THIS ARTICLE CUTS TO THE CHASE... SHAQ'S BETTER THAN PERK AS CELTICS, EVEN ON DEFENSE!

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    THIS ARTICLE CUTS TO THE CHASE... SHAQ'S BETTER THAN PERK AS CELTICS, EVEN ON DEFENSE!

    http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?columnist=lundblad_jeremy&id=6156817

    i did not know kg was the leader in +/- with shaq a CLOSE second! i know pp was leading it earlier in the year and likely still is in the top 10. fact is whoever plays center with kg around will do just fine! opponents are shooting less than 33% against shaq (post-up situations).. shaq's defensive numbers have been superior to perk's (ditto with his rebounding) but where shaq completely blows out perk is on the offensive end and just by his presence... even in '07 at perk's BEST, the rest of the starters efficiency was no where near whhat it is with shaq thus far. we rebound better, and play better with shaq! plus everyone forgets in the orlando game when baby played 40 minutes, he limited the great HOWARD to only 6 points! shaq will be there when it counts and he will be the reason we get that ring!
     
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    [QUOTE]http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?columnist=lundblad_jeremy&id=6156817 i did not know kg was the leader in +/-.. know pp was leading it earlier in the year and likely still is in the top 10. fact is whoever plays center with kg around will do just fine! where shaq completely blows out perk is on the offensive end and just by his presence... even in '07 at perk's BEST, the rest of the starters efficiency was no where near whhat it is with shaq thus far. we rebound better, and play better with shaq! plus everyone forgets in the orlando game when baby played 40 minutes, he limited the great HOWARD to only 6 points! shaq will be there when it counts and he will be the reason we get that ring!
    Posted by COMMUNIST-CONTRARIAN[/QUOTE]

    Did not read the article, did not read what you wrote - there is not even a remote possibility in my mind that Perk is better than Shaq.

    What I thought was funny was in the offseason people wet their pants thinking that nobody could replace Perk.

    What we found was that when healthy both O'Neals are better than Perk.

    What a stunner one of the all time greatest centers is better than a journeyman defensive specialist who was exposed over and over again against good offensive players.

    In Perk's 8 years there was not even one minute during which Perk was better than Shaq so all of a sudden an article is written that espouses as much and it is somehow a surprise.

    Like Rondo, the amount by which Perk can be overrated cannot be overstated.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to THIS ARTICLE CUTS TO THE CHASE... SHAQ'S BETTER THAN PERK! : Did not read the article, did not read what you wrote - there is not even a remote possibility in my mind that Perk is better than Shaq. What I thought was funny was in the offseason people wet their pants thinking that nobody could replace Perk. What we found was that when healthy both O'Neals are better than Perk. What a stunner one of the all time greatest centers is better than a journeyman defensive specialist who was exposed over and over again against good offensive players. In Perk's 8 years there was not even one minute during which Perk was better than Shaq so all of a sudden an article is written that espouses as much and it is somehow a surprise. Like Rondo, the amount by which Perk can be overrated cannot be overstated.
    Posted by TheDUDDER[/QUOTE]

    Over their careers no Perk is not better.  At this time YES he is better.  I bet OKC wouldn't have done the trade by getting Shaq.  You are exposed for a hater again.
     
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    Shaq even at this late stage in his career is better than Perk in just about every phase of the game except defending the pick and roll.  The question is whether he's healthy enough to show it.

    After getting over the initial shock, I like the trade.  But if Shaq goes down in the playoffs and JO is also unavailable, we are toast.

     
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    Is it me or is weird that celt fans are gushing over an old Shaq? The young Shaq we had in L.A was a beast and yet celtic fans continually put him down. Go figure, now the tables have turned for the 60yr old Shaq.
     
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    Don't get me wrong..I love Shaq, and he is one of the kets to Boston winning a championship and I am glad he is with the Celtics, but it is very hard to compare him with Perk. there is too much of a difference in age, size, and the way both players play defense. Shaq is a better scorer and Perk is (now was) a great defender, and he is sadly missed.

    I am glad CELTS got Green, but not too sure how I feel about Krstic..just don't know anything about the guy, and we had such a force with Perk, Shaq, JON..and second to none. 
     
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    Perk is not better, but he is younger. he can play more minutes and is less likely to get hurt. betting on the JO and Shaq is risky. Neither have been able to stay nothe court. 
     
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    Anyone who posts that Shaq is better than perk defensively, is Blind!Smile
     
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    if we can get shaq and JON to the playoffs without a major injury, we'll be fine. there is a BIG difference between "hurt" during the season and "hurt" during the playoffs. remember the injuries parish, mchale and walton played with? we'll be fine.
     
