Re: TRAYVON MARTIN, any thoughts? what does it all mean?
posted at 4/5/2012 12:45 PM EDT
In Response to Re: TRAYVON MARTIN, any thoughts? what does it all mean?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: TRAYVON MARTIN, any thoughts? what does it all mean? : just asking to grasp better the perspective you speak from or had to overcome, are you african-american? i believe you had written so a while back. i couldnt agree more with your assessment about having a BROADER appreciation for all the heroes of this great nation. folks like locke and others of the enligtennment and romantic eras made this country. i would include rousseau as well. funny how many GOP types hate the french today but it was the french that made this country from the statue of liberty to fighting in and winning the first few wars incl the american revolution. it was after all french generals with experience in the kind of trench warfare that won the war who were sent over as "advisers"... you know how the US just "advises" the pakistanis and afghans and only "advised" the present iraqi leadership as they got their country back from the saddamists. anywho, i do have a broad view. but unfortunately in this country and world at this time, its about RACE and i have to live in the world whether i like it or not. i always think globally but have to execute locally.. in this case within the often limiting parochial confines of race. talk america in general, must bring in locke, jefferson and others. the euros did a great job showing humanity what could be the best in all of us even while being a bit hypocritical with the whole slavery thing and people as just another asset or commodity to possess thing. heard oprah's beau on piers morgan last night. he has a new book about how people esp blacks can embrace the whole capitalism thing and use it to maximize their empowerment. he grasped though that a big reason traditional african americans have a tough time with it is due to the slavery thing. its tough to embrace a system that made you chattel and reduced you to less than a human. blacks without that experience or who have access to different ideas do not have such an issue. unfortunately, we are in the MINORITY within the overall black community at this time. its a generational issue, will take generations!
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No, I'm not African-American, and I hope I didn't wrongly portray myself as one who has that kind of insight and experience. I should have used the word "interacted" instead of "experienced". I thought "from the outside" expressed that, my mistake.
While certainly not wanting to gloss over the hypocrisy of slavery, and, from my perspective, I get defensive against assertions that the dishonorable past framework aspects of society are permeating below the surface of what's motivating many of the people today. As a registered independent, I get tired of the narrative that the motivation of conservatives is race based, sex based, that they want old people to die in the waiting room, and so on... This is the outcome of a populous who has gotten caught up in the noise. So when Clarence Thomas is referred to as a black euro, and therefore by extension a sell-out, it's offensive. Whether you mean it to or not, it supports Michael Dyson's claims that Clarence Thomas isn't a black man but a man whose black skin has been inhabited by white supremacist thought. As a white man, this claim is extremely offensive and completely unfair. For blacks, I think it's an attempt to narrow their scope of thought about economy and law and government... Being a conservative is not selling out yet looking at half of your own country as though it represents and is motivated by continuing the atrocities of the past, just might be. (Not you, I'm not talking at you here, just saying).
I like that you brought the French thinkers into the discussion, i'm a big fan of Camus and Artod. I think the existentialists won the 20th century and that we're a little muddled in a deconstructionist rut right now. Don't know what's coming next? In ten years or so I think the world will look a lot different than it does now and that sort of thing usually triggers the writers and thinkers into new realms.
you've made a number of good and necessary points, and I appreciate the insight. It will smooth out a lot more as the generations progress, but that doesn't mean the mindset should be complacent, or ignoring of current obstacles and realities. I'm with you on this. Also, now that you have mentioned it, I have noticed that first and second generation Africans who come to the U.S. or were the first born here seem not to be burdened or held back in ways that some African Americans who have been in this system for many generations are. This speaks to many things...