This is Not on the Defense

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    [QUOTE]Can't put the blame on the defense against the Sixers. Most of the Sixer points came from jump shots. The problem is KG is not rising up to the challenge the last 2 games. When the Celts won 5 straight KG was averaging a double-double and was shooting well above 50%.
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    I am sure you have been watching basketball for a long time but not sure if you noticed Pierce and Ray had to check and were checked by guys that are 10 years younger and 10 times more athletic, oh and when they put up the stats of "tonights key matchup" which was KG and Brand, Brand lead in every stat they showed - one that stuck out to me was how head to head KG averages 44% from the floor whereas Brand shoots 55% against KG.

    Do we need to go through the whole Boston Globetrotters agains the Washington Generals conversation all over again - the opponent is generally a bunch of nameless faceless guys who are playing from a script.  In this case they are much younger, quicker, more athletic, and have finally gotten some really good coaching.

    So the thread name is appropriate - this is not on the defense, you are absolutely correct, it was on the 6ers defense and they took the challenge.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to This is Not on the Defense : I am sure you have been watching basketball for a long time but not sure if you noticed Pierce and Ray had to check and were checked by guys that are 10 years younger and 10 times more athletic, oh and when they put up the stats of "tonights key matchup" which was KG and Brand, Brand lead in every stat they showed - one that stuck out to me was how head to head KG averages 44% from the floor whereas Brand shoots 55% against KG. Do we need to go through the whole Boston Globetrotters agains the Washington Generals conversation all over again - the opponent is generally a bunch of nameless faceless guys who are playing from a script.  In this case they are much younger, quicker, more athletic, and have finally gotten some really good coaching. So the thread name is appropriate - this is not on the defense, you are absolutely correct, it was on the 6ers defense and they took the challenge.
    Posted by TheDUDDER[/QUOTE]

    Nope... It's on fatigue... The Celtics would of killed this team 1 month ago with the same line-up.
     
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    [QUOTE]They had no business losing to Clippers on two days rest!!!  That was plenty of time to rest.  Im not buying the tired excuse!!!
    Posted by jdm894g[/QUOTE]
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    this team lost some chymtry on D...the new guys don't understand stand the system
     
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    The D only allowed 89 points so hard to blame them this game...however the D has been kinda soft in general of late. It's largely a correctable problem. 

    As for this: "Kristic isn't the issue on the defensive end, it comes down to Garnett being the enforcer" - You believe this even though Kristic himself admits he has to learn the defensive schemes in order to be effective? 

    Defense is a team effort. Celtics will need to tighten it up. Right now they need more health and more rest for the starters. Some are panicking but I don't see why.
     
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    [QUOTE]The D only allowed 89 points so hard to blame them this game...however the D has been kinda soft in general of late. It's largely a correctable problem.  As for this: " Kristic isn't the issue on the defensive end, it comes down to Garnett being the enforcer" - You believe this even though Kristic himself admits he has to learn the defensive schemes in order to be effective?  Defense is a team effort. Celtics will need to tighten it up. Right now they need more health and more rest for the starters. Some are panicking but I don't see why.
    Posted by BostonTrollSpanker[/QUOTE]

    You just made my point!!!

     
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    Celtics score over a 100 points against the Lakers in Staples the Celts win. In Boston the Celts couldn't score 90 points against the same Lakers and Lakers win. 

    If both teams are elite teams and both are also great defensive teams it will come down to who has the better offense. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is Not on the Defense : Nope... It's on fatigue... The Celtics would of killed this team 1 month ago with the same line-up.
    Posted by paulbrr7[/QUOTE]

    So when you watch games, you ignore everything that the experts say - like when Doc says Collins has them playing really well, they are young and athletic, and sharing the ball and playing great defense - you just simply ignore that...... and then when someone says Holiday has really come a long way as a second year point guard and has really become a floor general and is only 20 years old.... you just simply ignore that and think oh well they are just the 6ers - they s uck so the Cs should just roll over them?

    p.s. would of is not in the English language, it is would have - I would have gone to the store but gas prices are too high....
     
