Re: They could play in today's NBA
posted at 6/9/2013 6:18 PM EDT
In response to Duke4's comment:
I disagree on the last point Seems...I was looking at the greats of the past who I feel would still be great today....not at the entire league as a whole....this thread stems from some of the opinions held by the younger fans...that everything that was accomplished before (take your pick) expansion....the NBA/ABA Merger...the Bird/Magic Era...the Michasl Jorda Era... aren't important or should have an asterisk..
My point is that the greats that I mentioned were teriffic basketball players and athletes....if they were able to play todays game it stands to reason that they would be doing everything today's players are doing as far as diet, working with weights, having personal trainers, etc...
I'm not saying that you need to assume that they might be an inch or two taller...but they would most certainly need added muscle to play in today's game....so I am not advocationg what they might be...for instance take Elgin Baylor....he was 6-5 225...look at his body....strong as an ox but not ripped....that's because weight training was frowned upon back in the day when it came to baseball and basketball...that would change if these guys were playing today
Anyway...usually you and I are on the same page....maybe not on this one...?
You did make one point that I do agree with....today's players are bigger but many that don't play center could if asked to do so...everyone in todays NBA is a good enough athlete to play in the old league...but with so many "one and done" players coming into the league....are all of them skilled enough at the funtamental game of basketball to have excelled...? I don't think so...in fact, two thirds of today's players wouldn't be in the league if it were an 8 or a 12 (even 16) team league...it's like MLB...the starting pitching is so watered down these days....
Again...we are sharing opinions and we certainly don't have to agree.....as always, good hearing from you...I love the way you delve into things with gusto....you are always prepared my friend!!
Whats new Duke?
Rather than going back and forth with numbers and opinions I'll just make a few statements.
Your completely wrapped up in the legends of the greats of the 50's-60's as are most old timers who remember the "good old days". You seem to be strictly locked in on their outstanding achievments with total disregard as to the level of the competition back in the 50's and 60's. As you know in sports there are always, no matter what level of competition, those that put up the numbers. Certainly the players you mention in your list were the cream of the crop back then and deserve to be in the HOF.
But the big question is just how well their physical and basketball skills of the 50's-60's would fare in the Present generation. Since this a discussion about the players of the early years vs the modern generation makeovers are not permitted.What you see is what you get.
Here are a few points.
The moderns are
Taller, heavier,faster, quicker,far superior shooters and ambidextrous ball handlers,and dominated by blacks whose athleticism is of the charts.
You imply that the league is watered down and that the players are not fundamentality sound. Could you back that up with some explanations?