Jennings, and Darren Collison. All have had better career numbers than Flynn.

    Here’s what Flynn provided during his two seasons in Minnesota:

    2009/10=13.5 PPG, 2.4 RPG, and 4.4 APG. His shooting numbers were .417/.358/.826.
    2010/11=5.3 PPG, 1.5 RPG, and 3.4 APG. His slash line was .365/.310/.762.

    Flynn’s tenure came to an end with a trade during the 2011 NBA Draft. This transaction is a bit complicated to break down since it set off a number of subsequent deals. Here’s the chain of events that resulted:

    Flynn was traded to the Rockets along with the rights to Donatas Motiejunas for Brad Miller; the rights to No. 23 pick Nikola Mirotic; a second-rounder (No. 38); and a 2013 first round pick (Andre Roberson). The Rockets would later buy back the No.38 pick from the Wolves. And whom did they select with that pick? Chandler Parsons. Ouch!
    The Wolves then dealt the rights to Mirotic to the Bulls for the rights to No. 28 pick Norris Cole and the No. 43 pick in the draft (Malcolm Lee).
    Then Minnesota dealt Cole to the Heat for the No. 31 pick (Bojan Bogdanovic); a future second-rounder; and cash.
    Bogdanovic was later traded to the Nets for a 2013 second-rounder (Lorenzo Brown) and cash.

    Gerald Green was another player who entered the league right out of high school. He has always had amazing athletic ability, but hasn’t been able to translate that into the production expected of him, with the exception of the 2013/14 campaign he spent with the Suns.

    Green found himself buried on the bench behind numerous players, and only appeared in 29 games for the Wolves during the 2007/08 season, averaging 5.1 PPG on 33.1% shooting. He asked for a trade via his agent, which the Wolves granted.

    On February 21, 2008, Green was dealt to the Rockets for Kirk Snyder; a 2010 second-rounder (used to select Paulao Prestes); and cash. Prestes never played in the NBA, and Snyder spent one season in Minnesota, averaging 8.4 PPG and 4.2 RPG. That was Snyder’s last year in the NBA, and he’s been playing overseas since then.

    Lastly, I come to Al Jefferson, who was the most productive player that Minnesota acquired. Jefferson passed up the chance to test out restricted free agency, and in November 2007, he inked a five-year, $65MM extension with the Wolves. While it didn’t translate into wins, Jefferson did provide the franchise with some excellent numbers.

    2007/08=21.0 PPG, 11.1 RPG, and 1.5 BPG. His slash line was .500/.000/.721.
    2008/09=23.1 PPG, 11.0 RPG, and 1.7 BPG. His slash line was .497/.000/.738.
    2009/10=17.1 PPG, 9.3 RPG, and 1.3 BPG. His slash line was .498/.000/.680.

    It could be argued that based on pure stats, Jefferson almost made up for Garnett’s departure offensively. But on the defensive, intangibles, and leadership fronts, it wasn’t possible to recoup what “The Big Ticket” provided.

    Jefferson’s tenure in Minnesota came to an end on July 13, 2010, when he was dealt to the Jazz for Kosta Koufos; a 2011 first rounder (used to select Motiejunas) and a 2012 first round pick. The 2012 first-rounder was subsequently traded to the Rockets for Chase Budinger and the rights to Lior Eliyahu, and Houston used the pick to select Terrence Jones. Eliyahu has never played in the league, and in two seasons with Minnesota, Budinger has averaged 8.0 PPG.

     

    Minny shouldn't worry about being anyone's Santa Claus, Mr Fungus ... Their brain-trust has proven to be their very own "Grinch Who Stole Christmas."

    Try again ....

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    Yup

    Fierce is pathetic in his continued insistence that the Wolves owner didn't want to trade his current star to the same team he traded his last star to.

    First of all, it is about the best offer, not where an owner can stomach seeing someone play. 

    Maybe the Celtics had the best offer before the draft, but by waiting, Flip no doubt got the best offer he could in the end with #1 overall picks from two straight drafts.