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    Why did we get Murphy again??
     
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    [QUOTE]Why did we get Murphy again??
    Posted by KGLove[/QUOTE]

    So that the Heat will not get him.
     
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    [QUOTE]Celtics score over a 100 points against the Lakers in Staples the Celts win. In Boston the Celts couldn't score 90 points against the same Lakers and Lakers win.  If both teams are elite teams and both are also great defensive teams it will come down to who has the better offense. 
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    Or it comes down to who has the better defense.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is Not on the Defense : So that the Heat will not get him.
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    That's a dumb reason, it's not like they would have used him any way ... and even if they did its not like he plays defense
     
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    [QUOTE]Pierce had 5 fouls and Green 4 ... covering Iquodala & Young who in turn only registered 3 fouls combined.
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    Not blaming Rondo and Allen but the had zero fouls. You have to be more agressive than that in a close game.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is Not on the Defense : So when you watch games, you ignore everything that the experts say - like when Doc says Collins has them playing really well, they are young and athletic, and sharing the ball and playing great defense - you just simply ignore that...... and then when someone says Holiday has really come a long way as a second year point guard and has really become a floor general and is only 20 years old.... you just simply ignore that and think oh well they are just the 6ers - they s uck so the Cs should just roll over them? p.s. would of is not in the English language, it is would have - I would have gone to the store but gas prices are too high....
    Posted by TheDUDDER[/QUOTE]

    Hey Dud! Which is very fitting.. If you really think the 6ers could beat a healthy rested Celtic team then you are as oblivious as you alway's sound. Allen was 2-11 Garnett was 5-13 Pierce took 7 shots. Not because of the "great" D, Allen was open all night and so was Garnett.  A rested team would not be 11-31 combined. Fatigued! So crawl back in your basement and stop making a jack_ _ _ out of yourself. "Doc says" idiot!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is Not on the Defense : So that the Heat will not get him.
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]


    Better strategy is to let the Heat have Murphy....they THEY would have a waste on their roster!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is Not on the Defense : Hey Dud! Which is very fitting.. If you really think the 6ers could beat a healthy rested Celtic team then you are as oblivious as you alway's sound. Allen was 2-11 Garnett was 5-13 Pierce took 7 shots. Not because of the "great" D, Allen was open all night and so was Garnett.  A rested team would not be 11-31 combined. Fatigued! So crawl back in your basement and stop making a jack_ _ _ out of yourself. "Doc says" idiot!
    Posted by paulbrr7[/QUOTE]

    So let me see if I understand this... Doc says they are young, much more athletic, have lots of talent, and are finally listening to their coaching we should just ignore it and say that the Cs missed wide open shots....... you may not have realized over the years but the differnece between making wide open shots and not making wide open shots is the fact that the shots are not wide open and that the split second difference is the reason the shots don't go in............. hmmmm........  but of course why on earth would you listen to the guy who is coaching the team as opposed to ignoring what is actually happening... Tommy the buffoon, never been seen in the same room with Fred Flintstone goes on and on about how AI gives Pierce fits, the "key players of the game" shows how head to head KG is outplayed by Brand, Young is obviously a much more athletic player, Hawes and Krstic played each other to a standstill, and Rondo what should have been an advantage against a second year player was not......

    All of the stats you quote happen for a reason - the reason?   They are not playing the Washington Generals, they are playing actual players and in many cases they are playing much better players or much younger players or much more athletic players.... how that cannot be anymore obvious is simply beyond me.

    p.s. they went from the 6th to the 9th without playing a game.... tired... yeah or maybe just playing, as was commented on by their coach and the guys calling the game, a  young talented and well coached team.....

    with everyone going on in the middle-east you might want to check in and see that denial is not a river in Egypt............. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is Not on the Defense : Or it comes down to who has the better defense.
    Posted by OneOnOne[/QUOTE]

    It's easier to score on Kobe than stop Kobe from scoring. 

