They're ALL Complementary Players Now...

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    They're ALL Complementary Players Now...

    So...  bringing in more players to support the Big Two, Three (pick a number!) makes no sense.  

    KG and Pierce are now so diminished that they can no longer anchor the offense or close out games. The winning synergy of the team was predicated on having the ONLY Ray Allen in the NBA. That synergy went south when Ray Allen left town.

    Each one of the Big Three made each of the others' jobs/shots easier, and, needless to say, also those of Bass and Rondo. The whole was greater than the sum of the parts in a basketball skills way.

    Taking out Allen and slipping anyone else in there has not and could not replicate that formula.

    We all agree that you need a transcendent player or two to compete for a title. And then a group of tough, competitive, rotation players each with one, or preferably, more legitimate NBA skills. And a high draft pick or two.

    We have one transcendent player in Rondo, two fading fast, former transcendent players in KG and Pierce. We have two role players who you would describe as tough and skilled - Sullinger and Bradley. And we have Melo.

    What transcendent player(s) would you bring in to form the core for the future?

    My disclaimer:Jefferson cannot defend or rebound. Josh Smith is a trick-or-treat player and not exactly the locker-room leader you'd want for young players.

    What role-playing tough guys?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    THE most impactful and transcendent player would be Cousins, who would will fill the need of a dominant center for years to come.  By next year, he will be the best center in the league and teams with great centers often win championships.  

    Unfortuneately, it is unlikely Sacto will trade him under any circumstances.  I would give up any two players on Celtics including Rondo and Bradley or Sully plus a pick to get him.  Doubt that would even get the deal done.

    Assuming Lebron, Durant,Chris Paul, etc., are out of the question and you are talking only about players available by Feb 21, ... possibly Gay, although an offensive threat, I don't think he is an ideal  team player. Like Monte Ellis, Kobe, Rondo, all great individual players, they all also styme the other players on the court when they control the ball, limiting natural ball movement, flow, positioning and involvement.  Also, Kevin Love, but not sure if he is availble. Dirk getting too old to build around.  

    The Warriors are building a solid team with 6 solid contributors who play as a team without that tanscendent super-stars.  Curry (20PPG), Lee (20PPG), Thompson (second year draft pick - 16PPG) , Barnes (previous draft pick - 10 PPG), a solid bench with Landry and Jack (both 12 PPG) just beat the Clippers and Miami - and they don't even have their center Bogut (traded for Ellis) back from injury yet either.  It can be done. Just need the right pieces. We want to run, but have a mix of old players and young players...so that doesn't work.  We don't have ofensive threat or someone to block the middle.  We have grossly inconsistent defensive players that frustrate the ones who defend well because they always have to help, leavoing their man unprotected.  This team is a mess and is poorly constructed.  We need major moves. 4 starters - Pierce, Rondo, Terry, Bass should all be replaced for young consistent complete players.

     

     
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    In response to Eldunker's comment:

    THE most impactful and transcendent player would be Cousins, who would will fill the need of a dominant center for years to come.  By next year, he will be the best center in the league and teams with great centers often win championships.  

    Unfortuneately, it is unlikely Sacto will trade him under any circumstances.  I would give up any two players on Celtics including Rondo and Bradley or Sully plus a pick to get him.  Doubt that would even get the deal done.

    Assuming Lebron, Durant,Chris Paul, etc., are out of the question and you are talking only about players available by Feb 21, ... possibly Gay, although an offensive threat, I don't think he is an ideal  team player. Like Monte Ellis, Kobe, Rondo, all great individual players, they all also styme the other players on the court when they control the ball, limiting natural ball movement, flow, positioning and involvement.  Also, Kevin Love, but not sure if he is availble. Dirk getting too old to build around.  

    The Warriors are building a solid team with 6 solid contributors who play as a team without that tanscendent super-stars.  Curry (20PPG), Lee (20PPG), Thompson (second year draft pick - 16PPG) , Barnes (previous draft pick - 10 PPG), a solid bench with Landry and Jack (both 12 PPG) just beat the Clippers and Miami - and they don't even have their center Bogut (traded for Ellis) back from injury yet either.  It can be done. Just need the right pieces. We want to run, but have a mix of old players and young players...so that doesn't work.  We don't have ofensive threat or someone to block the middle.  We have grossly inconsistent defensive players that frustrate the ones who defend well because they always have to help, leavoing their man unprotected.  This team is a mess and is poorly constructed.  We need major moves. 4 starters - Pierce, Rondo, Terry, Bass should all be replaced for young consistent complete players.

