Thibodeau to Lakers?

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    Thibodeau to Lakers?

    That would be great!!!  Maybe he could convince them to send their lottery pick to us for Rondo.

     
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    Re: Thibodeau to Lakers?

    If Thibs joins the Lakers then Kobe will Play 48 Minutes every game, until he breaks down again.


    Thibs is maybe one of the greatest defensive coaches in the league. But as a head Coach he is far from being great, yet.

     
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    Re: Thibodeau to Lakers?

    In response to mossad-did-911's comment:


    he's been nothing short of great for Chicago. he turned that franchise around and has kept them competitive and respectable even without their star player. they've been short handed all season he had no choice but to play guys more minutes.





    agreed.. Thibs was big reason C's won a title as he spoon fed the team what to do while Doc grinned for the media...


    What the Bulls have done with losing Rose for essentially 2 years is admirable.. hes kept them together, made the playoffs and were usually one of the sleeper teams nobody wanted to play... He gets lots of mileage from his players, they bust it for him.   Thibs has been great for the Bulls


     

     
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    Re: Thibodeau to Lakers?

    In response to mossad-did-911's comment:


    They've been short handed all season he had no choice but to play guys more minutes.






    Like I said, he is a great defensive Coach or assistant Coach. But he is overplaying his Players for years now, no matter of Playoffs or regular season. Just check the stats. That has nothing to do with the injuries this year.


    Doc would get murdered in this Forum for this strategy. Thibs never quits, and makes his Team Play like it is game 7 of the Play Offs every game. But in the NBA with > 80 RS games, you have to save same energy. This stategy is inflating Chicagos RS numbers, but will always lead to injuries and earliy Play off Exits.

     
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    Re: Thibodeau to Lakers?

    There is no way Thibs goes to the lakers.  He is under contract in CHI......and would have to be given permission to even interview.  Read yesterday CHI will NOT grant that permission.  Remember the Clips and Doc?  Think LAL will give the Bulls a #1 pick for Thibs????


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    Re: Thibodeau to Lakers?

    It's true that Thibs is under contract to the Bulls, but because of conflict management has with him, they may welcome getting off the hook with him contractually, without owing him anything.

     
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    Re: Thibodeau to Lakers?

     


     


    In response to mossad-did-911's comment:


     


    1) they were short handed all season. not because anyone was overplayed, but because Rose is made out of glass and they traded Deng, 2 starters.


     


    2)if he didn't play his best players they would not have had as good a playoff run as they did. in the end they just didn't have enough gas. but he played the guys that got them there and as a team they overachieved. giving starters more minutes wasn't a bad coaching decision, it was a decision based on necessity. 


     


    3)if you can't understand the value of a coach who consistently gets the most out of his players then you don't know the first thing about sports.


     


    4)perhaps you have actual evidence that rose is injured every season because he is overplayed. he missed an entire season, came back and was injured again after 10 games. 


     




    I put numbers to your Points and try to answer them one-by-one.


     


    1) That is simply not the whole truth. Thibs ALWAYS let his startes play heavy minutes. He either looking for great RS stats or simply doesn't trust his bench. Just look at the stats of Deng in the first seasons when Thibs became headcoach (and Rose wasn't injured): 39.1 & 39.4 minutes.


     


    2) Which good Play off run? They were steam rolled by the Washington Wizards in the first round. For the Franchise missing the Play Offs would have been better.


     


    3) Why do you get personal? I know it is great to have a Coach which gets the best of his Players. But the NBA is not an european Soccer league. You have to also be smart and tank/save energy in the right moments. Thibs is a great assistant Coach but obviously doesn't see the big Picture.


     


    4)That is again a nonsense comment. I didn't say that Rose became injured again cause he was overplayed. One could discuss if he was injured cause he was overplayed when he had his first injury. But no one has "evidence" for that. BUT there is evidence that Thibs overplays his startes in general and I'm not the only one thniking like that (just Google it).


     


    All I'm saying is that Thibs is overplaying his Players in the RS and this is inflating his win share. Accordingly, in the Play Offs, there is nothing left or/and they can't step up like other teams do.

     
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    Re: Thibodeau to Lakers?

