Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick

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    Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick

    Just throwing it out there... with a disclaimer that I want to retain Rondo, Green, Garnett for another run.

    If you were looking to completely rebuild (lottery for wiggins), you probably need to deal Rondo&Green to get worse. 

    Utah who desperately needs a PG and has a lot of big men could be a partner. Jackie M. keeps saying the organization likes Millsap. Maybe he becomes a David West type 4-man of the future. Kanter is a nice young piece, we need a Center, he can play big minutes if KG retires and we want to lose.

    Perhaps throw Melo in as well.

    BOS: Kanter, S&T Millsap, 2013 1st pick

    UTA: Rondo, Bass, Melo?

     

    Probably could include Lee instead of Bass, but we would absolutely need to find Bass a new home... can't have Sully, Millsap and Bass on the same team. Id use Utah's pick to get one of the guys who's bound to fall but may be just out of reach at our pick like Shabazz, Adams, Schroeder, MCW, etc.. 

     

    Would you do it?

     
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    Re: Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick

    On second thought ... if we want to get the lottery for Wiggins, perhaps we can hold on to Green and still suck enough. I am just really high on Rondo and think that there's no way we lose that bad with him on the team. Green on the other hand could play the entire game, be our PPG leader, increase his stock, and then (eerily similar to 2007/8) be a key piece to get a contending team around Kevin Love in 2015-6.

     

    Imagine next year a hodge-podge of :

    Bledsoe / Rookie / Williams 

    Bradley / Crawford / Terry

    Green / xyz

    Sullinger / Millsap / Bass

    Kanter / Jordan / Rookie / Melo

     

    In this scenerio we buy out PP, do the KG to LAC trade, and Rondo for Kanter trade. At the trade deadline in 2014, we'd have Bass, Millsap and Terry as good pieces for contenders to buy with their young undeveloped talent.

     

     
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    Re: Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick


    This Schroeder kid looks nice. I wonder could we get away with playing him and Rondo together. They would create havoc, easy baskets.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/

     

     
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    Re: Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick

    Kanter looks like a possible mini-bust in the NBA.

     
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    Re: Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick

    I love the idea of trading Rondo, but why on gods earth do you think Rondo and Bass are worth that much!?!  LOL.

     
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    Re: Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick

    Can't trade Millsap, a free agent who needs to be signed and traded, in the same trade as a '13 pick, they have to wait until after July 1st.

    The options are add to current core and make 1 last run, or blow it up completely with RR and Green also moved. Not trade one 27 year old for another. Millsap being brought in as an upgrade to Bass to play WITH RR, PP and KG is fine by me. The blow it up route requires 20-23 year olds to join Avery, Sully and pick #16, as well as future picks.

    Kanter is a good guy to go after. So is Alec Burks, who is all of 22-23 and would be an upgrade to Lee instantly as far as shooting and we have Avery for D at the 2. After July 1st Marvin Williams will have a 7.5m player option he picked up be able to be traded.

    Rondo, Lee and Melo for Kanter, Burks and Mo Williams exp contract and the Jazz's top 5 (or even 10) protected lotto pick in '14.

     

     

     

     
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    The Jazz should draft Carter-Williams at 14 and pair him with Mo Williams as backups to Rondo and Lee. Mo Will as the 6'1" shooter who guards PG's and CW as the 6'6" PG who guard's 2's.

    Rondo and Lee start for the Jazz. Hayward switches over to SF. Millsap plays SF and PF and is obv resigned. Favors plays PF and Big al C. Depending on if the Jazz think Melo can play any NBA mins next season, they could go with Karasev as an additional wing or someone like Bullock/Franklin at 21. or hope Dieng is there, I'd go w the latter to help with Al's bad defense.

    C - Al, Dieng

    PF - Favors, Millsap

    SF - Hayward, Millsap

    SG - Lee, Mo Will

    PG - Rondo, Carter-Williams

    Depending on if Favord finally blows up to all-star level, that team could amke real noise in the west

     
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    Re: Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick

    In response to rameakap's comment:

    Can't trade Millsap, a free agent who needs to be signed and traded, in the same trade as a '13 pick, they have to wait until after July 1st.

    The options are add to current core and make 1 last run, or blow it up completely with RR and Green also moved. Not trade one 27 year old for another. Millsap being brought in as an upgrade to Bass to play WITH RR, PP and KG is fine by me. The blow it up route requires 20-23 year olds to join Avery, Sully and pick #16, as well as future picks.

