Re: The Elite PG is THE Problem
posted at 11/13/2012 4:03 PM EST
In response to snakeoil123's comment:
In response to zeitgeist49's comment:
In response to Eldunker's comment:
Rondo is an exceptional basketball athlete. Statistically one of the best in the NBA today. His assist production is off the charts. He can string together double-doubles with a triple double here and there like nobody since Magic. When Rondo plays well and the team is in sync with his play, the Celtics win against anybody. Thats the good news.
The bad news is that like Allen Iverson and Wilt Chamberlain, also extraordinary players, they all lacked leadership qualities that are so important to team chemistry and on court team performance...and coordinating an off-season charity event with the team does not define leadership.
Despite his positive attributes, I believe HE is the reason that the Celtics play so inconsistenly. When Rondo's head isn't into the game, he doesn't play any D and his offense is sub-standard. The top 6-7 PGs in the league blow by him with regularity and brake down the rest of the Celtics defense. On offense, he too often holds the ball out front and paralizes the offense. This is what drove Ray Allen crazy. He turns the ball over too much. And why is it that when the Celtics need a key basket with time running out, its the worst shooter on the team, Rondo, who holds the ball for 12 seconds and launches a long range prayer that never goes in...
Rondo may be one of the best PGs in the league and the best player on the Celtics...but the team does not play well as a unit with Rondo at the point and does not respond to him as the proclaimed team leader. He hurts team chemistry and team play just like AI.
I would much rather have a PG who plays smart and hard CONSISTENTLY day in and day out. A PG who makes others on the team better and orchestrates a natural team flow on the floor and better chemistry in the locker room than Rondo's statistics and potential.
Rondo is a key asset to the Celtics and he is also the key liability.
Outstanding post with excellent points. For many fans, who just focus on stats and spectacular plays, RR is beyond reproach. Rondo has obvious strengths and weaknesses. But, he seems incapable of staying in front of opposing point guards, decreasing his turnovers, making free throws and developing leadership skills. Too many fans engage in "all or nothing" thinking. Rondo isn't THE PROBLEM the Celts have. But his flaws are certainly a problem for the team. IMO, the Celts inability to protect the rim and rebound are the primary problem. And Rondo's inability to prevent lane penetration contributes to this problem.
Why would you start thread saying that he is THE problem and then comment that he isn't THE problem.
Looks like someone's mixing up two different people and post or else I'm not understanding something.
As I said earlier your hyperbole was the only reason I commented on your thread. Obviously Rondo has weaknesses.
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I think the leadership issue that dunker brought up is being overlooked and is the most important point in his thread.
This is a point I've been making this season. I think Celtic's management's annointing Rondo the new team leader was a mistake. You earn team leadership and become a team leader by earning it, it can't be given to you by management.
Perhaps Rondo will grow into being a team leader, but I don't think he has the stuff right now, and I think this hurts the team and contributes to the chemistry problem that someone else mentioned.
I agree that Rondo is one of the problems this Celtic's team is having as outlined by dunker and others because of his defense and because he holds and dribbles too long.
But I think eldunkers main point was not soo much about his floor play being a problem that can't be overcome but the problem inherant with his leadership, which is not something that more practice time on the floor can improve. It's a maturity and character issue and will only be resolved over time.
I don't think Rondo's sudden elevation to "team leader" sits too well with the vets on the team or with many of the players. Dubbing it "Rondo's team now!" certainly doesn't appear to sit too well with KG and Paul: all the players will give lip service to Rondo being the engine that drives the team on the floor, especdia;y when his heads in the game and he's doing it well, but that's a far cry from them saying that it's "Rondo's team now" and he's our leader on the floor and off the floor.
I think that in recognizing this aspect of the problem eldunker hit the nail right on the head.