The rebuild

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    The rebuild

    Was wondering what you guys thought about the idea of management copying how they built our last championship team. Some believe DA is gathering assets to be dispersed in trades for the next "key" guys to bring banner 18. Just as he did in the summer of '07. They did it around Paul. They now have Rondo and Green. Both very good players entering their prime. You guys think that's the way to go?

    Or build a young and exciting team through the draft and trades to let them develope and mature together ala the Thunder/Pacers/Spurs?

    Too early to tell?

     
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    Re: The rebuild


    THE DUKE    we did it after the '69 Championship.....one down year and then we were contenders again....and a few years later we were champions once again....twice in three years...

    then in the late seventies we had two down years (the "Wickes & Rowe" edition).....then, once again, we were a championship caliber team for more than a decade....

    in '86 we drafted Bias....in '87 we drafted Lewis...we all know what happened....injuries and death certainly took their toll......hopefully we can rebuild quickly once again.....let's hope so...

     
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    Re: The rebuild

    DAs whole career as a player,coach and a GM has always been an opportunist. Opportunist think differently than most when it comes to planning. Whereas most figure on taking a plotted course and work on finding the right fits for the plan they forged, an oppotunist has a goal and their plans are more fluid,adjusting the blueprint around parts and fits available not looking for parts to fit a structured plan.

    Right now DA might be stockpiling these picks in anticipation of getting lucky in the draft, but if a player that fits his goal that is proven and is available now,well then he'll take the express route. A post thread that refers to Aldridge for instance,here's a guy that is a known commodity and his strengths fit our needs to a T, DA may forgo the draft route and trade the lure of those picks for the proven commodity. The team he is dealing with wants some of the assets that would change the equation and leave with holes in other ares,he'll go back to building through the draft.

     
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    Re: The rebuild

    need one good big

     
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    Let's get on with the rebuild....stop talking and DO! We'll all be along for the ride in any event...it should be fun.....it will work or it won't, but I doubt it will be a fast turn around....the league doesn't have the talent it once did, it's spread to thin,  and these owners will NOT spend into the LUX tax again without first getting rid of the old, useless and dead cap space takers they inherited from NJ...who will take them? Not at least until the trade deadline will we know...

     
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    Re: The rebuild

    In response to Rajon-Hondo's comment:

    DAs whole career as a player,coach and a GM has always been an opportunist. Opportunist think differently than most when it comes to planning. Whereas most figure on taking a plotted course and work on finding the right fits for the plan they forged, an oppotunist has a goal and their plans are more fluid,adjusting the blueprint around parts and fits available not looking for parts to fit a structured plan.

    Right now DA might be stockpiling these picks in anticipation of getting lucky in the draft, but if a player that fits his goal that is proven and is available now,well then he'll take the express route. A post thread that refers to Aldridge for instance,here's a guy that is a known commodity and his strengths fit our needs to a T, DA may forgo the draft route and trade the lure of those picks for the proven commodity. The team he is dealing with wants some of the assets that would change the equation and leave with holes in other ares,he'll go back to building through the draft.



    Perfect analysis.  Danny has positioned himself for multiple opportunities, my guess is in the following order:

    1) Get a high draft pick.  Developing a new coach, new players and allowing Rondo to complete is recovery will assist.

    2)  Make trades to collect more assets and/or reduce salary.

    3)  Use assets to make trades for quality player.

    4)  Use assets to reduce salary and sign a free agent.

     
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    Re: The rebuild

    In response to Fierce34's comment:

    Seriously, Jeff Green, Sully, Oly, Bradley, and Rondo will be in the Finals in 2015 or 2016?

    That's UNREALISTIC!



    We don't even know who will be on the roster on opening night 2013 !

    Hump, Wallace, Bogans, Bass, Lee.....at least 2 and hopefully 3 of those guys will not be Celtics on opening night

     
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    Re: The rebuild

     

    I suppose all we need is Aldridge and we become a elite team and then we can compete for the title. Elite teams do contend for titles don't they? 
     
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    Not really likely to replicate 2007; they went from 1 superstar to three- hence the name Big Three. Now they have one recovering from injury All Star, who is no Paul Pierce yet. Also, what team is ready to trade a KG level player? Heck, Atlanta won't even trade Al Horford, he is gritty but he carries KGs jock strap. Green and Rondo could become superstars, certainly Rondo is closer, but they may not based on the first third of their careers. If both do become Superstars then yes, they can package 2 or 3 firsts and some real talent and make an offer another team can not refuse for Cousins or another Superstar big. Then with a new big three they are contending GeForce a World Championship. The more likely route is Rondo and Green remain who they are; second tier All Stars types but not Superstars. Then tanking it his year is key so they can draft a Superstar and then like San Antonio put one Superstar, two All Stars, 2-4 very good players and good roll players out for the next 10 years.

