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    Two simple questions...

    1) WHEN is any newspaper going to report on the HORRIBLE propensity for MEDIOCRE POINT GUARDS to routinely DOUBLE their season average of scoring when playing against Rajon Rondo?

     

    2) so jeffy green- has a hot shooting game- 4-5 for the field, and then plays only 14 minutes in a(nother) game where our offense is fingernails on a chalkboard.  WHY DAT???

     
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    1) WHEN is any newspaper going to report on the HORRIBLE propensity for MEDIOCRE POINT GUARDS to routinely DOUBLE their season average of scoring when playing against Rajon Rondo?

     

    2) so jeffy green- has a hot shooting game- 4-5 for the field, and then plays only 14 minutes in a(nother) game where our offense is fingernails on a chalkboard.  WHY DAT???

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    1) They do mention but in generalities... as in opposing teams penetration... even Doc has dared to say such a thing but certainly not point out Rondo as the cheif culprit. Imagine the arguing and posturing opposing PGs have with their coach for PT when they face the Celtics...

    2)Um, Doc is demonstrating his coaching prowess. See, hes counting on having an even worse regular season than last years and then having another great playoff run...so he'll be hailed a genius of a coach of how he took a bunch of garbage and molded them into a contender at just the right point in time..  He's making sure nobody knows how good we might really be by yanking any bench player when hes going too strong.. That Doc, hes one smart cookie

     
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    1) WHEN is any newspaper going to report on the HORRIBLE propensity for MEDIOCRE POINT GUARDS to routinely DOUBLE their season average of scoring when playing against Rajon Rondo?

     

    2) so jeffy green- has a hot shooting game- 4-5 for the field, and then plays only 14 minutes in a(nother) game where our offense is fingernails on a chalkboard.  WHY DAT???

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    Acie did you watch the game?  I know Green went 4-5.  I am all for him getting more minutes as well.  When he was the player on the court he never once forced the action or created for someone else.  We were struggling to score about 5 possessions in a row.  Green kept getting the ball and did nothing with it.  Just held it shortly then passed to someone else. I am sure that is why Doc kept him on the bench.  He scored on a couple of fast breaks and was left open for a 3pt shot.  He didn't manufacture anything.  He has to make himself a factor.  For some reason he will flat out not do it.  He has to be the 3rd option on the floor for the most part to be effective.

     
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    Green is a SOFT player...PERIOD.

     

    always HAS been.

     

    maybes it time to look at the GM now.

     

    lets line up all the deals dannys done in his tenure and see how he rates out?

     

    who wants to start at the beginning?

     

     
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    Green and Bass are diminishing their value whatever it is by being played the way they are.  I predict we will not be able to move Bass at all.  So with that how do we get a big man that can help.  I think the answer is we can't unless we trade Sullinger, Bradley, Melo, draft pick which is looking like a good pick and maybe Lee who looks better.   Showcasing Bass is the worst idea, sitting a guy who has fallen out of favor is always smarter(the damage has been done we are stuck with him).  When Gortat was sitting we didn't want him less.  

     
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    Personally I think Terry and Green are hesitant to get aggressive offensively because it may be perceived that they are shooting too much. Doc professes to get the ball to KG, let's Rondo pound out the shot clock and lets PP shoot any and everything he wants too.

    Doc hasn't given Green or Terry their blessings to shoot. Sure he says in press conferences that he wants them to be aggressive but rarely draws up plays for them, no offense is ever run. I don't think Rondo likes running offense. If it was up to him he would rather play street ball and run around trying to be Curly Neal. This team rarely runs offense and if they do it's Rondo standing at the top of the key dribbling waiting for Terry to come off a screen.

    The league has caught up to this offense and right now we have no answer. If you watch Chris Paul, when he gets in the lane he is looking to draw a foul, setup a big man or score. Rondo gets in the lane and will pass up a 3-5 shot and kick it out for a 10-20 ft shot. If it goes in, great assist, if it doesn't, it leads to fast break points because we don't go after offensive rebounds. Rondo should be living at the FT line or averaging 15-17 ppg.

     

     
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    Green and Bass are diminishing their value whatever it is by being played the way they are.  I predict we will not be able to move Bass at all.  So with that how do we get a big man that can help.  I think the answer is we can't unless we trade Sullinger, Bradley, Melo, draft pick which is looking like a good pick and maybe Lee who looks better.   Showcasing Bass is the worst idea, sitting a guy who has fallen out of favor is always smarter(the damage has been done we are stuck with him).  When Gortat was sitting we didn't want him less.  

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    Bass contributed 9 points off the bench last night. 

    Teams in need of bench help would want Bass.

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    Fierce, what do really expect to get for Lee and Bass without giving up Green, Rondo or Melo?

    Teams want 7'0s...look what Steemer got just from playing with the C's. Any team can find a Bass.

