Thanks for Trying

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    Re: Thanks for Trying

    I think DA had a fine plan to get Kevin Love, but he didn't expect LeBron to go back to the Cavs nor the domino effect that followed. I feel he would have found a way to outbid the Bulls. Just no way to match the package that CLE offered. Wiggins allows Flip to save more face versus a bundle of first rounders. So I cant slam DA for trying. It just didnt work out.

    June 17, 2008
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    Re: Thanks for Trying

    In response to BrandBreaker8's comment:

    In response to FierceBrand's comment:

     

    Nice try, but apparently the Wolves didn't want to be the Santa Claus of the Boston Celtics.

     

    Just because the Celtic fans, the Celtic owner, and the Danny Ainge want to make a trade, it doesn't mean the other NBA teams will oblige.

     

     



    LOL!!!

    How many times you gonna post that ridiculous comment?

    Here, look at what Minny did with what they got from us for KG ... It's shocking to say the least how they traded their way out of good talent to bad. They have nobody, least of all the C's, to blame for their short comings.

    From HoopsRumors:

    One telling fact about how poorly the trade worked out for Minnesota, is that not one of the original players or draftees are still with the team. Let’s take a look at what each player provided the Wolves and where they ended up.

    Ryan Gomes spent three seasons in Minnesota, where he was primarily a starter. His season averages were:

    2007/08=12.6 PPG, 5.8 RPG, and 1.8 APG. His slash line was .457/.330/.830.
    2008/09=13.3 PPG, 4.8 RPG, and 1.6 APG. His slash line was .431/.372/.807.
    2009/10=10.9 PPG, 4.6 RPG, and 1.6 APG. His slash line was .447/.372/.825.

    In June of 2010, Gomes was traded to the Trail Blazers along with the draft rights to Luke Babbitt for Martell Webster. Gomes was subsequently waived by Portland. In his two seasons in Minnesota, Webster averaged 8.3 PPG and 3.4 RPG.

    Theo Ratliff didn’t provide much for the Wolves, appearing in only ten games during the 2007/08 season, averaging 6.3 PPG and 3.9 RPG. Ratliff was waived in February of 2008 and then finished that season with the Pistons.

    The Wolves used the 2009 first rounder they acquired from Boston to select Wayne Ellington with the No. 28 pick. Ellington never developed into the scoring threat the team had hoped he’d become. His season averages with Minnesota were:

    2009/10=6.6 PPG, 2.1 RPG, and 1.0 APG. His slash line was .424/.395/.871.
    2010/11=6.6 PPG, 1.7 RPG, and 1.2 APG. His slash line was .403/.397/.792.
    2011/12=6.1 PPG, 1.9 RPG, and 0.6 APG. His slash line was .404/.324/.800.

    Ellington’s time in Minnesota came to an end when he was dealt to the Grizzlies for Dante Cunningham, in July of 2012. In two seasons with the Wolves, Cunningham has averaged 7.5 PPG.

    Sebastian Telfair had his two best seasons as a pro while with the Wolves. Telfair had entered the NBA out of high school, and never realized his potential. He was one of the pieces Minnesota had hoped would energize the franchise, but poor shooting and on-court decision-making have always hampered his game. Telfair then became a part of the revolving door of point guards the Wolves have either drafted or traded for since the Garnett deal. Telfair’s season averages in Minnesota were:

    2007/08=9.3 PPG, 2.3 RPG, and 5.9 APG. His slash line was .401/.281/.743.
    2008/09=9.8 PPG, 1.7 RPG, and 4.6 APG. His slash line was .383/.346/.819.

    The Wolves re-signed Telfair to a three-year, $7.5MM deal after the 2007/08 season, but then Minnesota selected both Jonny Flynn and Ricky Rubio in the 2009 NBA Draft, thus making Telfair expendable. He was dealt along with Craig Smith and Mark Madsen to the Clippers, in return Minnesota received Quentin Richardson. A few weeks later, Richardson was dealt to the Heat for Mark Blount. Blount never played a game for Minnesota, and was waived the following March.

    The selection of Jonny Flynn with the No. 6 pick in the 2009 NBA Draft was a head-scratcher for many. Not because of Flynn’s talent level, but because the Wolves had just selected Ricky Rubio with the No. 5 pick. The franchise knew there was a better than average chance that it would be a few seasons before Rubio would make the jump from international competition to the NBA, but when selecting that high, redundancies can severely hinder a franchise.

    At the risk of making Timberwolves fans even more upset, look at who they passed on to select Flynn. Available at the time were Stephen Curry, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, Brandon Jennings, and Darren Collison. All have had better career numbers than Flynn.

    Here’s what Flynn provided during his two seasons in Minnesota:

    2009/10=13.5 PPG, 2.4 RPG, and 4.4 APG. His shooting numbers were .417/.358/.826.
    2010/11=5.3 PPG, 1.5 RPG, and 3.4 APG. His slash line was .365/.310/.762.

    Flynn’s tenure came to an end with a trade during the 2011 NBA Draft. This transaction is a bit complicated to break down since it set off a number of subsequent deals. Here’s the chain of events that resulted:

    Flynn was traded to the Rockets along with the rights to Donatas Motiejunas for Brad Miller; the rights to No. 23 pick Nikola Mirotic; a second-rounder (No. 38); and a 2013 first round pick (Andre Roberson). The Rockets would later buy back the No.38 pick from the Wolves. And whom did they select with that pick? Chandler Parsons. Ouch!
    The Wolves then dealt the rights to Mirotic to the Bulls for the rights to No. 28 pick Norris Cole and the No. 43 pick in the draft (Malcolm Lee).
    Then Minnesota dealt Cole to the Heat for the No. 31 pick (Bojan Bogdanovic); a future second-rounder; and cash.
    Bogdanovic was later traded to the Nets for a 2013 second-rounder (Lorenzo Brown) and cash.