    Kanter is a good guy to go after. So is Alec Burks, who is all of 22-23 and would be an upgrade to Lee instantly as far as shooting and we have Avery for D at the 2. After July 1st Marvin Williams will have a 7.5m player option he picked up be able to be traded.

    Rondo, Lee and Melo for Kanter, Burks and Mo Williams exp contract and the Jazz's top 5 (or even 10) protected lotto pick in '14.

     

     

     



    You rebuted your own point. Millsap can be signed and then traded with the 13 pick on July st. Millsap could work with a SF/PF split, yes.

     
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    Re: Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick

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    Can't trade Millsap, a free agent who needs to be signed and traded, in the same trade as a '13 pick, they have to wait until after July 1st.

    The options are add to current core and make 1 last run, or blow it up completely with RR and Green also moved. Not trade one 27 year old for another. Millsap being brought in as an upgrade to Bass to play WITH RR, PP and KG is fine by me. The blow it up route requires 20-23 year olds to join Avery, Sully and pick #16, as well as future picks.

    Kanter is a good guy to go after. So is Alec Burks, who is all of 22-23 and would be an upgrade to Lee instantly as far as shooting and we have Avery for D at the 2. After July 1st Marvin Williams will have a 7.5m player option he picked up be able to be traded.

    Rondo, Lee and Melo for Kanter, Burks and Mo Williams exp contract and the Jazz's top 5 (or even 10) protected lotto pick in '14.

     

     

     

     



    You rebuted your own point. Millsap can be signed and then traded with the 13 pick on July st. Millsap could work with a SF/PF split, yes.

     



    No he cannot... you have to wait a good month or more to trade a draft pick and prior to July 1st the Celtics speaking with Millsap is considered tampering.

    In short, no deal to sign and trade Millsap can be paired with a 2013 draft pick

     
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    Re: Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick

    In response to Godvernment's comment:

    don't count on the C's getting the #1 pick in 2014. the ORLANDO MAGIC are a lock for the #1 pick. you heard it here first! i would still be happy with the #2 to take Jabari Parker.



    Marcus Smart, Julius Randle, Noah Vonleh, Glenn Robinson III, Wayne Selden and James Young... it is a draft DEEP with SF's, SG's, future 20ppg scorers and current High School seniors

     
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    Re: Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick

    In response to Fierce34's comment:

    Stop it with this Millsap nonsense!

    The future of the Celtics is uncle Jeff at SF and Jared Sully at PF.

    Millsap is only good for the Celts if the Celts were 1 player away from being an elite team.



    Fierce,

     

    I kind of agree with you, but you're missing the point which is a Rondo for Kanter trade. Millsap was just to make the money work and open up the possibility of dumping one of our many SGs.

     

    I like Millsap as a player, and people in the Celtics organization are high on him. He is near the same age as Rondo, so it may not make sense, but he could be that Vet guy in a few years similar to David West who could really help us at the PF spot.

    I think Sully could play C & PF, Millsap PF & SF, Green SF & PF ... it would give us a lot of versatility.

     

    Either way, the point is mute because Rondo is here to stay and this team needs Rondo to contend. I was just hoping that with this kind of trade for Rondo, KG, and PP buy-out we could become bad enough to enter the lottery for Wiggins...

     
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    Re: Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick

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    In response to R9R's comment:

     

    In response to rameakap's comment:

     

     

    Can't trade Millsap, a free agent who needs to be signed and traded, in the same trade as a '13 pick, they have to wait until after July 1st.

    The options are add to current core and make 1 last run, or blow it up completely with RR and Green also moved. Not trade one 27 year old for another. Millsap being brought in as an upgrade to Bass to play WITH RR, PP and KG is fine by me. The blow it up route requires 20-23 year olds to join Avery, Sully and pick #16, as well as future picks.

    Kanter is a good guy to go after. So is Alec Burks, who is all of 22-23 and would be an upgrade to Lee instantly as far as shooting and we have Avery for D at the 2. After July 1st Marvin Williams will have a 7.5m player option he picked up be able to be traded.

    Rondo, Lee and Melo for Kanter, Burks and Mo Williams exp contract and the Jazz's top 5 (or even 10) protected lotto pick in '14.

     

     

     

     

     



    You rebuted your own point. Millsap can be signed and then traded with the 13 pick on July st. Millsap could work with a SF/PF split, yes.

