Throw some money at Billups,Young,Evans,Martin,Garnett,Bass and Allen.

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    Throw some money at Billups,Young,Evans,Martin,Garnett,Bass and Allen.

    PG- Rondo,Billups, Moore
    SG- Bradley, Ray Allen (Draft Pick)
    SF-Pierce, Nick Young, JJJ 
    PF- Bass, Reggie Evans, Kenyon Martin
    C- K.G., Stiemsma, Hollins

    As always, we have no scorers off the bench. You need reliable scorers AND defenders off the bench.
    We can't go another season relying on one guy to do the scoring for the bench (Ray Allen).

    Jeff Green is not a guy who can reliably get his own shot IMO. Nick Young on the floor WITH Ray Allen would be KILLER!!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUOOR-_2pSU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=avJmMXkRDJc&NR=1
     
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    Re: Throw some money at Billups,Young,Evans,Martin,Garnett,Bass and Allen.

    You've been on Young for years, he's nothing but a selfish scorer who does little else... you can't have him and Ray, and choosing him over Green, when he will likely ask for 3-4X the $ and isn't even a real SF (3-4" shorter) is foolish

    Billups as a backup to Rondo who can play some SG, is a graet move, not likely to happen, but I'd love him to replace Dooling.

    This team needs a major splash, good rebounder, 32 minute big man to be a contender, Evans/Martin are stopgap 9th men, nothing special. Bass needs to be pushed to the bench
     
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    I hope that's not our team for next year.
     
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    can you explain to me who JJJ is? You have a nice team out there. I am interested in one thing. I know the reason you want Billups it is a good thought. However achilles, I dont think he is going to leave the clips either.
     
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    Re: Throw some money at Billups,Young,Evans,Martin,Garnett,Bass and Allen.

    I like Mayo over Young - I like Humphries or Hill over Evans - no Jeff Green??

    My two versions for teams next year would be:
    Rondo/Bradley
    Mayo/Ray OR Pietrus
    PP/Green
    KG/Hill
    Draft pick/Steamer

    Version 2:
    Rondo/Bradley
    Waiters/Lamb/ Ray OR Pietrus
    PP/Green
    Humphries/Bass
    KG/draft pick
     
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    In Response to Re: Throw some money at Billups,Young,Evans,Martin,Garnett,Bass and Allen.:
    [QUOTE]I like Mayo over Young - I like Humphries or Hill over Evans - no Jeff Green?? My two versions for teams next year would be: Rondo/Bradley Mayo/Ray OR Pietrus PP/Green KG/Hill Draft pick/Steamer Version 2: Rondo/Bradley Waiters/Lamb/ Ray OR Pietrus PP/Green Humphries/Bass KG/draft pick
    Posted by hedleylamarr[/QUOTE]

    100% agree

    and would add in that since there is no Bass in ur option 1 but a draft pick at Center it would be a good move to use Bass in a sign and trade to move up with 1 or both picks to get a better Center than at 22 (Zeller maybe?).

    I just don't see any C in this draft being a difference maker on a title run next year. Zeller is a solid rebounder and slight upgrade to Steamer who would def get time next year. Melo all defense no offense we could prob stay at 21/22 to get. Leonard is 2-3 years away but likely to be the best of the 3.

    I'd rather keep KG at the 5 and get Moultrie, Sullnger or Jones. I'd trust Danny to pick the bets pro of the 3 if he has them all in for workouts.
     
    Bass is a mediocre rebounding jump shooting big. with him out of the picture maybe you trade him (a NO native) in a deal for Kaman. I would trade Bass (after he signs a 5/30 deal), E'Twuan and a pick for Kaman (say 2/18 or 4/30) and Jarrett Jack (1 year 5m left). Or maybe another Center could eb had for such a package.
     
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    I like Ray at 4-6 million or Pietrus at 2-3 million for 1year over Young at 7-9 per over 4 years... let alone Green.

    I think people forget that over hs final 2 and a haf years in OKC Green was a 16 point 6 rebound 1 steal a game guy who could put the ball in the hoop at like 45% and flashed serious athletic skills that showed he could both run and finish above the rim and defend big SF's.

    Unfortunetely he was playing out of position a PF and had a heart condition.

    I think he deserves to be given a chance here over Nick Young, a good shooter who gives you NOTHING anywhere else. Career 1.9 rebounds, 0.9 assists,0.5 steals). Ray Allen was a 4.5 rebound, 4.0 assist, 1.3 steal player in his 23-27 age range.