    Assuming Glen Taylor is the petty vindictive person Fierce and unnamed sources claim he is, then wouldn't he prefer to see Love and Rondo struggle to get past the 2nd rd rather than pairing him with LeBron and almost guaranteeing that Love will join KG as a former Minny star winning a title elsewhere?

     

     
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    Re: Thanks for Trying

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    This is the second time the last couple of years a team owner bragged about making a big move in the summer.

    Mark Cuban also thought he would end up with Dwight Howard and Deron Williams in the summer of 2012.

     

    Maybe some of the fans here won't admit to being disappointed.

    But I'm sure there are a lot of fans here who are disappointed that Kevin Love is not walking through that door this coming season.

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    kevin love is a guy who is paid right up to the gill for what he brings- which includes 60 games a year.  60.

    when was the last time loved toughed it out through a 7 game playoff series and won one for the gipper?

    i'm glad he's not here.  he's overpaid and under-durable.

    now if we can flush rondo out the back door for a stale sandwich and just start over.  ron dough WILL manage to stink up team chemistry and locker room atmosphere if he does not get max contracted by the celts for whatever ridiculous amount he thinks he's worth that he WILL NOT GET on the open market.  not even close.  maybe half

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    you complain about not seeing a guys toughness and grit through a playoff series, then in the next sentence bash and call to get rid of a guy who has shown you everything you want to see in a playoff series time and time again?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?id=6505136" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?id=6505136

    LOL.

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    +1

     
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    Re: Thanks for Trying

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    Nice try, but apparently the Wolves didn't want to be the Santa Claus of the Boston Celtics.

     

    Just because the Celtic fans, the Celtic owner, and the Danny Ainge want to make a trade, it doesn't mean the other NBA teams will oblige.

     

     

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    LOL!!!

    How many times you gonna post that ridiculous comment?

    Here, look at what Minny did with what they got from us for KG ... It's shocking to say the least how they traded their way out of good talent to bad. They have nobody, least of all the C's, to blame for their short comings.

    From HoopsRumors:

    One telling fact about how poorly the trade worked out for Minnesota, is that not one of the original players or draftees are still with the team. Let’s take a look at what each player provided the Wolves and where they ended up.

    Ryan Gomes spent three seasons in Minnesota, where he was primarily a starter. His season averages were:

    2007/08=12.6 PPG, 5.8 RPG, and 1.8 APG. His slash line was .457/.330/.830.
    2008/09=13.3 PPG, 4.8 RPG, and 1.6 APG. His slash line was .431/.372/.807.
    2009/10=10.9 PPG, 4.6 RPG, and 1.6 APG. His slash line was .447/.372/.825.

    In June of 2010, Gomes was traded to the Trail Blazers along with the draft rights to Luke Babbitt for Martell Webster. Gomes was subsequently waived by Portland. In his two seasons in Minnesota, Webster averaged 8.3 PPG and 3.4 RPG.

    Theo Ratliff didn’t provide much for the Wolves, appearing in only ten games during the 2007/08 season, averaging 6.3 PPG and 3.9 RPG. Ratliff was waived in February of 2008 and then finished that season with the Pistons.

    The Wolves used the 2009 first rounder they acquired from Boston to select Wayne Ellington with the No. 28 pick. Ellington never developed into the scoring threat the team had hoped he’d become. His season averages with Minnesota were:

    2009/10=6.6 PPG, 2.1 RPG, and 1.0 APG. His slash line was .424/.395/.871.
    2010/11=6.6 PPG, 1.7 RPG, and 1.2 APG. His slash line was .403/.397/.792.
    2011/12=6.1 PPG, 1.9 RPG, and 0.6 APG. His slash line was .404/.324/.800.

    Ellington’s time in Minnesota came to an end when he was dealt to the Grizzlies for Dante Cunningham, in July of 2012. In two seasons with the Wolves, Cunningham has averaged 7.5 PPG.