     

     

     



    No he cannot... you have to wait a good month or more to trade a draft pick and prior to July 1st the Celtics speaking with Millsap is considered tampering.

     

    In short, no deal to sign and trade Millsap can be paired with a 2013 draft pick



    "A good month or so"

    sounds real official.

    Fine Rame, then they could do this same thing in August. The point is, they can do a S&T with Millsap and whoever becomes that pick.

     
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    Re: Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick

    In response to rameakap's comment:

    In response to Godvernment's comment:

     

    don't count on the C's getting the #1 pick in 2014. the ORLANDO MAGIC are a lock for the #1 pick. you heard it here first! i would still be happy with the #2 to take Jabari Parker.

     



    Marcus Smart, Julius Randle, Noah Vonleh, Glenn Robinson III, Wayne Selden and James Young... it is a draft DEEP with SF's, SG's, future 20ppg scorers and current High School seniors

     



    exactly... that's why there is a good possibility of us getting REAL bad next year in order to expedite the rebuilding process. If we go that route, I'd expect PP buy-out/ trade, KG trade, Rondo, Green, Bass, Terry trade. These players are too good to be on a winning team and especially Rondo & Green can be used to get additional picks. 

     
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    Re: Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick

    if we completely blow it up, you're talking about 3-4-5 years down the road. the alternative is to let this year play out. maybe we can move PP and KG at the deadline. if not, PP's numbers come off the books next year and maybe KG retires or we trade him. then we have lots of money next summer to try and put pieces around rondo, bradley, green and sully.

     
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    Re: Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick


    You rebuted your own point. Millsap can be signed and then traded with the 13 pick on July st. Millsap could work with a SF/PF split, yes.



    No he cannot... you have to wait a good month or more to trade a draft pick and prior to July 1st the Celtics speaking with Millsap is considered tampering.

    In short, no deal to sign and trade Millsap can be paired with a 2013 draft pick


    "A good month or so"

    sounds real official.

    Fine Rame, then they could do this same thing in August. The point is, they can do a S&T with Millsap and whoever becomes that pick.



    No, this is HIGHLY unlikely, like 99.99% to EVER happen.

    Here is the 'official' quote on rookies and trades R9R:

    No free agent signed in the offseason can be traded until December 15 of that year or until three months have passed (whichever comes later), a rule that prevents teams from signing free agents with the intent of using them strictly as trade fodder. For draft picks this moratorium lasts 30 days. - CBA

    R9R, your trade requires the Celtics to:

    A. Tell Utah who to draft for them at pick 14 b/c they 'may want this player to be included in a sign and trade with Millsap in a month'. Any verbal commitment or salary talk at this time with Millsap/his agant is considered tampering. The C's cannot know prior to July 1st anything about Millsap's team or contract demands.

    B. Then Millsap has to sit around through 29 days worth of free agency before this trade becomes official a month after the draft before becoming a Celtic. Please.

    Just stop. There is no point in having Millsap without Rondo on the Celtics anyhow. Blow it up and get a guy like Kanter, sure. But add Millsap while subtracting Rondo? Pointless.

    And getting Utah's top 10 protected 2014 pick is likely better than pick #14 this year anyhow.

     

     
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    Re: Trade Idea: Rondo + Bass for Kanter + Millsap + 2013 first round pick

    When it comes to Utah there are only 2 options and neither of them can really involve the 2013 NBA draft (unless Utah gives up both its two young blue chippers).

    1. Trade them Rondo in a deal for young players. This probably means basically straight up for Favors, maybe Kanter and Burks or Hayward and 1-2 future 1st rd picks from Utah. None of these players can be traded for Rondo before July 1st for $ reasons.

    Such a trade would be a play by the Jazz to get out of rd 1 of the playoffs, keeping these veteran but still young guys like Millsap, Big Al and either Mo Will or Foye to play with Rondo.

    The only trade that can be done at the draft is Rondo, pick 16 and either Melo and a future 1st rd pick or Sully for Favors AND Kanter. But I don't think the Jazz would do that. Even if they are going to keep both Al and Millsap.

     

    2. Trade them some combination of Bass, Lee or Crawford (or maybe even Bradley), Melo and at least 1 future pick for Big Al or Millsap so they can play WITH KG, PP, Green, Terry and rondo for a final run at a title.

     
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