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-05-01/sports/ct-bulls-spt-0502-20140502_1_tom-thibodeau-lakers-mike-d-antoni" rel="nofollow">http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-05-01/sports/ct-bulls-spt-0502-20140502_1_tom-thibodeau-lakers-mike-d-antoni


     


    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/27178913-419/bulls-know-nothing-of-thibodeau-lakers-talk-source.html#.U2PLRldWrTo" rel="nofollow">http://www.suntimes.com/sports/27178913-419/bulls-know-nothing-of-thibodeau-lakers-talk-source.html#.U2PLRldWrTo


     


    Avenger, is, of course, correct again - here's an excerpt from the above article:


    The lingering problem is a leaguewide assumption that Thibodeau and the front office don’t get along. Trying to squelch those rumors, vice president John Paxson said back in October that all the friction had been smoothed over before preseason camp had even started.


    Paxson reiterated that point several times throughout the season, insisting that Thibodeau “is not going anywhere.’’


     


    WHAT was I thinking? 


     


     


    "Climb on my back, boys, and I'll take you home." - Cedric Maxwell

    "You show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Red Auerbach

    "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." - Hedley Lamarr

    If no Bynum injury, no Gasol trade - last word!!

     
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    Re: Thibodeau to Lakers?

    In response to hedleylamarr's comment:


    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-05-01/sports/ct-bulls-spt-0502-20140502_1_tom-thibodeau-lakers-mike-d-antoni" rel="nofollow">http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-05-01/sports/ct-bulls-spt-0502-20140502_1_tom-thibodeau-lakers-mike-d-antoni" rel="nofollow">http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-05-01/sports/ct-bulls-spt-0502-20140502_1_tom-thibodeau-lakers-mike-d-antoni


     


     


     


    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/27178913-419/bulls-know-nothing-of-thibodeau-lakers-talk-source.html#.U2PLRldWrTo" rel="nofollow">http://www.suntimes.com/sports/27178913-419/bulls-know-nothing-of-thibodeau-lakers-talk-source.html#.U2PLRldWrTo" rel="nofollow">http://www.suntimes.com/sports/27178913-419/bulls-know-nothing-of-thibodeau-lakers-talk-source.html#.U2PLRldWrTo


     


     


     


    Avenger, is, of course, correct again - here's an excerpt from the above article:


     


    The lingering problem is a leaguewide assumption that Thibodeau and the front office don’t get along. Trying to squelch those rumors, vice president John Paxson said back in October that all the friction had been smoothed over before preseason camp had even started.


     


    Paxson reiterated that point several times throughout the season, insisting that Thibodeau “is not going anywhere.’’


     


     


     


    WHAT was I thinking? 


     


     


     


     


     


    "Climb on my back, boys, and I'll take you home." - Cedric Maxwell

    "You show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Red Auerbach

    "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." - Hedley Lamarr

    If no Bynum injury, no Gasol trade - last word!!





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    But didn't you say a few weeks ago D'Antoni would be the Lakers coach next season. I think you said "good luck with that"???? Hummmm... I think you were the same guy who said Dwight will not be a Laker "deal with it"???? Hummmmm.... and the same one who invents stories about no one wanting to deal with Mitch Kupchak??? Hummmm... Can you post a link from a general maneger from another team who says they will not deal with Kupchak???? It seem you like to posts links, get that one for me please. Never red that one... Hummmmm.....

     
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    Re: Thibodeau to Lakers?

    I doubt he could turn that franchise back in contention with a depleted roster that easy.

     
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    Re: Thibodeau to Lakers?

    I agree with the Big Ticket................Thibs has about as much chance of turning the lakers around in 1 year, as Phony Phil does of turning the Knicks around in 1 year!  And, of course, Thibs isn't going there, anyway!


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    "You show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Red Auerbach

    "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." - Hedley Lamarr

    If no Bynum injury, no Gasol trade - last word!!

     
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    We are not expecting a turn around in one year. Same way a turn around will not happen with the Lakers in one year it will not happen in one year for the Celtics either. I expect us to contend in 3 to 5 years. Thibbs is not the only choice. There are many more choices to pick from. But doesn't matter who the Lakers pick as coach Celtics fan will say it was the worst coach we could have picked. That's how it works. How is Brad Stevens working out?


     
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    PS: It's called track record...