     

     
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    Re: The rebuild

    Saw a show w/ Tanguay, Felger, and ? about a month ago debating this topic. Can't remember who the 3rd person was, but he was of the opinion that DA would follow the same formula he did to create banner 17. I've tried to find the clip, to no avail. It may have been Dan Shaughnessy.

    "Right now DA might be stockpiling these picks in anticipation of getting lucky in the draft, but if a player that fits his goal that is proven and is available now,well then he'll take the express route. A post thread that refers to Aldridge for instance,here's a guy that is a known commodity and his strengths fit our needs to a T, DA may forgo the draft route and trade the lure of those picks for the proven commodity. The team he is dealing with wants some of the assets that would change the equation and leave with holes in other ares,he'll go back to building through the draft." - Rajon-Hondo

    That's the logical thing. I guess it mainly pends on what we can get out of this 2014 draft. If DA doesn't like the pick, it'll be traded. 2014 could very well be the "tell-all" for this rebuild.

    "Let's get on with the rebuild....stop talking and DO!" - skinnyrexraptor

    They are doing. It's being done now. This forum can't "do" it. All we CAN "do" is "talk" about it. Hense the term "discussion board/forum".

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: The rebuild

    In response to Fierce34's comment:

    Seriously, Jeff Green, Sully, Oly, Bradley, and Rondo will be in the Finals in 2015 or 2016?

    That's UNREALISTIC!



    I think you missed the point of the original post, which implied that those guys would be traded.

     
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    Re: The rebuild

    I'm not agreeing with the post, just saying that your response didnt make sense in context of the original post,

     
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    Re: The rebuild

    In order to get a good players in trade, you need to give up something of value.  So Danny will most definitiley listen to offers for Bradley, Green and especially Rondo.  Sully hasn't proven his value yet and Danny will want to evaluate Oly's potential before including him in any trade.    

    Billge's post above says it all:  "Need one good big".  which will signal the serious beginning of the rebuild.  

     
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    Re: The rebuild

    "One good big"

     

    Can we all agree that this "one good big" is not coming out of the '14 draft? Maybe there will be an impact big in the draft, but time and time again we see high potential guys bust and impact players take 4-5 years to develop. Do you want to be the Kings, patiently waiting for a guy like Cousins who oozes potential to take year after year to develop and mature just to see him walk or demand a trade?

    I think the best way to fill this need of ours is via a trade for a guy heading into RFA. You may argue that we need a prospect big as part of a trade for the impact big, but maybe not. 

    If this team as constituted shows any promise once Rondo returns, Danny HAS to go out and throw QO's at guys like Sanders, Cousins, Monroe ... or bite the bullet, package assets and trade for the known quantities like Aldridge.

     

    I am still in the camp of getting Monroe. If there is some way to keep Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully and KO and get Monroe you have to do it. The other way would be if we get a top 5 pick to trade either Rondo, Green or Bradley for Monroe and use the top 5 to get our future (pg, sg, or sf).

     
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    Re: The rebuild

    In response to melswitt's comment:

    In response to futbal's comment:

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    Not really likely to replicate 2007; they went from 1 superstar to three- hence the name Big Three. Now they have one recovering from injury All Star, who is no Paul Pierce yet. Also, what team is ready to trade a KG level player? Heck, Atlanta won't even trade Al Horford, he is gritty but he carries KGs jock strap. Green and Rondo could become superstars, certainly Rondo is closer, but they may not based on the first third of their careers. If both do become Superstars then yes, they can package 2 or 3 firsts and some real talent and make an offer another team can not refuse for Cousins or another Superstar big. Then with a new big three they are contending GeForce a World Championship. The more likely route is Rondo and Green remain who they are; second tier All Stars types but not Superstars. Then tanking it his year is key so they can draft a Superstar and then like San Antonio put one Superstar, two All Stars, 2-4 very good players and good roll players out for the next 10 years.

     

     




    I don't disagree with your analysis...and completely agree with you abour Green and Rondo...2nd tier AS's at BEST...the C's deliverence into victory will be brought forth by those who are not yet here...much to the chagrin of the pink clouders and members of the Rondo Youth Brigade...

     

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    I agree with you AND CaptnCrunch....get it! Come on baby!

     

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