Troy Murphy thoughts
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Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 7:10 AM EDT
- ma6dragon9
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What happened in NJ? I liked this guy the whole time he was in Indiana, but he gets a FA deal in NJ, gets hurt preseason, and never gets on the floor? Maybe he got his money and got lazy, maybe h eslept with the coach's daughter...who knows. Bizarre situation. I know he was useless in Boston, but he was destined to fail. Coming to a team that late in the season, at a position that Doc needed to figure out what he had in 4 different guys. No practice time, no playing time, no chance to get acclimated or do anything. Now, he looked awful on the floor, but he's shown enough over his career of being a solid double-double guy that, if the money's right, I want him back for preseason. If he reverts back to his Indiana days, center problem solved in the immediate future. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 8:52 AM EDT
- rkarp
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problem is that Murphy is not a center. as a PF, his D is invisible, and he has zero presence protecting the rim. really poor athletically, making him simply a spot up shooter, albeit a good one.
I could see Murphy back assuming Baby leaves, and Murphy is agreeable $$ wise, meaning KG and Murphy are splitting time at PF. C's wold also have to get a defensively inclined C to protect the rim.
Bringing the current team back sans Baby and Shaq, and adding some one such as Dalembert, imo makes this C's team a contender for the title next year, assuming health;
KG
PP
Ray
Rondo
Dalembert
Green
Kristic
JON
West
Murphy
Wafer
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Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 8:52 AM EDT
- Pancakespwn
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He didn't play basketball for an extended period of time and it really showed.If he comes back for cheap which I expect then might as well bring him in and see if he can improve his offensive side and play better on D. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 9:06 AM EDT
- snakeoil123
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One thing about Murphy is the guy can rebound. I really don't know what happened last year but if he could be had on the cheap then there isn't a reason not to see if he can get his game back. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 9:11 AM EDT
- kccorwin
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If not maybe we can sign him to a one year deal and use him as an expiring contract for a team that needs to shed salary. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 9:39 AM EDT
- walk2run
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Training camp is everything.
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Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 9:42 AM EDT
- CablesWyndBairn
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He was not in basketball shape and never really got to show his worth. I'd bring him back, as someone else said he can rebound and he can hit the outside shot. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 9:54 AM EDT
- OneOnOne
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In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts:One thing about Murphy is the guy can rebound. I really don't know what happened last year but if he could be had on the cheap then there isn't a reason not to see if he can get his game back.
Posted by snakeoil123
You are exactly right. He would help make us a deep team. He can still play some. Watching Dallas they just kept bringing in players that contributed. Troy goes to another team like Miami etc I guarantee we will be saying around here, "why on earth did Danny let him go. Stupid. Fire Ainge, fire Doc" -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 1:43 PM EDT
- cabutan
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I doubt he will want to comeback after playing almost 0 minutes per game.. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 2:12 PM EDT
- jtkl
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In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts:In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts : The Celtics would be gambling if they get rid of Big Baby... this kid ate a ton of quality minutes for us...
Posted by ShepherdCall
They want him back, but they can't overpay. Also, baby wants to be a starter. Not happening here for a while. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 3:36 PM EDT
- Celtsfan4life
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I don't know why they would want the guy at all unless he is REALLY cheap (ie. minimum salary for the minimum period).We debated on this Board the merits of Troy Murphy when the buyouts were happening this year. I may be the contrarian on this but I thought then and I think now that this guy is slow afoot offensively and defensively, can't get his own shot, and doesn't help this team. He's simply more of what we DON'T need and I'd rather have a younger guy with less experience, but more athleticism and speed who we can teach more of the game. We have old legs, slow can't jump guys in Shaq, JON, Krstic, and even KG as we saw. Why in the world would be need Murphy???? We need more Jeff Green players - young and athletic. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 3:48 PM EDT
- Tayshawn
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In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts:In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts : You are exactly right. He would help make us a deep team. He can still play some. Watching Dallas they just kept bringing in players that contributed. Troy goes to another team like Miami etc I guarantee we will be saying around here, "why on earth did Danny let him go. Stupid. Fire Ainge, fire Doc"
Posted by OneOnOne
Yeah, because Murphy is the next savior to a number of teams, just like Shaq was the savior to you guys this past offseason.
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Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 3:51 PM EDT
- rkarp
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In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts:I don't know why they would want the guy at all unless he is REALLY cheap (ie. minimum salary for the minimum period). We debated on this Board the merits of Troy Murphy when the buyouts were happening this year. I may be the contrarian on this but I thought then and I think now that this guy is slow afoot offensively and defensively, can't get his own shot, and doesn't help this team. He's simply more of what we DON'T need and I'd rather have a younger guy with less experience, but more athleticism and speed who we can teach more of the game. We have old legs, slow can't jump guys in Shaq, JON, Krstic, and even KG as we saw. Why in the world would be need Murphy???? We need more Jeff Green players - young and athletic.