     



    Thoughtful response. Thanks. 

     
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    Maybe now is the time that people recognize how valuable Ray Allen was for that team.

    A tall SG with a not only a great shooting % but also a quick release opens the court for all other players. Combine that with his unmatched work ethic, that he didn't need to many touches and few turnovers and underated defense/rebounding (not great or even good but underated and by fat better than Terry).

    The problem is to many people rely on stats alone and even want to bring Big Al back. He would be a nice guy as the missing piece but he is NOT someone to start a rebuilt with. Stats are important but great stats on a bad team is often misleading.

    The other people see one player for 1-3 games, like Terry in 2011, and believe this is his standard level. It is not! Terry was a bench player his entire career there is a reason for that.

     
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    House...gave us more points than this current bench

     
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    In response to Gasthoerer's comment:

    Maybe now is the time that people recognize how valuable Ray Allen was for that team.

    A tall SG with a not only a great shooting % but also a quick release opens the court for all other players. Combine that with his unmatched work ethic, that he didn't need to many touches and few turnovers and underated defense/rebounding (not great or even good but underated and by fat better than Terry).

    The problem is to many people rely on stats alone and even want to bring Big Al back. He would be a nice guy as the missing piece but he is NOT someone to start a rebuilt with. Stats are important but great stats on a bad team is often misleading.

    The other people see one player for 1-3 games, like Terry in 2011, and believe this is his standard level. It is not! Terry was a bench player his entire career there is a reason for that.



    Because someone is a 6th man that makes him not good? Thats pretty funny really.  Terry was a really good 6th man and scored a lot of points and hits some really big shots... and trust me it was for years not 1-3 games.....granted he is not having a good year with the Cs but to imply that he just a bench player is highly inaccurate.  think Jamaal crawford, Lamar (when a laker) and others and tell me that they are just "bench" players....

     
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    In response to VeniceSox's comment:

    In response to Gasthoerer's comment:

     

    Maybe now is the time that people recognize how valuable Ray Allen was for that team.

    A tall SG with a not only a great shooting % but also a quick release opens the court for all other players. Combine that with his unmatched work ethic, that he didn't need to many touches and few turnovers and underated defense/rebounding (not great or even good but underated and by fat better than Terry).

    The problem is to many people rely on stats alone and even want to bring Big Al back. He would be a nice guy as the missing piece but he is NOT someone to start a rebuilt with. Stats are important but great stats on a bad team is often misleading.

    The other people see one player for 1-3 games, like Terry in 2011, and believe this is his standard level. It is not! Terry was a bench player his entire career there is a reason for that.

     



    Because someone is a 6th man that makes him not good? Thats pretty funny really.  Terry was a really good 6th man and scored a lot of points and hits some really big shots... and trust me it was for years not 1-3 games.....granted he is not having a good year with the Cs but to imply that he just a bench player is highly inaccurate.  think Jamaal crawford, Lamar (when a laker) and others and tell me that they are just "bench" players....

     



    Terry was not very good LAST year either.  He had a poor shooting percentage and I believe Dallas got rid of him because without a better FG%, he was a liability on the court because of his non-existent Defense.  I really believe that age has caught up with Terry and he will NEVER improve.  Unfortuneately we're stuck with two more expensive years.  This was a very bad DA transaction and contract. 

     
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    Because someone is a 6th man that makes him not good? Thats pretty funny really.  Terry was a really good 6th man and scored a lot of points and hits some really big shots... and trust me it was for years not 1-3 games.....granted he is not having a good year with the Cs but to imply that he just a bench player is highly inaccurate.  think Jamaal crawford, Lamar (when a laker) and others and tell me that they are just "bench" players....



    No it is not funny! If you are a bench player you entire career there is a reason for that. Terry was a great spark from the bench but never able to start in this league cause he is to small and a liability on defense.
    He hit some clutch shots as well but over his career he did not performed above his rs season stats in the post season. He was one of the major reasons the mavs were called a soft team for years.

     

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