     
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    Fierce, what do really expect to get for Lee and Bass without giving up Green, Rondo or Melo?

    Teams want 7'0s...look what Steemer got just from playing with the C's. Any team can find a Bass.

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    Of course if we base it on talent no one would want Bass. A trade doesn't have to be talent for talent. There are other factors that affect a trade. For example, if a team wants to dump salary then Bass could be a throw in to make salaries match. But if you're saying who would want Bass' talents? The answer is very few.

    And we're not going to get anyone with Bass and Lee. Bass and Lee will only total 11m. All the big man out there worth pursuing will have a salary higher than 11m.

    But if we sacrifice Melo, there's a chance Gortat is a possibility.

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    Well if we're doing it for salary and not talent or a chance to make us better...why do it? It's about winning titles, not exchanging cap deals. The trade has to benefit both teams. Teams aren't out here to just make the Celtics better. Does Phoenix need Bass and Lee?

     
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    Fierce, what do really expect to get for Lee and Bass without giving up Green, Rondo or Melo?

    Teams want 7'0s...look what Steemer got just from playing with the C's. Any team can find a Bass.

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    Of course if we base it on talent no one would want Bass. A trade doesn't have to be talent for talent. There are other factors that affect a trade. For example, if a team wants to dump salary then Bass could be a throw in to make salaries match. But if you're saying who would want Bass' talents? The answer is very few.

    And we're not going to get anyone with Bass and Lee. Bass and Lee will only total 11m. All the big man out there worth pursuing will have a salary higher than 11m.

    But if we sacrifice Melo, there's a chance Gortat is a possibility.

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    Question why did we sign Bass?  We saw his limitations for a season.  Three years at over six million was just plain stupid.

     
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    Fierce, what do really expect to get for Lee and Bass without giving up Green, Rondo or Melo?

    Teams want 7'0s...look what Steemer got just from playing with the C's. Any team can find a Bass.

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    Of course if we base it on talent no one would want Bass. A trade doesn't have to be talent for talent. There are other factors that affect a trade. For example, if a team wants to dump salary then Bass could be a throw in to make salaries match. But if you're saying who would want Bass' talents? The answer is very few.

    And we're not going to get anyone with Bass and Lee. Bass and Lee will only total 11m. All the big man out there worth pursuing will have a salary higher than 11m.

    But if we sacrifice Melo, there's a chance Gortat is a possibility.

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    Question why did we sign Bass?  We saw his limitations for a season.  Three years at over six million was just plain stupid.

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    Because we made it to the ECF with him as the starting PF.

     
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    Fierce, what do really expect to get for Lee and Bass without giving up Green, Rondo or Melo?

    Teams want 7'0s...look what Steemer got just from playing with the C's. Any team can find a Bass.

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    Of course if we base it on talent no one would want Bass. A trade doesn't have to be talent for talent. There are other factors that affect a trade. For example, if a team wants to dump salary then Bass could be a throw in to make salaries match. But if you're saying who would want Bass' talents? The answer is very few.

    And we're not going to get anyone with Bass and Lee. Bass and Lee will only total 11m. All the big man out there worth pursuing will have a salary higher than 11m.

    But if we sacrifice Melo, there's a chance Gortat is a possibility.

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    Question why did we sign Bass?  We saw his limitations for a season.  Three years at over six million was just plain stupid.

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    Because we made it to the ECF with him as the starting PF.

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    Signed that contract then tanked... He'll have another good year in his contract season.

     
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    Fierce, what do really expect to get for Lee and Bass without giving up Green, Rondo or Melo?

    Teams want 7'0s...look what Steemer got just from playing with the C's. Any team can find a Bass.

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    Of course if we base it on talent no one would want Bass. A trade doesn't have to be talent for talent. There are other factors that affect a trade. For example, if a team wants to dump salary then Bass could be a throw in to make salaries match. But if you're saying who would want Bass' talents? The answer is very few.

    And we're not going to get anyone with Bass and Lee. Bass and Lee will only total 11m. All the big man out there worth pursuing will have a salary higher than 11m.

    But if we sacrifice Melo, there's a chance Gortat is a possibility.

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    Question why did we sign Bass?  We saw his limitations for a season.  Three years at over six million was just plain stupid.

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    Because we made it to the ECF with him as the starting PF.

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    Signed that contract then tanked... He'll have another good year in his contract season.

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    Except for one game against Philly. you really think he made a difference.

     
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    Fierce, what do really expect to get for Lee and Bass without giving up Green, Rondo or Melo?

    Teams want 7'0s...look what Steemer got just from playing with the C's. Any team can find a Bass.

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    Of course if we base it on talent no one would want Bass. A trade doesn't have to be talent for talent. There are other factors that affect a trade. For example, if a team wants to dump salary then Bass could be a throw in to make salaries match. But if you're saying who would want Bass' talents? The answer is very few.

