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    Doc and Danny won't be fired.  They are tight with the owner and produced great success over the past few years.  Injuries have killed them.   Danny made more mistakes than Danny with his trades, but even then, the owners love him.   They will give him a chance to rebuild.  

    Doc could retire, but Danny won't fire a guy who's that successful in turning teams around when we looked so bad last year and we looked so old the year before.   

    So, we will have both those guys.  Danny is the one who has the greatest responsibility to do something different.  He made the mistake of trying to be Miami and giving away all his size to compete with them instead of keeping his size and making other compete with us!

     
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    Doc and Danny won't be fired.  They are tight with the owner and produced great success over the past few years.  Injuries have killed them.   Danny made more mistakes than Danny with his trades, but even then, the owners love him.   They will give him a chance to rebuild.  

    Doc could retire, but Danny won't fire a guy who's that successful in turning teams around when we looked so bad last year and we looked so old the year before.   

    So, we will have both those guys.  Danny is the one who has the greatest responsibility to do something different.  He made the mistake of trying to be Miami and giving away all his size to compete with them instead of keeping his size and making other compete with us!

     



    You have a point.

     

    But what Danny did in 2011, trading Perk, was very suspicious. The Celtics were the #1 team in the east heading into the All-Star break that season. Then Ainge suddenly trades Perk. Why trade a very important piece in midseason when the team was doing well?

    Maybe because Ainge thought the Celtics couldn't win another championship and it was better if he started the rebuilding process earlier.

     

    Whatever the reason, the Celtics were doomed the moment they let James Posey go. The reason for letting him go? Money!

    Now, no matter how much money the Celts are willing to spend, the organization has to start from the bottom up again. The first step to returning to being a championship contender is finding that next superstar. Without a guy like Lebron or Durant, the Celts are not going to be an elite team any time soon.



    i agree that being elite takes one superstar and multiple stars.  That's why VERY few get there via the draft and poor records.  Its trades and free agent signings that do it.

     
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    Doc and Danny won't be fired.  They are tight with the owner and produced great success over the past few years.  Injuries have killed them.   Danny made more mistakes than Danny with his trades, but even then, the owners love him.   They will give him a chance to rebuild.  

    Doc could retire, but Danny won't fire a guy who's that successful in turning teams around when we looked so bad last year and we looked so old the year before.   

    So, we will have both those guys.  Danny is the one who has the greatest responsibility to do something different.  He made the mistake of trying to be Miami and giving away all his size to compete with them instead of keeping his size and making other compete with us!

     



    You have a point.

     

    But what Danny did in 2011, trading Perk, was very suspicious. The Celtics were the #1 team in the east heading into the All-Star break that season. Then Ainge suddenly trades Perk. Why trade a very important piece in midseason when the team was doing well?

    Maybe because Ainge thought the Celtics couldn't win another championship and it was better if he started the rebuilding process earlier.

     

    Whatever the reason, the Celtics were doomed the moment they let James Posey go. The reason for letting him go? Money!

    Now, no matter how much money the Celts are willing to spend, the organization has to start from the bottom up again. The first step to returning to being a championship contender is finding that next superstar. Without a guy like Lebron or Durant, the Celts are not going to be an elite team any time soon.



    Youre forgetting the reason the C's were #1 in the East to that point had NOTHING TO DO WITH PERK ..he was out injured most of the season and Shaq was getting it done for us..

    Only when Shaq went down did the Perk trade begin to bite Danny in the ***

     
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    I would love Larry back, but I don't think that can happen.  They passed him over and he will never forgive them.  Also I think he has some health issues.


    Great idea but would be surprised if it happened.  I wish he had never left. 

     
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    Doc and Danny won't be fired.  They are tight with the owner and produced great success over the past few years.  Injuries have killed them.   Danny made more mistakes than Danny with his trades, but even then, the owners love him.   They will give him a chance to rebuild.  

    Doc could retire, but Danny won't fire a guy who's that successful in turning teams around when we looked so bad last year and we looked so old the year before.   

    So, we will have both those guys.  Danny is the one who has the greatest responsibility to do something different.  He made the mistake of trying to be Miami and giving away all his size to compete with them instead of keeping his size and making other compete with us!

     



    You have a point.

     

    But what Danny did in 2011, trading Perk, was very suspicious. The Celtics were the #1 team in the east heading into the All-Star break that season. Then Ainge suddenly trades Perk. Why trade a very important piece in midseason when the team was doing well?

    Maybe because Ainge thought the Celtics couldn't win another championship and it was better if he started the rebuilding process earlier.

     

    Whatever the reason, the Celtics were doomed the moment they let James Posey go. The reason for letting him go? Money!

    Now, no matter how much money the Celts are willing to spend, the organization has to start from the bottom up again. The first step to returning to being a championship contender is finding that next superstar. Without a guy like Lebron or Durant, the Celts are not going to be an elite team any time soon.

      Finally you're saying what you've known all a long!!


     
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    1. Ainge will be replaced by Larry Bird!!

    2. Doc will resign!!

    3.Rondo will be traded!!

    4. KG will retire!

    5. Pierce will be traded or released!!

    6. We will be able to start the rebuilding era!!

     



    That would make me feel much better.

     

     



    Be careful of what you ask for.  We could be the Celtics of the pre-Garnett and pre-Allen.  We had lots of youth and were rebuilding and I don't remember ANYONE on this Board happy at that point.

     

     



    One of the few sensible posts I've read. 

     



    Same feeling. This makes more sense than the other posts.

     
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    Oh really!

    Shaq was not playing from Feb. 4, 2011 until April 1, 2011. The Perk trade happened on Feb. 24, 2011. In other words, Shaq basically didn't play for 3 weeks and Ainge still traded Perk!

    And in case you didn't know, from Feb. 4, 2011 until Feb. 22, 2011 Perk was the starting Center of the Celts.

     



    1. Fierce is right that Shaq was out alread long before the trade.


    2. But Perk didn't contribute much to the Cs success either.

    3. It is obvious: Danny gambled that Shaq and JO would be back in the post season. In that case Perk was not needed. But the team was missing a backup for Pierce (as Daniels went down). Add the part that Perk didn't want to sign a new contract --> Danny traded Perk for Green.

    A gamble, but under the assumption we would have a chance to win it all (backed up by the great start) with Shaq and JO healthy and Green as a backup. Unfortunalely Shaq was only great in eating donots but not in getting back in shape.

     
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    a healthy Shaq was better than a Perk for sure but we didn't have a healthy Shaq consistently.  Throughout the season that year, we had no Perk, no Shaq, no JON, OR no Semih.   But we always had one of them.  they rebounded and kept KG from having to play the biggest guy on the court and we got a few easy baskets.  The issue I'm raising isn't Perk, alone.  Its getting rid of Perk while JON and Shaq were broken down, then trading Semih, getting the soft Krstic, and then letting him walk to Europe without a replacement and having to rely on:   Read it and weep:  Hollins, Steamer the D-Leagers and now Collins.  

    Its the SERIES of moves that kept letting big men go and not replacing them that has hurt this team's defense and rebounding.   We cannot not make up for what used to be great D with a bunch of soft scoring players like Green, Terry, Bass, etc.   we can't overcome with more offense.   We don't have consistent offensive players so now we are stuck in the middle - mediocre defense, bad rebounding, and terrible offense.   That's on Danny for who he brought in.

     

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