    Sebastian Telfair had his two best seasons as a pro while with the Wolves. Telfair had entered the NBA out of high school, and never realized his potential. He was one of the pieces Minnesota had hoped would energize the franchise, but poor shooting and on-court decision-making have always hampered his game. Telfair then became a part of the revolving door of point guards the Wolves have either drafted or traded for since the Garnett deal. Telfair’s season averages in Minnesota were:

    2007/08=9.3 PPG, 2.3 RPG, and 5.9 APG. His slash line was .401/.281/.743.
    2008/09=9.8 PPG, 1.7 RPG, and 4.6 APG. His slash line was .383/.346/.819.

    The Wolves re-signed Telfair to a three-year, $7.5MM deal after the 2007/08 season, but then Minnesota selected both Jonny Flynn and Ricky Rubio in the 2009 NBA Draft, thus making Telfair expendable. He was dealt along with Craig Smith and Mark Madsen to the Clippers, in return Minnesota received Quentin Richardson. A few weeks later, Richardson was dealt to the Heat for Mark Blount. Blount never played a game for Minnesota, and was waived the following March.

    The selection of Jonny Flynn with the No. 6 pick in the 2009 NBA Draft was a head-scratcher for many. Not because of Flynn’s talent level, but because the Wolves had just selected Ricky Rubio with the No. 5 pick. The franchise knew there was a better than average chance that it would be a few seasons before Rubio would make the jump from international competition to the NBA, but when selecting that high, redundancies can severely hinder a franchise.

    At the risk of making Timberwolves fans even more upset, look at who they passed on to select Flynn. Available at the time were Stephen Curry, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, Brandon Jennings, and Darren Collison. All have had better career numbers than Flynn.

    Here’s what Flynn provided during his two seasons in Minnesota:

    2009/10=13.5 PPG, 2.4 RPG, and 4.4 APG. His shooting numbers were .417/.358/.826.
    2010/11=5.3 PPG, 1.5 RPG, and 3.4 APG. His slash line was .365/.310/.762.

    Flynn’s tenure came to an end with a trade during the 2011 NBA Draft. This transaction is a bit complicated to break down since it set off a number of subsequent deals. Here’s the chain of events that resulted:

    Flynn was traded to the Rockets along with the rights to Donatas Motiejunas for Brad Miller; the rights to No. 23 pick Nikola Mirotic; a second-rounder (No. 38); and a 2013 first round pick (Andre Roberson). The Rockets would later buy back the No.38 pick from the Wolves. And whom did they select with that pick? Chandler Parsons. Ouch!
    The Wolves then dealt the rights to Mirotic to the Bulls for the rights to No. 28 pick Norris Cole and the No. 43 pick in the draft (Malcolm Lee).
    Then Minnesota dealt Cole to the Heat for the No. 31 pick (Bojan Bogdanovic); a future second-rounder; and cash.
    Bogdanovic was later traded to the Nets for a 2013 second-rounder (Lorenzo Brown) and cash.

    Gerald Green was another player who entered the league right out of high school. He has always had amazing athletic ability, but hasn’t been able to translate that into the production expected of him, with the exception of the 2013/14 campaign he spent with the Suns.

    Green found himself buried on the bench behind numerous players, and only appeared in 29 games for the Wolves during the 2007/08 season, averaging 5.1 PPG on 33.1% shooting. He asked for a trade via his agent, which the Wolves granted.

    On February 21, 2008, Green was dealt to the Rockets for Kirk Snyder; a 2010 second-rounder (used to select Paulao Prestes); and cash. Prestes never played in the NBA, and Snyder spent one season in Minnesota, averaging 8.4 PPG and 4.2 RPG. That was Snyder’s last year in the NBA, and he’s been playing overseas since then.

    Lastly, I come to Al Jefferson, who was the most productive player that Minnesota acquired. Jefferson passed up the chance to test out restricted free agency, and in November 2007, he inked a five-year, $65MM extension with the Wolves. While it didn’t translate into wins, Jefferson did provide the franchise with some excellent numbers.