Posted by Celtsfan4life
Celtics do not need more Jeff Green type players. PP is slow afoot. So was Bird. Gerald Greene was young and athletic. Celts would have been in much better shape if they were able to convince OKC to send over Harden rather than Green. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 5:17 PM EDT
- jtkl
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In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts:In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts : Yeah, because Murphy is the next savior to a number of teams, just like Shaq was the savior to you guys this past offseason.
Posted by TayshawnHow'd joe smith work out for you? Sweeeeeeeeeeeep!!! -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 5:27 PM EDT
- jtkl
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In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts:In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts : Celtics do not need more Jeff Green type players. PP is slow afoot. So was Bird. Gerald Greene was young and athletic. Celts would have been in much better shape if they were able to convince OKC to send over Harden rather than Green.
Posted by rkarpExcellent post. What we need are rebounders. Murph can rebound. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 5:35 PM EDT
- DaCeltics
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Murph was a statistical rebounder.
You play the minutes he played on run and gun teams, all you have to be is solid to get double digit boards.
I don't think he's as good a rebounder as Reggie Evans who does not have the stats to show he's better at it. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 5:50 PM EDT
- mac1980
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He's a bum!!!!!!!!!! -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 6:45 PM EDT
- OneOnOne
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In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts:In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts : Yeah, because Murphy is the next savior to a number of teams, just like Shaq was the savior to you guys this past offseason.
Posted by Tayshawn
I thought Joe Smith, Ratliff, Barnes and Blake were the saviors? -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 7:09 PM EDT
- jtkl
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In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts:Murph was a statistical rebounder. You play the minutes he played on run and gun teams, all you have to be is solid to get double digit boards. I don't think he's as good a rebounder as Reggie Evans who does not have the stats to show he's better at it.
Posted by DaCelticsI don't see how you can say that. This last season with us, Murphy averaged 3.2 rebounds a game in 13 minutes which would break out to about 7.5 rebounds in 30 minutes play.Compare that to baby who averaged 5.4 rebounds a game in 30 minutes or Jermaine O'Neil (who plays great defense dont get me wrong) who averaged around 6.3 rebounds per 30 minutes played. There are arguments against murphy, but his rebounding isn't one of them Even as bad as he played this last year. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 8:29 PM EDT
- ma6dragon9
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In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts:Murph was a statistical rebounder. You play the minutes he played on run and gun teams, all you have to be is solid to get double digit boards. I don't think he's as good a rebounder as Reggie Evans who does not have the stats to show he's better at it.
Posted by DaCeltics
You have that picture and that's your thinking?
Only one thing leads to rebounds; effort. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 8:37 PM EDT
- rameakap
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Get rid of Baby.
Muprh at vet minimum and our 1st rd pick (say Jordan Williams of Maryland) can do better for 3 million bucks.
Baby will want 5-7 million per year. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 8:47 PM EDT
- Celtsfan4life
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In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts:In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts : Celtics do not need more Jeff Green type players. PP is slow afoot. So was Bird. Gerald Greene was young and athletic. Celts would have been in much better shape if they were able to convince OKC to send over Harden rather than Green.
Posted by rkarpYou cannot compare Pierce and Murphy. Pierce can go to the hole and has a quick step. Murphy can't do that. There's no way Murphy can keep up with ANYONE on the Heat. If your argument is that we need rebounding, I'd rather have kept perk than have murphy.What is it with the love for Murphy? Is there something about a guy who can't/hasn't/won't deliver that makes you love him when people like BBD or others who've done more and actually delivered are hated?Hmmmm, I wonder why? -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 8:48 PM EDT
- Celtsfan4life
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In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts:Get rid of Baby. Muprh at vet minimum and our 1st rd pick (say Jordan Williams of Maryland) can do better for 3 million bucks. Baby will want 5-7 million per year.
Posted by rameakapYou want results or you want to save money? -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 8:55 PM EDT
- Celtsfan4life
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Here's the guy you're advocating we use to help solve the problem of the C's being too old and slow when compared to the Bulls and Heat:2010/2011 with 2 different teams:32 yrs old by next season36% field goal %15% 3 point shooting67% Free Throw shooting3.2 rebounds0.7 assistso.1 blocks per game3.1 points per gameI don't get the excitement about someone like that. He's AWFUL and only getting OLDER!!!!! This is not what we need to play with Rondo. -
Re: Troy Murphy thoughts
posted at 5/18/2011 8:59 PM EDT
- rameakap
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In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts:In Response to Re: Troy Murphy thoughts : You want results or you want to save money?
Posted by Celtsfan4life
i want to sign and trade Baby and Krstic (with at least 1 pick prob needed) for Chris Kaman or Nene.
Then I want to draft Jordan Williams, a 6'10 bruiser who got 11 boards a game in 32 mins at Maryland.
Then I want Murphy at the vet min as insurance if Williams ISn't ready for 8-12 minutes.
Either way we get WAY BETTER than if we have Baby and Krstic taking up space/mins and failing to get boards and draft a wing.
The $ doesn't matter much to me. THE RESULTS DO