     
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    [QUOTE]I like Ray at 4-6 million or Pietrus at 2-3 million for 1year over Young at 7-9 per over 4 years... let alone Green. I think people forget that over hs final 2 and a haf years in OKC Green was a 16 point 6 rebound 1 steal a game guy who could put the ball in the hoop at like 45% and flashed serious athletic skills that showed he could both run and finish above the rim and defend big SF's. Unfortunetely he was playing out of position a PF and had a heart condition. I think he deserves to be given a chance here over Nick Young, a good shooter who gives you NOTHING anywhere else. Career 1.9 rebounds, 0.9 assists,0.5 steals). Ray Allen was a 4.5 rebound, 4.0 assist, 1.3 steal player in his 23-27 age range.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    I agree, I don't want Nick Young....I would still take his buddy Blatche!  If WAS takes Robinson in the draft, what is the need for Blatche?
     
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    Re: Throw some money at Billups,Young,Evans,Martin,Garnett,Bass and Allen.

    The Cs will have great flexibilty this offseason. They shouldn't waste it on old washed up has-beens.

    Here are the free agent priorities (FAP) I'm hoping the Cs successfully follow...

    FAP#1: Spencer Hawes, C - 76ers
    The Celtics center position has sucked since Robert Parish left. The overall quality of post-Chief centers has been the primary reason this once storied franchise has won only 1 title in 26 seasons (no, they aren't going to win it all this year). Hawes has finally come into his own this season with a career best 18.1 PER. Heading into game 6 vs Chicago, Hawes PER has climbed to 21.5 in the series. Unlike the overrated Chris Kaman, Hawes is only 24, still has upside, and doesn't have the wear and tear of a 30+ year old. Hawes would greatly improve the C's. Centers with his youth/productivity/upside become available just once in every third blue moon. If Danny is unable to get him, it would be an epic fail.

    FAP#2: Gerald Wallace, SF - Nets
    After the second half collapse in game 7 of the NBA Finals, the C's have been playoff fodder since. Part of the reason for this is an aging nucleus, but compounding the problem is the sad reality that Celtics bench simply sucks. And sucks badly. Doc all but abandoned his bench in Tuesday's loss to the Hawks. With the 34 year old Paul Pierce playing with a sprained MCL, Marquis Daniels and Sasha Pavlovic were DNP-CD. Think about that. Let it settle in you mind. Mickael Pietrus? He's shooting 21.4% from the floor in the series. Feel free to use any cliches about beaches, oceans, and barns. Wallace isn't a great outside shooter, but more than makes up for it with his ability to attack the basket and finish and finding ways to score. He moves well without the ball, is great in transition, and is an elite defender at the 3. At 30, he may be open to a sixth man role. I hope.

    FAP#3: Re-signing KG and Ray
    They're still great players. They just can't play at a great level for as long as they have had in their great careers. The hope is that the money is right. I think both players like playing here.

    Beyond this, nothing excites me.

    I just hope Bass doesn't pick up his player option of $4.3mil. I like him, but I don't think Danny expects him to be around beyond this season. The Sixers will likely amnesty Elton Brand (yes, he will not ETO out of $18.2mil) if it means keeping Hawes.

    As for the backcourt, with the above changes, I'm fine with Rondo/Ray/Avery/Whoever. If Bradley can continue to improve his shooting, he could be something special.

    As for the OP, I like Young's potential, but I wouldn't pay significant money to get him. As for the rest, meh.
     
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    [QUOTE]The Cs will have great flexibilty this offseason. They shouldn't waste it on old washed up has-beens. Here are the free agent priorities (FAP) I'm hoping the Cs successfully follow... FAP#1: Spencer Hawes, C - 76ers The Celtics center position has sucked since Robert Parish left. The overall quality of post-Chief centers has been the primary reason this once storied franchise has won only 1 title in 26 seasons (no, they aren't going to win it all this year). Hawes has finally come into his own this season with a career best 18.1 PER. Heading into game 6 vs Chicago, Hawes PER has climbed to 21.5 in the series. Unlike the overrated Chris Kaman, Hawes is only 24, still has upside, and doesn't have the wear and tear of a 30+ year old. Hawes would greatly improve the C's. Centers with his youth/productivity/upside become available just once in every third blue moon. If Danny is unable to get him, it would be an epic fail. FAP#2: Gerald Wallace, SF - Nets After the second half collapse in game 7 of the NBA Finals, the C's have been playoff fodder since. Part of the reason for this is an aging nucleus, but compounding the problem is the sad reality that Celtics bench simply sucks. And sucks badly. Doc all but abandoned his bench in Tuesday's loss to the Hawks. With the 34 year old Paul Pierce playing with a sprained MCL, Marquis Daniels and Sasha Pavlovic were DNP-CD. Think about that. Let it settle in you mind. Mickael Pietrus? He's shooting 21.4% from the floor in the series. Feel free to use any cliches about beaches, oceans, and barns. Wallace isn't a great outside shooter, but more than makes up for it with his ability to attack the basket and finish and finding ways to score. He moves well without the ball, is great in transition, and is an elite defender at the 3. At 30, he may be open to a sixth man role. I hope. FAP#3: Re-signing KG and Ray They're still great players. They just can't play at a great level for as long as they have had in their great careers. The hope is that the money is right. I think both players like playing here. Beyond this, nothing excites me. I just hope Bass doesn't pick up his player option of $4.3mil. I like him, but I don't think Danny expects him to be around beyond this season. The Sixers will likely amnesty Elton Brand (yes, he will not ETO out of $18.2mil) if it means keeping Hawes. As for the backcourt, with the above changes, I'm fine with Rondo/Ray/Avery/Whoever. If Bradley can continue to improve his shooting, he could be something special. As for the OP, I like Young's potential, but I wouldn't pay significant money to get him. As for the rest, meh.
    Posted by CubanPete[/QUOTE]