    2007/08=21.0 PPG, 11.1 RPG, and 1.5 BPG. His slash line was .500/.000/.721.
    2008/09=23.1 PPG, 11.0 RPG, and 1.7 BPG. His slash line was .497/.000/.738.
    2009/10=17.1 PPG, 9.3 RPG, and 1.3 BPG. His slash line was .498/.000/.680.

    It could be argued that based on pure stats, Jefferson almost made up for Garnett’s departure offensively. But on the defensive, intangibles, and leadership fronts, it wasn’t possible to recoup what “The Big Ticket” provided.

    Jefferson’s tenure in Minnesota came to an end on July 13, 2010, when he was dealt to the Jazz for Kosta Koufos; a 2011 first rounder (used to select Motiejunas) and a 2012 first round pick. The 2012 first-rounder was subsequently traded to the Rockets for Chase Budinger and the rights to Lior Eliyahu, and Houston used the pick to select Terrence Jones. Eliyahu has never played in the league, and in two seasons with Minnesota, Budinger has averaged 8.0 PPG.

     

    Minny shouldn't worry about being anyone's Santa Claus, Mr Fungus ... Their brain-trust has proven to be their very own "Grinch Who Stole Christmas."

    Try again ....

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    Yup

    Fierce is pathetic in his continued insistence that the Wolves owner didn't want to trade his current star to the same team he traded his last star to.

    First of all, it is about the best offer, not where an owner can stomach seeing someone play. 

    Maybe the Celtics had the best offer before the draft, but by waiting, Flip no doubt got the best offer he could in the end with #1 overall picks from two straight drafts.

    Assuming Glen Taylor is the petty vindictive person Fierce and unnamed sources claim he is, then wouldn't he prefer to see Love and Rondo struggle to get past the 2nd rd rather than pairing him with LeBron and almost guaranteeing that Love will join KG as a former Minny star winning a title elsewhere?

     

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    Excellent point!

    By Fungus's reckoning Glen Taylor will be the league's Santa Claus if they continue to trade away their best talent and Taylor won't be able to do business with any of his Association partners for fear of them becoming NBA Champs.

     
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    Re: Thanks for Trying

    Taylor was Santa Claus to Love, LeBron and Cleveland with the trade he just allowed to go down.

    Had he sent Love to Boston he'd have just been like a sibling or family member who gave you a cool gift, but not something that is 100% guaranteed to last or bring you the happiness you desired. 

    Anyone who says the Celtics were left out in the cold here by a petty shallow owner who couldn't stand to see his ex-star win a championship in Boston ike his last ex-star sounds pretty foolish considering Love is FAR more likely to pull a KG in Cleveland than he would have here. 

     
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    Re: Thanks for Trying

    I'm starting to question DAs ability it seems like other GMs hate him. I think it's time to move on.

     
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    Re: Thanks for Trying

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    This is the second time the last couple of years a team owner bragged about making a big move in the summer.

    Mark Cuban also thought he would end up with Dwight Howard and Deron Williams in the summer of 2012.

     

    Maybe some of the fans here won't admit to being disappointed.

    But I'm sure there are a lot of fans here who are disappointed that Kevin Love is not walking through that door this coming season.

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    I'm NOT disappointed Kevin Love is not walking thru the door , but I am disappointed half the roster hasn't been moved in trades , I'm talking at least 5 guys traded , 7 or 8 would be better....

     

    I am also disappointed Emeka Okafor hasn't been signed as a free agent to tag team with Zeller......THAT would be something to be excited about going into the season, some legit rim protection and defensive presence in the paint.....

     
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    Re: Thanks for Trying

    Man, I'm not EVEN excited about Okafor.

    I figure if we can't get something for them, just use them until their contracts fall off.  We'll have a lot of open space next year. A lot of expiring contracts.

     

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