The UNDERATTED and OVERRATED for 2014 NBA draft

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    The UNDERATED and OVERRATED for 2014 NBA draft

    Overrated: Too many

    Noteables imo- McDermott, Wiggins, Parker, Wragge, Smart,Ennis

    Underrated:

    Brady Heslip

    Conner Frankamp

    Ron Baker

    Russ Smith

    Cleanthony Early

    Corey Jefferson

    Isaiah Austin

    Rico Gathers

    Sharpshooters need more recognition. Too much focus on dunkers. Sharpshooters are more important than slashers imo because slashers can be nuetralized by poor or corrupt officiating.

     
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    Ha.  Heslip.  Nice thread.  Watch out Miami!!

     
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    Heslip is the next Steve Kerr. Check HIS resume!

     
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    Yeah great post.. I love cleanthony early's game.

     
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    Stauskas with the Nets pick (18-19) would be solid.

    He could be the next Danny Ainge. An annoying, pesky player, a deadeye shooter with some PG skills who is absolutely fearless and plays with more speed/athletic ability than he has b/c the game slow down for him.

    Napier at the end of rd 1 is another solid pick.

    He could be the next Derek Fisher. He's a gutty winner with a knack for big shots and is a solid defender as well. 

    Early is definitely an underrated player. A solid guy to take with the Nets pick.

    He could be the next James Posey. Good defender who doesn't gamble, is strong and smart and willing to hit the boards. Will be able to hit that corner 3 and play both forward spots as a 6th man that can drop 20 on you once and awhile.

    If Danny doesn't like what he sees at the top of the draft and can't make a blockbuster deal like he did in '07 then a trade down is fine with me.

     

     
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    Heslip doesn't even start.  I'd draft Britney Griner before him.  Kerr was a second-round bargain, averaged 10 mpg.  If DA wants Heslip he can sign him after the draft.

     

    McDermott finished his career ranked fifth in NCAA history with 3,150 points and he's NOT even projected to be a top 10 pick.  HOW IS THAT OVER-RATED?

     
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    The Suns should have pick 14, pick 16-18 and pick 27-29. They would be a good trade partner for us.

    They also have to find a way to fit Alex Len into their big man rotation next year. They have Frye, the Morris brothers and Plumlee all playing like 24-28 minutes a game at PF-C, but Len is the 7'1" lotto pick they must see has being the future starter at C.

    Once they pay Eric Bledsoe, they have him for 32-36 mins at PG and Dragic for the other mins at PG plus 12-16 mins at SG. They could use a SG prospect like Gary Harris. They would also be good landing spots for Pac-10 players Anderson (PG and SF) and Gordon (SF and PF). They need a SF and are rumored to be a good free agent landing spot for Luol Deng.

    If a player Danny has his eyes on is gone when we are picking 5-7, I would trade that pick and the Clippers 2015 pick to the Suns for Miles Plumlee and say picks 14 and 28.

    With Dario Saric staying in Europe, the C's could pick the finished product in McDermott at 14 or if he is gone a more raw talent like Jerami Grant, Zack Lavine or Tyler Ennis there. Stauskas at 18-19 and if we picked a SF already take Napier at 28, if we picked a PG already take Early at 28.

     

     
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    Heslip doesn't even start.  I'd draft Britney Griner before him.  Kerr was a second-round bargain, averaged 10 mpg.  If DA wants Heslip he can sign him after the draft.

     

    McDermott finished his career ranked fifth in NCAA history with 3,150 points and he's NOT even projected to be a top 10 pick.  HOW IS THAT OVER-RATED?

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    He's overrated if....

    ...you think he is going to be a Peja Stojakovic type combo-forward who comes in and scores 20 a game, can be a third best player on a contender also giving you 5-6 boards and is 100% a starter, borderline all-star whose below average defense can be hidden by zones and isn't as awful as people think. (this player is worth pick 4-8 in the draft)

    He is underrated if...

    ...you think he is going to be a Kyle Korver 8th-10th man specialist who does nothing but shoot 3's and plays 18-24 mins scoring 8-11 points. (this player is worth being picked in the 20's)

    He is perfectly rated if...

    ...you think he is going to be Mike Miller or Wally Szczerbiak. A 5th-7th best player, ideally suited for a role as a bench scorer, who can do more than just gun and will give you 15-17ppg in 26-30 mins but can't rebound if played at the 4 and can't defend well if played at the 3 and will need a specific role/scheme to be effective and will never be an all-star or top 3-4 player on a contender. (this player is worth a pick between 10-15 and that is where McDermott will likely fall)

    So... I say he is overrated if projected top 10 and underrated if projected to be picked in the 20's. 

     

     
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    The Suns would be pretty scary. Say they made a trade with us. Plumlee and picks 14 and 16 for pick 6 and the Clippers '15 pick.

    They use pick 6 to add Aaron Gordon and pick 28 to add Markel Brown and then extended Bledsoe, signed Luol Deng and watched Len develop into the talent everyone expects out of him.