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    and, yeah, to answer the question, perk isn't as good as a 38-year-old shaq. we saw that the first 45 games.
     
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    Statistics lie if not taken in the right context.

    It is obvious to anyone who watched the Celtics play defense, that KG saves Shaq's behind on pick and role defense. Shaq is a statue that gets into foul trouble in the first period, on defense.

    On offense, Shaq is at least two leagues above Perk.

    We will be fine as long as we do not meet the Lakers in the finals.
     
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    [QUOTE]Statistics lie if not taken in the right context. It is obvious to anyone who watched the Celtics play defense, that KG saves Shaq's behind on pick and role defense. Shaq is a statue that gets into foul trouble in the first period, on defense. On offense, Shaq is at least two leagues above Perk. We will be fine as long as we do not meet the Lakers in the finals.
    Posted by Jump-ball-overtime[/QUOTE]

    The Lakers are not a problem. Gasol vs. KG and Odom vs. Green in the last 5 minutes of the game. Phil Jackson prefers playing Gasol and Odom in crunch time.
     
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    [QUOTE]Statistics lie if not taken in the right context. It is obvious to anyone who watched the Celtics play defense, that KG saves Shaq's behind on pick and role defense. Shaq is a statue that gets into foul trouble in the first period, on defense. On offense, Shaq is at least two leagues above Perk. We will be fine as long as we do not meet the Lakers in the finals.
    Posted by Jump-ball-overtime[/QUOTE]propaganda lies, facts and my eyes do not. yes, shaq has a tough time on pik and roll and always has. has tough time with help-outs in general.. but thats just a part of defense. we are talking man on man, one on one defense! shaq is better.. period. you cant move him off the block. plus his offense helps his defense. he can talk trash and get in your head with an actual game not just an empty scowl! shaq is actually better at the intimidation game. his fouls are harder and hurt more! plus what noone is even mentioning is how GREAT shaq is at passing the ball. no need to just go through kg all the time. you can throw it in to shaq and let him dictate the offense by making a move or hitting the open guy. perk was often like a bulll in the china shop.. with hands of stones. how many turnovers per possession did perk have? i will bet it almost double what it is for shaq who has far softer hands. did you see perk trying to set picks? heck he got hurt doing that last time. how many moving screens? 
     
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    [QUOTE]Anyone who posts that Shaq is better than perk defensively, is Blind!
    Posted by larry1717[/QUOTE]statistics and my eyes do not lie... you are blinded by perception, thus owillfully overlook reality! we are primarily talking one on one defense... man on man... the kind of defense we will need on bynum or howard! the bottom line is that shaq's guys on POST-UPS are shooting only 33%! that is one of the top 5 in the league.. perk is much higher.. in perk's best years (2007) he did not come close to this.. that is a FACT! perk hustles, perk has an attitude, i would love him as a backup on my team! (behind shaq)..... unfortunately as much as we all want to think perk was such a team guy, he already announced that he was entitled to be starting.. i remember perk saying back in the al jefferson days that he was one of the top 5 great looking guys on the team in a running battle with al.. noe, if you perk can look in a mirror and actually delude himself with that, clearly he is not good at assessing his true basketball reality! perk sjhould be behind shaq, he would have had a beef with that! sure thats part of the reason he head to leave!



     
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    [QUOTE]Shaq even at this late stage in his career is better than Perk in just about every phase of the game except defending the pick and roll.  The question is whether he's healthy enough to show it. After getting over the initial shock, I like the trade.  But if Shaq goes down in the playoffs and JO is also unavailable, we are toast.
    Posted by paulliu[/QUOTE]WRONG! if both jo and shaq go down, we are ONLY in trouble if we perhaps play orlando or lakers! i say perhaps even then, because baby actually may be as good as shaq in many ways in overall defense esp on pick and rolls and drawing charges! shaq is more intimidating and block shots but baby is great... versus chicago who we likely will play, i would rather have kg at the 5 at crucial points with jeff green at the 4! same with miami when big z is in there and bosh is on the bench.. even then, you can put jeff green on bosh and put kev on z for a breather here and there (better legs for better offense)...
     
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    Perk must truly have made a huge impact here.  Enough so,that some consider it news that the hall-of-famer Shaq can be better than Perk for the 18 minutes that Shaq can move down the court without limping.  Well- Duhh-- as in Duhhder.
     
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    [QUOTE]Perk must truly have made a huge impact here.  Enough so,that some consider it news that the hall-of-famer Shaq can be better than Perk for the 18 minutes that Shaq can move down the court without limping.  Well- Duhh-- as in Duhhder.
    Posted by thrombosis[/QUOTE]even when limping, shaq is better than perk!
     
