Trade Rondo to Utah

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    Fierce, you confirm my statement. There are only 6-8 teams that have even BEEN to the Finals in 15-20 years. So everyone isn't going to be good. The Celtics can compete in 2-3 years if good drafting and good moves in FA take place.

    No GM walks in and says...I can have us in the Finals in 7 years. LOL That's not a plan. Anyone you draft has a 3 year contract so your team will drastically change every 3-4 years. An owner will throw you out of his office with a 7 year plan.

    If Ainge can get 75 cents on the dollar from Rondo he should take it. He's not going to get a an even exchange back. If he gets 25 cents then he should turn it down.

     
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    Ainge will start moving those #1 picks if he can get bonafide NBA talent. Why not take 9 #1s over 5 years and flip it into 5 better picks in 3 years or bonafide NBA Free Agents.

    It wouldn't be wise to keep #1 picks from 2017 & 2018. They are good to have but no one is trying to build for 4 years from now...most teams want to be competitive within 2 years.

     



    Give me an example of a rebuilding team that went to the Finals in 2 years.

     



    I don't know if it is what you mean, but weren't the Celtics in 2006-7 in rebuilding mode. 2007-8 saw them trading everyone and making the leap.  Of course they had Pierce as a building block.  Rondo may not apply.

     
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    If you are close then sometimes all you may need is one player to make the leap. If you're waiting for a 7 year plan, what are you going to tell a FA or a good vet that may want to win in a year or 2.. If you sign with us we plan on being good in 4-5 years. LMAO! (dialtone)

     

     

     
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    SEVEN YEAR PLAN  LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
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    I don't know if it is what you mean, but weren't the Celtics in 2006-7 in rebuilding mode. 2007-8 saw them trading everyone and making the leap.  Of course they had Pierce as a building block.  Rondo may not apply.

     

     



    Celtics abandoned the rebuilding plan by trading for a soon to be 32-year old Ray Allen and giving up almost all their young players for a 31-year old KG.

     

    What I mean by rebuilding is a team composed of young players. Just like what OKC did when they got Durant and uncle Jeff in 2007, Westbrook and Ibaka in 2008, and Harden in 2009. 



    Then you have to hold out the possibility that Ainge could be planning something like 2007-8 with all these moves.  At least I hope it is.

     
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    The Hawks deal is icing on the cake. The main deal is with Utah. If they have a young team then getting Rondo...a vet PG with a ring helps them vs a rookie.

     



    No, it will not.

     

    By the time those young players are 27 years old, Rondo will be 31 years old or older.

    The young players have to grow together to develop team chemistry.

     

    Teams that want to win now want Rondo. But teams that are rebuilding will not want Rondo.



    You need veterans to develop the rookies into winners. The Celtics had all kinds of young talent in their last rebuild that added up to nothing but losses. They didn't start winning until they traded that talent away. Young teams lose, and if they develop together, they just learn to lose together. 

     
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    The Hawks deal is icing on the cake. The main deal is with Utah. If they have a young team then getting Rondo...a vet PG with a ring helps them vs a rookie.

     

     



    No, it will not.

     

     

    By the time those young players are 27 years old, Rondo will be 31 years old or older.

    The young players have to grow together to develop team chemistry.

     

    Teams that want to win now want Rondo. But teams that are rebuilding will not want Rondo.

     



    You need veterans to develop the rookies into winners. The Celtics had all kinds of young talent in their last rebuild that added up to nothing but losses. They didn't start winning until they traded that talent away. Young teams lose, and if they develop together, they just learn to lose together. 

     




    Exactly! Fierce is only focusing on the Finals. There are some teams that haven't been to a Finals in 20, 30 years. That doesn't mean you can't have success or don't have good players. If Ainge is collecting assets then if he doesn't get Wiggins, Parker or Smart he can then do what he did with the Big 3 and flip all those picks into some vets. His biggest chip is still Rondo. He is telling everyone that ROndo is the centerpiee but he would flip ROndo in a heartbeat if he got the right deal. 

     
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    We can expect time for the rebuild....but we can't rule out the possibility of quick good fortune with some unexpected moves

     

    what about Miami?........2006.....and then 2011-2012

     



    Yeah, but the days of having a Big 3 are over.

     

    OKC was the first victim of the fear of the repeater tax. There was really no need for OKC to trade Harden. But apparently ownership didn't want to pay the price.

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    No, OKC gave all that $$ to Perkins?!!  No irony, just a costly mistake.  They could have dumped Perk and resigned Harden and been a better team.  And, they could have had a V8.  

    "Rebuilding" can come in more than one form.  Boston when from where, 2006-07 to where, 2007-08?  If not for 37-17, injuries, and not resigning important role players, the Celtics had a lot going for it for a few years, enough to get really, really close to repeating and hitting 18 (or 19?).  Bad calls, bad circumstances, and bad management led to losing the opportunity for continuity of achievement.  Rebuilding through youth usually is the long-range way, but Ainge in most instances doesn't show a lot of patience; this rebuild will happen sooner rather than later.  But, this year probably will be awful to watch. 

     

     

     
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    If you are close then sometimes all you may need is one player to make the leap. If you're waiting for a 7 year plan, what are you going to tell a FA or a good vet that may want to win in a year or 2.. If you sign with us we plan on being good in 4-5 years. LMAO! (dialtone)

     

     

     

     



    That's not what I'm saying.

     

     

    Remember, the last big name free-agent the Celts signed was a 35-year old Dominique Wilkins.

    The Celtics offered Rondo, Jeff Green, and two 1st round picks for CP3 and CP3 declined to come to Boston.

    We don't rebuild using a 7-year plan, we rebuild now!

    But rebuilding now does not mean the Celts will be an elite team after 2 or 3 years.

     


    Fierce, IT's ALL A CRAP SHOOT! There are much more than just one roadmap to success in building a 
    NBA Championship caliber team these days. You are insiting that 2-3-years is too short. BS! We did it in less than a year in 2008, Miami did it the same way, and with all of the assets DA is banking away at the moment, we MAY be able to strike the right combinations again very very soon. OKC and BOSTON are two very different NBA markets with very different fan bases. OKC's folks are patient, while Boston is demanding and wants a winner right now. DA will push that much harder now and with a little luck while taking some risks will look to reap big rewards. SO, lets all let DA earn his money and show us how good he is AGAIN!!! Please everybody stop it with the I'M A FORTUNE TELLER GM stuff. 

     

     
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