     
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    http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-news-kobe-wants-accelerated-rebuild-for-selfish-reasons/2014/03/23/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-news-kobe-wants-accelerated-rebuild-for-selfish-reasons/2014/03/23/


     


     


    "Climb on my back, boys, and I'll take you home." - Cedric Maxwell

    "You show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Red Auerbach

    "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." - Hedley Lamarr

    If no Bynum injury, no Gasol trade - last word!!

     
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    Kobe will have no say.


     
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    Re: Thibodeau to Lakers?

    Just like Kobe didn't have a say in hiring Mike Brown or D'Antoni he will have to wait his 2 year contract at least to contend again.


     





     
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    Re: Thibodeau to Lakers?

    So, kobe wants Thibs.....................this thread is about the possibility of Thibs going to the lakers.............the Bulls say no way..............but now that whiny baby kobe has spoken, the Bulls are going to bend over backwards to give the lakers permission to talk to him?


    But, of course, kobe has NO input...................................right!


    "Climb on my back, boys, and I'll take you home." - Cedric Maxwell

    "You show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Red Auerbach

    "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." - Hedley Lamarr

    If no Bynum injury, no Gasol trade - last word!!

     
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    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10868198/los-angeles-lakers-need-new-identity" rel="nofollow">http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10868198/los-angeles-lakers-need-new-identity


     


     


    "Climb on my back, boys, and I'll take you home." - Cedric Maxwell

    "You show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Red Auerbach

    "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." - Hedley Lamarr

    If no Bynum injury, no Gasol trade - last word!!

     
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    Re: Thibodeau to Lakers?

    In response to mossad-did-911's comment:


    1)you're saying a lot without actually saying anything at all. can you prove that overplaying players has led to injuries? can you prove that Thib's plays his best players more than every other coach plays their best players? 


    2)this is your claim. so the burden of proof is on you. you do the googling. 


    3)everyone else seems to be able to keep the situation in perspective.


     




    1) Without saying anything at all? Actually I made a clear point and I gave proof for it. What have you proven so far? But ok, one more time:


    a) no I cannot proof that Thibs overplaying of certain players has led to injuries. Why? Cause no one can. It is impossible to proof that. Mr Pringels overplayed Kobe (Minutes per game 2012/13 #2). Is there a correlation with Kobe's injured achiles. Most likely, but is there proof?


    b)But there is proof that Thibs overplays key players (note: not his best players, like you tend to say). Just check the minutes/game in the RS: 2010/11: Deng #4, 2011/12 Deng #1, 2012/13 Deng #1, 2013/14 Butler #1.


    2) See 1b)


    3) Everyone?


    http://www.csnchicago.com/video_content_type/sportstalk-live-does-thibs-overwork-his-players" rel="nofollow">http://www.csnchicago.com/video_content_type/sportstalk-live-does-thibs-overwork-his-players


    http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/thibs_defends_butler_use_after_60_minute_game/15569078?linksrc=story_article_yb_related_head_15569078" rel="nofollow">http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/thibs_defends_butler_use_after_60_minute_game/15569078?linksrc=story_article_yb_related_head_15569078 "Thibodeau has been criticized in years past for overplaying All-Star Luol Deng and, before his string of injuries, former league MVP Derrick Rose"


    http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/709/knicks-dolan-to-chase-thibs-dont-rule-it-out" rel="nofollow">http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/709/knicks-dolan-to-chase-thibs-dont-rule-it-out "...and the occasional grumble in circulation about some of the Bulls’ players chafing at how hard Thibs pushes them in practice"


    Also: I have it in perspective. I'm not saying Thibs is a bad Coach. I'm just saying he is looking for a nice RS record and he does not value rest (in games an practice) for the play offs as a part of regual season like great coaches do.  I'm saying he might be the best defensive coach in the league, he just isn't a great head coach yet (which doesn't mean he is bad, just not great).


     

     
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    Re: Thibodeau to Lakers?

    In response to mossad-did-911's comment:


    those are fluffy opinion articles, not evidence. look at D.Rose's career minutes played per game and then look at every other super stars MPG. there is nothing abnormal. 




    So, I gave proof that others (Journalist, ex-Players, current Players) share my opinion. I gave proof that Thibs Players tyically log heavy minutes (by giving Facts), and this is all fluffy? So tell me, what do you have besides your opinion? Gues your opinion is not fluffy?


    And again, I didn't talk about Rose or Super stars. I was talking about Thibs starting five and the usage of his bench even before Rose's injury.


     

     
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