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    [QUOTE]Shaq even at this late stage in his career is better than Perk in just about every phase of the game except defending the pick and roll.  The question is whether he's healthy enough to show it. After getting over the initial shock, I like the trade.  But if Shaq goes down in the playoffs and JO is also unavailable, we are toast.
    Posted by paulliu[/QUOTE]

    I agree with you.  The health of the O'Neill's is very important for the remainder of the season and in the playoffs.  I would expect that Danny will sign another big man.  We should find out soon.  I will never be happy about this trade.  This was never mentioned, but I believe that if the Celtics had resigned Tony Allen and Rasheed, trading Perk would never have happened.  We would have had Tony Allen as a bench player to backup Paul, etc. and Rasheed would have been available.  If Rasheed was still with the Celtics, we wouldn't have signed Jermaine who hasn't contributed much this season.  Danny probably would have still traded the rookies and Marquis in order to give us some other options.  Just my thoughts on the current Celtics situation. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Statistics lie if not taken in the right context. It is obvious to anyone who watched the Celtics play defense, that KG saves Shaq's behind on pick and role defense. Shaq is a statue that gets into foul trouble in the first period, on defense. On offense, Shaq is at least two leagues above Perk. We will be fine as long as we do not meet the Lakers in the finals.
    Posted by Jump-ball-overtime[/QUOTE]

    I guess everyone forgot that Shaq would either foul out or nearly foul out every game.  I sure hope he learns how to stay on the floor longer.  If he does and by some good luck we get JO back we are good to go. I thought JO was our best defensive big man when he played earlier this year.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: THIS ARTICLE CUTS TO THE CHASE... SHAQ'S BETTER THAN PERK AS CELTICS, EVEN ON DEFENSE! : I agree with you.  The health of the O'Neill's is very important for the remainder of the season and in the playoffs.  I would expect that Danny will sign another big man.  We should find out soon.  I will never be happy about this trade.  This was never mentioned, but I believe that if the Celtics had resigned Tony Allen and Rasheed, trading Perk would never have happened.  We would have had Tony Allen as a bench player to backup Paul, etc. and Rasheed would have been available.  If Rasheed was still with the Celtics, we wouldn't have signed Jermaine who hasn't contributed much this season.  Danny probably would have still traded the rookies and Marquis in order to give us some other options.  Just my thoughts on the current Celtics situation. 
    Posted by susan250[/QUOTE]good points but you are making the same error others do with sheed.. u do realize that it was SHEED who initiated the not playing thing, not the celts! sheed had a contract for this year, remember? celts actually had given him a 3 year contract (2 years were guaranteed with a team option for year 3).. we give sheed money and contract to jo.. then again, miami, orlando or LA would have had jo and some confidence for the playoffs. tony allen, i can agree with you.. but as the coach of memphis has repeated over and over. allen is a high energy but very limited player whose best assets are behind the scenes in guiding the youth (hopefully not on how to collect card debts) and playing good defense at the 2 and 3. 

    as much as i like tony, with him, you always need another guy on the bench who can score from the outside and with more length. at 4m, tony overpriced himself to DA as did perk. danny has a lot of other issues to focus on.. the future and $ are part of it even as he focuses on winning in the here and now. he saw what happened to the old big 3 and rightfully wants to avoid that scenario. bottom line, our odds of winning a ring for the next 2 years just went up more  in our favor than it has been since 2007. i think we are a better team right now than we have been at any other point this year! 

    with jeff green, you eliminate the need to possibly rotate 2 other guys. that helps for the playoffs. baby can play about 20 minutes rather than 30 and just play PF until the last 5 minutes if necessary to close out the games. green can do the same, mostly at SF but some pf to make sure bb doesnt play more than 20. this will keep this team fresh as they were last night when they came back in to close out the game. by rotating in 3 centers at all times eso in the regular season, celts will keep everyone fresh and healthier which is a key. just shaq, nenad and dave johnson makes us better than what most other teams can throw out there... pick up a murphy, add jo to that 3-headed monster and we just supersize our odds even more.... these are the best of times!

     
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    MY SISTER!
     
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    paulli liu,

    If they get injured..shaq and jo..thats why we have murphy and powe...

    where at center your looking at a unit of

    1. shaq,kristich,jo

    PF,

    2. KG, BABY,Murphy
    and as a injuiry/ sub guy for both positions. leon powe....

    Ill take that..
     
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    Danny improved our chances to win THIS season with the trade. There's no way Perk will contribute much at all until next season. ACL's are no joke, I've torn three of them so I know. His entire game is crippled by the fact that he can't ever land one footed lest he risk his graft. He just sprained his other MCL, probably due to overcompensation. 
     
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