The undisputed FACTS about the Howard situation

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    The undisputed FACTS about the Howard situation

    I'll spare you all from the idiotic DaCeltic trade ideas and whatever it is the racist DUDDER is gleefully babbling about right now (as we all know he hates the Celtics).

    Here are the FACTS about what Howard and the Magic will be looking to do:

    1. Dwight wants a SIGN AND TRADE.... ASAP... because he knows he can get 6 years 120 million like LBJ/Bosh... RIGHT NOW... but after the CBA expires... POOF! That offer may never be seen again

    2. The Magic will want young CHEAP players (rookie contracts/early 20's) and draft picks in a trade.

    3. They will want to dump one or BOTH of their obscenely awful contracts in any deal (Turkoglu and Arenas) and save as much as possible to rebuild.

    4. Howard will NOT want to go to a lotto team. He WILL want to play with 1-2 superstars. All-stars like our big 3 and LA's will be for 1-2 more years , but also guys his age (LA doesn't offer that - Celts do).

    5. Howard will want a glamorous city.

    6. Howard will want a franchise that is not a "mid-major' but a perennial power with a logo and history well-known worldwide.
     
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    Boston or LA  I see 2 draft picks and 2 players to make that deal work. The only chip we have over LA is the Clippers pick
     
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    A big fact there isn't a good situation for Howard to get traded too,before the lockout. 
    The Hornets are in the same boat,unless Paul would agree to a trade to Boston for Rondo,if Howard told him. He would sign in Boston as a free agent.

    Heat could offer Lebron or Wade,but both those players would demand a trade,so they wouldn't play for Orlando.
     
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    Glamorous city? That leaves Boston out and L.A. in.
     
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    Young talent leaves L A  out.  Orlando doesn't want anyone on your team,while they might want Rondo. 
     
     I don't think Orando trades him until. he becomes a free agent and its a sign and trade.
     
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    Why does the racist non-fan post on a fan thread authored by someone who has him on ignore?

    "Posts from TheDUDDER are hidden"  sweetest 5 words on this forum.

    It does seem to leave Boston or LA. I'd like to discuss who is the better match with the real fans in a realistic way.

    clearly the only disadvantage is the glam of the city...

    and Howard is a bit of an attention hog goober

    But when it comes to the MAGIC and what they want (since they hold the key... extra years and MILLION in salary) how will it play out?
     
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    The longer the Magic wait the less they get in compensation.

    See the scummy collusions efforts of LBJ/Bosh/Wade and the weak compensation toronto and cleveland got (picks around #30).

    Howard likely never see's 6/120 after July 1st of this year

     
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    In Response to Re: The undisputed FACTS about the Howard situation:
    Why does the racist non-fan post on a fan thread authored by someone who has him on ignore? "Posts from TheDUDDER are hidden"  sweetest 5 words on this forum. It does seem to leave Boston or LA. I'd like to discuss who is the better match with the real fans in a realistic way. clearly the only disadvantage is the glam of the city... and Howard is a bit of an attention hog goober But when it comes to the MAGIC and what they want (since they hold the key... extra years and MILLION in salary) how will it play out?
    Posted by rameakap


    And of course, ignore or otherwise, you stated no FACTS, and actually ignore the things that likely to happen.... keep ignoring and scratching your head every time you are wrong but learn a lot from me.

    Howard is an attention hog.... and umm... he gets it no matter where he plays so the city he plays in is irrelevant.  LeBron played in Cleveland and got every single endorsement that was available, not sure if you noticed but Orlando is a small market and Howard is all over the TV..... just keep ignoring the truth and then maybe some day you could wake up and find out what is actually going on and join in some of the intelligent conversation.

    Before the beginning I said that I thought the Heat would win in 7 and that most intelligent people thought the same thing and someone told me to dare come back on the board after the Cs win...... I don't think I have seen a post from that poster since............. it is ok to accept one's ineptitude and lack of knowledge but let's not let FACTS get in the way of a good story........  well at least not until some of the FACTS become FACTS.
     
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    The longer the Magic wait the less they get in compensation. See the scummy collusions efforts of LBJ/Bosh/Wade and the weak compensation toronto and cleveland got (picks around #30). Howard likely never see's 6/120 after July 1st of this year
    Posted by rameakap


    The Hawks could offer Horford and Smith and Teague. They seem to be the only team who could meet the requirements,but the way Horford and Smith playe din the playoffs hurt that possiblity.
     
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    Yes, and the Hawks are in their division. I don't know how much better they are with that addition by subtraction.

    LA can offer two 1st rd picks in the 20's and Bynum... who makes about the same as Howard right now.

    They can then start to talk contract swapping involving Artest/Odom/Blake etc in moves that can save the Magic.... 5-10-15 million??

    They would want him out of the East.

    And Dwight would want to go to LA over Boston.... even if Pau and Kobe as his two all-star teammates are 31-33 and not of his generation...

    Rondo and Green are the EXACT same age as him.
     
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    If Boston were to get Howard it would have to be a grandfather offer of ALL our possible young picks/assets...

    This is Avery, our 2011 #1 pick (25) 2012 #1 from the Clippers (in teens) and our 2013 # 1 (late 20's) and our 2nd from Cleve (via MN) in the 30's.

    PLUS

    we'd have to absord the contracts of Arenas and Turkoglu

    KG/Ray/JON.... ALL EXPIRING... would be sent to Orlando

     
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    Who else can attract Howard if not LA?

    Here is the diff between our best offer and the Lakers:

    A 1st rd pick in the teens and an extra 50+ million in savings vs. Bynum.

    Do the Magic REALLY want to stay a 2nd rd playoff team and pin their hopes on an often injured punk?
     
