To be honest, I don't see a big difference.

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    To be honest, I don't see a big difference.

    I'm currently watching a replay of game-6 of the 2008 Finals, and I don't see a huge difference from that team and the team we currently have.

    Rondo - seems to have worked a bit harder back then, sat on the bench a bit more, definitely more aggressive defensively back then. His offensive game is clearly better now.

    Ray - not a big difference. Made big jumpshots, seemed active and in shape, just like he is today.

    Pierce - looks to be in better shape now. Looks like he trimmed off some fat and is a harder worker. I think he's a better player now

    KG - Again, not a big difference. Maybe a little more active back then, but nothing that jumps out at me. He can still produce in this system.

    C - nothing to be said. We had Perk, and now we have a C by committe. 

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    The biggest difference I see is the bench. We had a very talented and diverse bench, made up of blue-collar players that gave it their all effort/energy wise, especially on the defensive end. We just need tough, active, energetic players that can come off the bench and provide energy and defense. This team is predicated on defense, and working together on defense. Clearly the starting-5 have this down, but the bench was an issue, especially with their effort and defensive performance. 

    The starting 5 can still get it done - but the bench needs an upgrade.

    If we can upgrade the bench and bring in good defensive players that are willing to work their butts off, we will contend for a title next season. Mark my words.
     
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    Re: To be honest, I don't see a big difference.

    In Response to Re: To be honest, I don't see a big difference.:
    [QUOTE]I agree. I just said this in another thread.  Things need to come together. Posey is the only real argument, as was the shrewd PJ Brown pick up, but as far as the core concepts of the defense, the Big 3, with a more experienced Rondo, etc, it's right there. I am not even a big basketball fan and I can see this. The Celts that year were healthy. Get them healthy, bolster the bench and be aggressive with a legit, athletic Center who can rebound. If you need to deal Big Baby or another player you think has some value to get these complementary pieces, go ahead and do it. But, in the end, if Rondo is healthy, etc, this series would have at least gone to 7 games.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing[/QUOTE]

    Yep, I agree. This team isn't drastically different from the 2008 team. The biggest difference is that the '08 team was healthy and had a better bench.

    If they can upgrade the bench and stay healthy next season, I see no reason why they can't go to another Finals.
     
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    Re: To be honest, I don't see a big difference.

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    [QUOTE]Rondo had a dislocated elbow. That's one difference.
    Posted by Kirk6[/QUOTE]

    Good thing it wasn't his shooting arm.......  lmaorotf
     
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    Re: To be honest, I don't see a big difference.

    Paul didn't have enough in the tank to defend LeBron and drive to the hoop this year, but in 08 he did have enough gas on both ends...the 08 team had a special unit to close out games (Big 3 plus Posey and PJ), this year Doc left Rondo in at the end of certain games he may not have belonged in...the 08 team had defensive specialists in Tony Allen to help with wing defense and Perk to start games and set a tone...Going forward, could argue that Green > Posey, Jermaine = PJ, so the close out the game group is intact; they need a big to take Perks place and Jeff Green is also a decent defender. So, the Key is, replace Perk on the cheap to get close to 08. Second, the other teams are better, particularly Miami. Athleticism, they need a long 4 who can run. Running group; Rondo, West/Bradley, Green, athletic 4, one of the Big 3.  Close out group, the Big 3, Greene, Rondo/West. 
     
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    Re: To be honest, I don't see a big difference.

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    [QUOTE]I'm currently watching a replay of game-6 of the 2008 Finals, and I don't see a huge difference from that team and the team we currently have. Rondo - seems to have worked a bit harder back then, sat on the bench a bit more, definitely more aggressive defensively back then. His offensive game is clearly better now. Ray - not a big difference. Made big jumpshots, seemed active and in shape, just like he is today. Pierce - looks to be in better shape now. Looks like he trimmed off some fat and is a harder worker. I think he's a better player now KG - Again, not a big difference. Maybe a little more active back then, but nothing that jumps out at me. He can still produce in this system. C - nothing to be said. We had Perk, and now we have a C by committe.  -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The biggest difference I see is the bench. We had a very talented and diverse bench, made up of blue-collar players that gave it their all effort/energy wise, especially on the defensive end. We just need tough, active, energetic players that can come off the bench and provide energy and defense. This team is predicated on defense, and working together on defense. Clearly the starting-5 have this down, but the bench was an issue, especially with their effort and defensive performance.  The starting 5 can still get it done - but the bench needs an upgrade. If we can upgrade the bench and bring in good defensive players that are willing to work their butts off, we will contend for a title next season. Mark my words.
    Posted by vertigho[/QUOTE]

    Good Post!  We just need to revamp the bench...
     
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    Re: To be honest, I don't see a big difference.

    I do see a bit of a difference...  read about it somewhere and it really hit me..

    In an article it said the Big 3 are still great players... (which I agree with)  however, how often do you see all 3 play at an All Star caliber at the same time??

    Thats a darn good question... and thinking back suring these playoffs, it really hit home.  Ray had a few really good games, then fell off... ditto KG & PP..

    That could be what we're missing... they arent out there doing it all the same... but in spurts and stretches.. maybe DOc beating them to death like a rented mule with their minutes has alot to do with it..  but near the end of the season and the playoffs... it seemed to make sense ...
     
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    Re: To be honest, I don't see a big difference.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to To be honest, I don't see a big difference. : Good Post!  We just need to revamp the bench...
    Posted by JayShizzle45[/QUOTisE]


    Just revamp the bench and without West being signed, and Davis being signed, and Krstic being signed, and having only 9 players under contract they are only 15 million over the cap already - so revamping the bench - piece of cake.......a very small piece of cake but a piece nonetheless.
     
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    Re: To be honest, I don't see a big difference.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: To be honest, I don't see a big difference. : [QUOTE]In Response to To be honest, I don't see a big difference. : Good Post!  We just need to revamp the bench... Posted by JayShizzle45[/QUOTisE] Just revamp the bench and without West being signed, and Davis being signed, and Krstic being signed, and having only 9 players under contract they are only 15 million over the cap already - so revamping the bench - piece of cake.......a very small piece of cake but a piece nonetheless.
    Posted by TheDUDDER[/QUOTE]

    I agree that the Celtics won't be able to make many changes next season.  We still don't know what the salary cap will be next year.  It may be even lower and it will be more difficult for the Celtics and many teams to sign free agents and make upgrades to their team. 
     
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