    C - Len, Frye

    PF - Morris brothers, some Deng/Gordon

    SF - Deng, some Gordon/Gerald Green

    SG - The Dragon, Gerald Green, Markel Brown

    PG - Bledsoe, Dragon

    The Celtics would come off pretty good after that trade, adding Plumlee (an 8/8 in 24 mins right now) and say picks 14, 16 and 18 used on LaVine, Stauskas and Early.

    C - Olynyk, Plumlee, Favarani

    PF - Sully, Olynyk, Bass

    SF - Green, Early, Wallace

    SG - Avery, Stauskas, LaVine

    PG - Rondo, Pressey, some Stauskas/LaVine

    There are sign and trade options with Humphries and to a lesser extent Bayless

    There is the Pierce TPE to use

    There is the Bogans nonguaranteed 5 million to use

    There are veterans in Green and Bass with favorable contracts we could trade'

    There is the Wallace albatross contract that is useful just in case a deal gets so big it needs that 10 million over to years to make it work

    And there is always the Rondo blockbuster possibility looming over everything.

     

     
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    I think he will be better than Wally Szczerbiak and Mike Miller.. He's going to be an amazing NBA player, works hard.. Raised we'll ALA his dad being the coach.. I think your value on this player is to low Rame. But hey you could be right who really knows yet.

     
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    Yeah great post.. I love cleanthony early's game.

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    He was great yesterday and obviously he can play..but dunno...its hard to say which guys game is going to translate to the NBA...there are TONS of ex-NCAA players that rose to the ocassion in the tournaments to then be nowhere to be found in the NBA.

     
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    Will the Baker kid from Wichita State be in the draft? I have been impressed with him although I have watched a small number of his games.

     
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    They went 33-0 that's really impressive, not a lot of teams can do that it takes good leaders, coaching, and team work. 

     
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    ..and an easy schedule.  They played NOBODY this season.

     
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    Stauskas with the Nets pick (18-19) would be solid.

    He could be the next Danny Ainge. An annoying, pesky player, a deadeye shooter with some PG skills who is absolutely fearless and plays with more speed/athletic ability than he has b/c the game slow down for him.

    Napier at the end of rd 1 is another solid pick.

    He could be the next Derek Fisher. He's a gutty winner with a knack for big shots and is a solid defender as well. 

    Early is definitely an underrated player. A solid guy to take with the Nets pick.

    He could be the next James Posey. Good defender who doesn't gamble, is strong and smart and willing to hit the boards. Will be able to hit that corner 3 and play both forward spots as a 6th man that can drop 20 on you once and awhile.

    If Danny doesn't like what he sees at the top of the draft and can't make a blockbuster deal like he did in '07 then a trade down is fine with me.

     

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    I have to admit I need to watch this guy more than  I have...comparing him to Posey is high praise indeed...I personally think if we had resigned Posey we might have had at least one more ring, he was that good and that clutch in his all around game.

     
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    I think he will be better than Wally Szczerbiak and Mike Miller.. He's going to be an amazing NBA player, works hard.. Raised we'll ALA his dad being the coach.. I think your value on this player is to low Rame. But hey you could be right who really knows yet.

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    Being smart and raised well doesn't make up for his inability to defend 95% of the SF's who start in the NBA and 60% or so of the ones coming off the bench.

    The way he was abusued on the glass by shorter forwards playing for programs who are not elite perennial powers does not bode well for him either. These guys who will be playing in foreign countries after college had verticals 6-10" higher and wingspans 2-4" longer despite being 1-2" shorter. That was why they tore the boards away from him.

    He is more PF than Wally or Miller ever were, but looks at the stats those guys put up. Over 6-7 year primes Wally was a 17-20ppg scorer and the 4th best player on a solid playoff team. Miller was a 14-16ppg 5-6rpg 6th man who was rookie year of the year and a major contributor to one NBA title (winning 2)

    McBuckets fans should be more than happy to compare him to Wally/Miller. There is little chance this kid becomes an all-star. Sorry.

     
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    I agree Rame. The best McD can hope for is to turn out like Wally.

    Wally was a better penetrator though from the very beginning.

    AND more mobile.

    McD has heart and skill but I'm not high on him because of something he cant improve.

    SLOW FEET!

     
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    I agree Rame. The best McD can hope for is to turn out like Wally.

    Wally was a better penetrator though from the very beginning.

    AND more mobile.

    McD has heart and skill but I'm not high on him because of something he cant improve.

    SLOW FEET!

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    Yup, he has a LOW ceiling and almost no chance of being a top 3 player on a contender, let alone being an all-star.

    Fierce would rather have McDermott than Greg Monroe!!!!!!

    Greg Monroe is 19 months older than McDer and spent Dougie's sophmore-senior years at mid-major Creighton putting up over 15 points and 9 boards a game in the NBA as a legit 6'11" big man.

     

     
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    This is gonna be a fun debate all next season :)

     
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    Re: The UNDERATTED and OVERRATED for 2014 NBA draft

    This thread is a little premature, n'est pas?

     

     
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