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    How about New Jersey?
     
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    How about New Jersey?
    Posted by dirty52


    They blew their draft picks on Deron Williams.

    They do have cap space.

    If they want to trade Lopez and take on the awful Turk contract they will simply have a team that won't compete past the 2nd rd.

    Magic would prob find 4 draft picks and no Arenas better than a solid Center 2 years from free agency and Arenas still on the team.

    NJ is a good landing spot if howard makes it to free agency and the Nets can trade lopez for a SF to complement what would be a good DWill-Morrow-Humphries-Howard 4some.
     
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    I'm not claiming facts, but I think that we could get Garnett back after he's bought out by the Magic.  The Magic would want the cap space to pursue someone in summer 2012, so Garnett, cheap player(s), and cash for Howard and a bad contract (that we might consider buying out for the right price).

    Turkoglu might be reborn as a bench gunner/swingman... I wouldn't want Arenas because of the off-court baggage
     
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    In Response to The undisputed FACTS about the Howard situation:
    : 1. Dwight wants a SIGN AND TRADE.... ASAP... because he knows he can get 6 years 120 million like LBJ/Bosh... RIGHT NOW... but after the CBA expires... POOF! That offer may never be seen again
    Posted by rameakap


    If the owners succeed in creating a hard cap, having a player with that kind of a contract may be very detrimental to the team.  They will just not have enough room to pay other good players.

    I don't think that Orlando will entertain Howard trade proposals.  Just look at the Melo situation.  Howard has a choice to sign this extension with them, or enable a mega trade where Magic get Denver like return, or become a free agent.  If Dwight is after money, he has much less leverage.
     
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    PIPE DREAMS are funny, exclusively for fan-based boards.

    Dwight Howard hasgiven absolutely NO INDICATION that he wants out of Orlando--ZERO. He's comfortable there and always reinforced the idea that he wants to WIN IN ORLANDO.

    If he were to leave, Howard wants to go to a media market. That means either New York or L.A. But Howard has shown NO inclination of wanting to leave the Magic.
     
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    In Response to The undisputed FACTS about the Howard situation : If the owners succeed in creating a hard cap, having a player with that kind of a contract may be very detrimental to the team.  They will just not have enough room to pay other good players. I don't think that Orlando will entertain Howard trade proposals.  Just look at the Melo situation.  Howard has a choice to sign this extension with them, or enable a mega trade where Magic get Denver like return, or become a free agent.  If Dwight is after money, he has much less leverage.
    Posted by prakash


    Yes look at the melo situation

    Silly to have rumors all season

    but Denver ended up FINE not letting Melo walk like Bosh or James.

    Magic should trad ehim over the summer and clea bad contracts, add financial space for the future
     
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    PIPE DREAMS are funny, exclusively for fan-based boards. Dwight Howard hasgiven absolutely NO INDICATION that he wants out of Orlando--ZERO. He's comfortable there and always reinforced the idea that he wants to WIN IN ORLANDO. If he were to leave, Howard wants to go to a media market. That means either New York or L.A. But Howard has shown NO inclination of wanting to leave the Magic.
    Posted by LakerFan67


    Other Laker fans are here hysterically posting links showing he likely will leave the Magic

    Having a top 3 media market or a top 15 one isn't going to make him turn down 30 million or whatever the new CBA rules may cost him.

    He gets plenty of hype and ink in Orlando like LeBron did in Cleveland. Its prob the cold weather he'd dislike most about boston.

    But again... 6 years 120 million or 5/90... and a winner vs. a loser... what's he going to do?
     
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    Howard has already expressed that he does not want to come to Boston.

    Keep dreaming.  It's not going to happen.
     
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    Didn't KG say the same thing right before he agreed to go to Boston

    When did he say that? I've never heard that.

    That may change if Doc and Chris Paul are in Boston. What better coach is out there that guys want to play for? Poppovich maybe but they're situation is worse than the C's.

    Spo? No
    Van Gundy? No
    Thibs? Maybe
    Carlistle? Maybe
     
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    Howard has already expressed that he does not want to come to Boston. Keep dreaming.  It's not going to happen.
    Posted by soups


    link? exact quote? Or is the dream the post that you just made up?

    Again... KG came here.. but had previously agreed on a monster extension paying him 18-20 million ages 32-35.

    If the new CBA puts a limit on years (5/6 down to 4/5) and max money (what once was 20 becomes 17... that kind of thing) no way howard cares about Boston as a location of he can get 6 years 126 million now but only 5 years 85 million in a year.
     
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    Didn't KG say the same thing right before he agreed to go to Boston When did he say that? I've never heard that. That may change if Doc and Chris Paul are in Boston. What better coach is out there that guys want to play for? Poppovich maybe but they're situation is worse than the C's. Spo? No Van Gundy? No Thibs? Maybe Carlistle? Maybe
    Posted by BiasLewis


    CP3's knee issues are worrisome.

    What type of deal is that going to be then?

     
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    Who else can attract Howard if not LA? Here is the diff between our best offer and the Lakers: A 1st rd pick in the teens and an extra 50+ million in savings vs. Bynum. Do the Magic REALLY want to stay a 2nd rd playoff team and pin their hopes on an often injured punk?
    Posted by rameakap


    I could definitely see Howard being traded to LA for Bynum and another LA player, although, I am not sure who that would be. 
     
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    In Response to Re: The undisputed FACTS about the Howard situation : CP3's knee issues are worrisome. What type of deal is that going to be then?
    Posted by rameakap


    I think he could be had for Rondo, BBD, JON (contract) or Green and 2 #1s

    The C's could take back CP3, Ariza, Bellineli
     
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