    Billups,Evans, and Martin are no more washed up than K.G. and Ray.
     
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    [QUOTE]can you explain to me who JJJ is? You have a nice team out there. I am interested in one thing. I know the reason you want Billups it is a good thought. However achilles, I dont think he is going to leave the clips either.
    Posted by ojmega[/QUOTE]

    JaJuan Johnson. I know it's technically JJ.
     
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    [QUOTE]You've been on Young for years, he's nothing but a selfish scorer who does little else... you can't have him and Ray, and choosing him over Green, when he will likely ask for 3-4X the $ and isn't even a real SF (3-4" shorter) is foolish Billups as a backup to Rondo who can play some SG, is a graet move, not likely to happen, but I'd love him to replace Dooling. This team needs a major splash, good rebounder, 32 minute big man to be a contender, Evans/Martin are stopgap 9th men, nothing special. Bass needs to be pushed to the bench
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    If we can get Nick Young and keep Green? Plus! Plus!
    I'm conflicted because Pietrus is a better defender than Green, anf Jeff is a 10 times better scorer than Pietrus.
     
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    Green has the potential to be a better defender if he applies himself and improves than Pietrus the next few years b/c Peaches is like 31 and Green 25. At similar $ it is a no-brainer to go with Green as long as he is 100% medically cleared.

    Nick Young AND Green... only if Young wants Allen's 6th man role and comes here to play 18-22 minutes a game as an off the bench shooting specialist. As I've shown several time he does NOTHING else, is worth no more than 5-6 million a  year, and is not one of the top 4-5 players on a contender.
     
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    [QUOTE]PG- Rondo, Billups , Moore SG- Bradley, Ray Allen (Draft Pick) SF-Pierce, Nick Young, JJJ  PF- Bass, Reggie Evans, Kenyon Martin C- K.G., Stiemsma, Hollins As always, we have no scorers off the bench. You need reliable scorers AND defenders off the bench. We can't go another season relying on one guy to do the scoring for the bench (Ray Allen). Jeff Green is not a guy who can reliably get his own shot IMO. Nick Young on the floor  WITH Ray Allen would be KILLER !!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUOOR-_2pSU http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=avJmMXkRDJc&NR=1
    Posted by DaCeltics[/QUOTE]
    Oh and your team will be able to pay for all these players if you move up in the draft to say the 10 hole like some in this forum are predicting? Kenyon Martin another undersized big...that makes sense.
     
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    [QUOTE]Green has the potential to be a better defender if he applies himself and improves than Pietrus the next few years b/c Peaches is like 31 and Green 25. At similar $ it is a no-brainer to go with Green as long as he is 100% medically cleared. Nick Young AND Green... only if Young wants Allen's 6th man role and comes here to play 18-22 minutes a game as an off the bench shooting specialist. As I've shown several time he does NOTHING else, is worth no more than 5-6 million a  year, and is not one of the top 4-5 players on a contender.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    I agree except that he tries to play solid defense and does come up with timely steals and rebounds under pressure.
    Plus for a guy who loves to shoot, he rarely forces the issue when it's time to pass the ball.
    Unlike Pierce, he never seems to commit offensive fouls either.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z67bBf7JdjI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SJKVZe0Dwk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXc2HxuKOdQ&feature=related
     
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    couple of nice clips, and he's young enough to improve, but none of those rebounds and steals show up in the stats and he seems to not dish it out at all
     
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    I thought Billups injury to his Achilles was a year recovery making his come back sometime in Feb next year? I also thought he really lost a step when we saw him getting big minutes with the Knicks. Young, Martin and the also mentioned Blatche are knuckle heads. Can't rely on a knucklehead. I think it's a done deal Danny brings everyone back including Wilcox and Green assuming dollars are on the same page. Focus on the draft as it seems obvious Moore and JJJ aren't talented enough
     
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    I think Nick Young would be a great addition.  I hear everyone saying he only provides offense.  Well, nobody has ever demanded anything else from him.  That is what we thought about Ray when he arrived-just offense.  Guys can be coached to do whatever is needed for the good of the team.  The same things were said about Steph Marbury and Nate Robinson but they proved to be valuable Celtics who made significant contributions.  They bought into what the Celtics were trying to do.