    Gerald Green was another player who entered the league right out of high school. He has always had amazing athletic ability, but hasn’t been able to translate that into the production expected of him, with the exception of the 2013/14 campaign he spent with the Suns.

    Green found himself buried on the bench behind numerous players, and only appeared in 29 games for the Wolves during the 2007/08 season, averaging 5.1 PPG on 33.1% shooting. He asked for a trade via his agent, which the Wolves granted.

    On February 21, 2008, Green was dealt to the Rockets for Kirk Snyder; a 2010 second-rounder (used to select Paulao Prestes); and cash. Prestes never played in the NBA, and Snyder spent one season in Minnesota, averaging 8.4 PPG and 4.2 RPG. That was Snyder’s last year in the NBA, and he’s been playing overseas since then.

    Lastly, I come to Al Jefferson, who was the most productive player that Minnesota acquired. Jefferson passed up the chance to test out restricted free agency, and in November 2007, he inked a five-year, $65MM extension with the Wolves. While it didn’t translate into wins, Jefferson did provide the franchise with some excellent numbers.

    2007/08=21.0 PPG, 11.1 RPG, and 1.5 BPG. His slash line was .500/.000/.721.
    2008/09=23.1 PPG, 11.0 RPG, and 1.7 BPG. His slash line was .497/.000/.738.
    2009/10=17.1 PPG, 9.3 RPG, and 1.3 BPG. His slash line was .498/.000/.680.

    It could be argued that based on pure stats, Jefferson almost made up for Garnett’s departure offensively. But on the defensive, intangibles, and leadership fronts, it wasn’t possible to recoup what “The Big Ticket” provided.

    Jefferson’s tenure in Minnesota came to an end on July 13, 2010, when he was dealt to the Jazz for Kosta Koufos; a 2011 first rounder (used to select Motiejunas) and a 2012 first round pick. The 2012 first-rounder was subsequently traded to the Rockets for Chase Budinger and the rights to Lior Eliyahu, and Houston used the pick to select Terrence Jones. Eliyahu has never played in the league, and in two seasons with Minnesota, Budinger has averaged 8.0 PPG.

     

    Minny shouldn't worry about being anyone's Santa Claus, Mr Fungus ... Their brain-trust has proven to be their very own "Grinch Who Stole Christmas."

    Try again ....




    THAT HAS TO BE THE WORST MANAGEMENT OF AN NBA TEAM IN HISTORY !!! WHAT A HORROR TO BE A TIMBERWOLVES FAN.......

     
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    Re: Thanks for Trying

    Love? Who cares now?! He's not here and he would not have made a bit of difference towards the Celtics winning a championship...none!

    Good luck to him in Cleveland...if they don't win it he'll be thinking about the west coast soon...can't trust these hyper coddled rich NBA stars.

     
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    Re: Thanks for Trying

    In response to cshashaty's comment:

    I think DA had a fine plan to get Kevin Love, but he didn't expect LeBron to go back to the Cavs nor the domino effect that followed. I feel he would have found a way to outbid the Bulls. Just no way to match the package that CLE offered. Wiggins allows Flip to save more face versus a bundle of first rounders. So I cant slam DA for trying. It just didnt work out.

    June 17, 2008
    Boston 131
    L.A. Lakers 92




    I feel the exact same way.

     

    I'm certainly disappointed we didn't get Love and maybe try a quicker rebuild, but I'm also very content with what the team did this offseason outside of that. I love the draft and acquiring Zeller for nothing was nice as well.

    Now, time to continue tanking, and get rid of the crappy contracts, develop the young talent and draft well and in 5-10 years we will be back

     
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    Re: Thanks for Trying

    In response to joepatsfan111111's comment:

    In response to cshashaty's comment:

    I think DA had a fine plan to get Kevin Love, but he didn't expect LeBron to go back to the Cavs nor the domino effect that followed. I feel he would have found a way to outbid the Bulls. Just no way to match the package that CLE offered. Wiggins allows Flip to save more face versus a bundle of first rounders. So I cant slam DA for trying. It just didnt work out.

    June 17, 2008
    Boston 131
    L.A. Lakers 92




    I feel the exact same way.

     

    I'm certainly disappointed we didn't get Love and maybe try a quicker rebuild, but I'm also very content with what the team did this offseason outside of that. I love the draft and acquiring Zeller for nothing was nice as well.

    Now, time to continue tanking, and get rid of the crappy contracts, develop the young talent and draft well and in 5-10 years we will be back

    THIS^

     
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    Re: Thanks for Trying

    THIS^

    come on, melly. 5-10? i had you penciled in for at least another 20 years of celtic bad road.

    bp

     
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    Re: Thanks for Trying

    I honestly believe that Ainge will continue to shuffle the deck until it's time to play his hand.  By this, I expect that he'll continue to acquire short-term contracts and additional draft picks by moving his own players that don't fit the long term plan.  He'll ride out the next few seasons trying to develop the talent he has in order to maximize player value.  If he gets a top 3 pick in a loaded draft then it will help the rebuild.  Otherwise, he's going to have to take the long, slow path of drafting and developing until such time that he has enough young talent and expiring contracts to land a disgruntled All-Star or two.   



     
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