    And we're not going to get anyone with Bass and Lee. Bass and Lee will only total 11m. All the big man out there worth pursuing will have a salary higher than 11m.

    But if we sacrifice Melo, there's a chance Gortat is a possibility.

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    Question why did we sign Bass?  We saw his limitations for a season.  Three years at over six million was just plain stupid.

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    Because we made it to the ECF with him as the starting PF.

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    Signed that contract then tanked... He'll have another good year in his contract season.

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    Except for one game against Philly. you really think he made a difference.

     
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    Acie did you watch the game?  I know Green went 4-5.  I am all for him getting more minutes as well.  When he was the player on the court he never once forced the action or created for someone else.  We were struggling to score about 5 possessions in a row.  Green kept getting the ball and did nothing with it.  Just held it shortly then passed to someone else. I am sure that is why Doc kept him on the bench.  He scored on a couple of fast breaks and was left open for a 3pt shot.  He didn't manufacture anything.  He has to make himself a factor.  For some reason he will flat out not do it.  He has to be the 3rd option on the floor for the most part to be effective.

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    i don't care if green has his shorts around his ankles- if he's 4-5 then you keep him in there in case some SUCKERS decide they'll do a trade with us for him and his 36 million duckets!!!!  and why are we all of the sudden forcing point guard operation functions on jeff green?????  isn't that rondo's job? 

    every time i see the celts go into the old predictable "let's play catch on the perimeter" offensive stupidity i want to PUKE!!!  doc has said repeatedly that HE TRUSTS RONDO to run this team!!!  what has that trust gotten him?  why aren't we putting green down in the post?  green is mediocre at face up drives- i would post him and have him face up much closer to the basket. 

    crazy talk? 

     
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    Because we made it to the ECF with him as the starting PF.

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    correction: we made it to the ECF in SPITE of bass at the starting forward.  he went back into his shell when the music stopped and the playoffs began.  he had very few good games at all and many stinkers.  like this year almost!!!  only not QUITE as putrid. 

    but it was surely the defining moment of "being exposed" as a very inadquate starting #4.  then we went out and signed him for 3 years for too much money thinking somehow he'd get better!!  if anyone is good with numbers- take a looky at brandon bass' career PER numbers- he was never better than his second year with dallas where he played a significant role!

    he simply has not improved in PER performance since then.  that is some really sad stuff for an allegedly great athlete.  i wish it wasn't true and i wish the guy was playing well because he's out there for 20-30 mins per game pretty much no matter what right now.

    he's not even tradeable right now.  is rivers not smart enough to figure out how to "showcase" a player, with the intent of trading them? :-O

     
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    Because we made it to the ECF with him as the starting PF.

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    correction: we made it to the ECF in SPITE of bass at the starting forward.  he went back into his shell when the music stopped and the playoffs began.  he had very few good games at all and many stinkers.  like this year almost!!!  only not QUITE as putrid. 

    but it was surely the defining moment of "being exposed" as a very inadquate starting #4.  then we went out and signed him for 3 years for too much money thinking somehow he'd get better!!  if anyone is good with numbers- take a looky at brandon bass' career PER numbers- he was never better than his second year with dallas where he played a significant role!

    he simply has not improved in PER performance since then.  that is some really sad stuff for an allegedly great athlete.  i wish it wasn't true and i wish the guy was playing well because he's out there for 20-30 mins per game pretty much no matter what right now.

    he's not even tradeable right now.  is rivers not smart enough to figure out how to "showcase" a player, with the intent of trading them? :-O

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    You last sentence above should be in the form of a statement, not a question.

     
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    he's not even tradeable right now.  is rivers not smart enough to figure out how to "showcase" a player, with the intent of trading them? :-O

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    You last sentence above should be in the form of a statement, not a question.

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    OK, rivers is not smart enough to figure out how to showcase a player with the intent of trading them.

    yep, that sure sounds better.  there is no uncertainty about it.  bass has died on the vine this year- no way it should have been allowed to happen.  he is mediocre but not this insufferable

     
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    1) WHEN is any newspaper going to report on the HORRIBLE propensity for MEDIOCRE POINT GUARDS to routinely DOUBLE their season average of scoring when playing against Rajon Rondo?

     

    2) so jeffy green- has a hot shooting game- 4-5 for the field, and then plays only 14 minutes in a(nother) game where our offense is fingernails on a chalkboard.  WHY DAT???

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    1) Rondo's defense is down could be the 40 Plus minutes he's playing, but it is league average and not terrible. Not all NBA defense like it was last year though.

     

    2) Jeffy Green doesn't play defense. Doesn't rebound and doesn't score as effciently as Paul Pierce. He can't play the four without our defense getting killed and he is not taking minutes away from the Captain who is still better. so he doesn't play much. 

     

     

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