    Young is long and athletic enough to be as capable a defender as Ray became when he arrived.  And with the veteran leadership on the Celtics (and with Doc), I'd bet that he would buy in immediately.

    Also, as a backup to Rondo, I'd aggressively go after Andre Miller who has indicated that if he is go sign on anywhere as a backup, it has to be with a contender.  I think he'd be perfect in Boston.

    I also believe we have to bring back Jeff Green.  This guy can play and, at 6' 9", is a matchup problem for most teams.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Throw some money at Billups,Young,Evans,Martin,Garnett,Bass and Allen. : I agree except that he tries to play solid defense and does come up with timely steals and rebounds under pressure. Plus for a guy who loves to shoot, he rarely forces the issue when it's time to pass the ball. Unlike Pierce, he never seems to commit offensive fouls either. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z67bBf7JdjI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SJKVZe0Dwk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXc2HxuKOdQ&feature=related
    Posted by DaCeltics[/QUOTE]

    Looks like he has quick feet to me.  They defend the Pick and Roll differently than we do.  They fight through the screens while we hedge and recover.  I think he could pick that up very easily!  Nice clips (no pun intended!)
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Throw some money at Billups,Young,Evans,Martin,Garnett,Bass and Allen. : Since Young is an overpaid one trick pony how bout your same proposal for Humphries and Morrow?
    Posted by Mployee8[/QUOTE]

    Yes I'd love the deal.

    Morrow is making 5-6 million a year for the next 2-3 years.... we'd play him only 18-22 minutes a game as the shooter off the bench replacing the Ray role. Like Young he does nothing other than shoot but is a career 45/42/89 guy... not too shabby.

    Better than giving Young 4/30 or w/e he'd want.

    Bass/Ray/JON and Wilcox made 23 million this season. Young and Humphries would replace what they gave us for like 6 million less.

    We'd still need to keep Green and get a backup PG, but the rotation would be pretty set if that was the case, even though it would be sad to see Ray go, we'd be younger and better.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Throw some money at Billups,Young,Evans,Martin,Garnett,Bass and Allen. : Yes I'd love the deal. Morrow is making 5-6 million a year for the next 2-3 years.... we'd play him only 18-22 minutes a game as the shooter off the bench replacing the Ray role. Like Young he does nothing other than shoot but is a career 45/42/89 guy... not too shabby. Better than giving Young 4/30 or w/e he'd want. Bass/Ray/JON and Wilcox made 23 million this season. Young and Humphries would replace what they gave us for like 6 million less. We'd still need to keep Green and get a backup PG, but the rotation would be pretty set if that was the case, even though it would be sad to see Ray go, we'd be younger and better.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    Not sure Nick is worth 7 mil per. More like 5. He is still a work in progress IMO.

    You build a great team the way the Spurs have. Great mid-level or less players.

    Ainge should keep his eye on free agents to be Boris Diaw and Danny Green.
     
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    Re-sign the core. Sign some young bigs. Throw some money at James Harden.
     
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    [QUOTE]Re-sign the core. Sign some young bigs. Throw some money at James Harden.
    Posted by bgomez[/QUOTE]

    Harden is a great player and why would OKC allow him to leave.  The Celtics biggest problem this year was relying on Jermaine as their center.  If we had someone who was healthy as our starting center we could have been a much better team.  Of course, the injury to Chris Wilcox also hurt the Celtics. 
     
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    Re: Throw some money at Billups,Young,Evans,Martin,Garnett,Bass and Allen.

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    [QUOTE]PG- Rondo, Billups , Moore SG- Bradley, Ray Allen (Draft Pick) SF-Pierce, Nick Young, JJJ  PF- Bass, Reggie Evans, Kenyon Martin C- K.G., Stiemsma, Hollins As always, we have no scorers off the bench. You need reliable scorers AND defenders off the bench. We can't go another season relying on one guy to do the scoring for the bench (Ray Allen). Jeff Green is not a guy who can reliably get his own shot IMO. Nick Young on the floor  WITH Ray Allen would be KILLER !!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUOOR-_2pSU http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=avJmMXkRDJc&NR=1
    Posted by DaCeltics[/QUOTE]Ray Allen is turning 37 in July. He will undergo surgery to remove bone spurs from his ankle(s). It may take some time for him to rehabilitate, and he may even miss part of next season. He's lost most of his speed and athleticism to age. He's become a liability on defense and his offense isn't consistent anymore. We all love Ray as an athlete and as a human being. However, it's probably time to move on without him and use the team's resources to acquire and develop new talent.
     
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