    The Celts can win with defense against the Spurs or the Mavs. But there's no way the Celts are going to stop Kobe from scoring. It's very rare to see Kobe score less than 10 points in a game.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is Not on the Defense : That's a dumb reason, it's not like they would have used him any way ... and even if they did its not like he plays defense
    Posted by KGLove[/QUOTE]

    Guess you didn't get the joke.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is Not on the Defense : So let me see if I understand this... Doc says they are young, much more athletic, have lots of talent, and are finally listening to their coaching we should just ignore it and say that the Cs missed wide open shots....... you may not have realized over the years but the difernece between making wide open shots and not making wide open shots is Fatigue the fact that the shots are (Ray was open all night, not that he needs to be open as history has proven) not wide open and that the split second difference is the reason the shots don't go in............. hmmmm........  but of course why on earth would you listen to the guy who is coaching the team as opposed to ignoring what is actually happening... Tommy the buffoon, never been seen in the same room with Fred Flintstone goes on and on about how AI gives Pierce fits, the "key players of the game" shows how head to head KG is outplayed by Brand, Young is obviously a much more athletic player, Hawes and Krstic played each other to a standstill, and Rondo what should have been an advantage against a second year player was not...... All of the stats you quote happen for a reason - the reason?   They are not playing the Washington Generals, they are playing actual players and in many cases they are playing much better players or much younger players or much more athletic players.... how that cannot be anymore obvious is simply beyond me. p.s. they went from the 6th to the 9th without playing a game.... tired... yeah or maybe just playing, as was commented on by their coach and the guys calling the game, a  young talented and well coached team..... with everyone going on in the middle-east you might want to check in and see that denial is not a river in Egypt............. 
    Posted by TheDUDDER[/QUOTE]

    Ok master of the English language... So the 6ers will go further than the C's in the play-offs?   Oh and you are correct I did miss Doc saying the 6ers are a better team than the C's... Because he didn't say it!! Praising the other teams coach and players doesn't mean anything other then Doc being Doc. If you ask Doc do you think the 6ers are a better team then the C's, what does he say?
     
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    Need to get out and cover the 3 pointer...too many open shots...guess C's rather protect the interior...
     
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    [QUOTE]Need to get out and cover the 3 pointer...too many open shots...guess C's rather protect the interior...
    Posted by beavis[/QUOTE]

    Just look at the Sixers tonight, getting blown out by the Bucks. It's not every night you shoot lights out!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is Not on the Defense : Just look at the Sixers tonight, getting blown out by the Bucks. It's not every night you shoot lights out!
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    The Bucks must be younger and more athletic then the sixers.
     
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    completely right in that the loss to the sixers was not on the defense, but the loss to the clippers can absolutely be blamed on the defense, and our defense of late has been sub-par
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is Not on the Defense : It's easier to score on Kobe than stop Kobe from scoring.  The Celts can win with defense against the Spurs or the Mavs. But there's no way the Celts are going to stop Kobe from scoring. It's very rare to see Kobe score less than 10 points in a game.
    Posted by P34[/QUOTE]

    of course no-one is going to stop kobe from getting his points. the key is to reduce his efficiency, make him jack up lots of shots and take away scoring opportunities from their big men.

    e.g. kobe shot 40% against us in the 08 finals with lots of turnovers and not many assists

    6 for 24 in game 7, his teammates bailed him out
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: This is Not on the Defense : of course no-one is going to stop kobe from getting his points. the key is to reduce his efficiency, make him jack up lots of shots and take away scoring opportunities from their big men. e.g. kobe shot 40% against us in the 08 finals with lots of turnovers and not many assists 6 for 24 in game 7, his teammates bailed him out
    Posted by teh-n00b[/QUOTE]

    The Celtics held the Lakers to 83 points in Game 7, can't get anymore defensive than that! 

    Perk didn't play in Game 7 but the Cs still managed to hold the Lakers to 83 points. Clearly defense wasn't the problem. The lack of offense cost the Celtics Game 7! Ray Allen only shot 3-14, only 1 FG made from the 1st qtr. up to the 3rd qtr. What's worse is the Celtics only got 6 points from their bench. 
     
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