We are dead in the water

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    Well doc if we had pulled off a trade for Love or Anthony or Hayward or Aisk or if the center had slipped to us, or even if we had drafted a NBA ready scorer to put along side Rondo, or if we had traded Rondo for some great picks or if we had traded Jeff Green for a good pick, all of this and more would have many of us feeling better.  Never said anything about a championship team, how about a team that will not be tanking again.

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    Your term "dead in the water' applies only to a roster of players that nobody wants, wanted to trade for or accept in exchange. If you have 6 and 17 and an entire roster you could unload, and there are no takers.... Well, you figure it out.

    Green cannot and will not get back value. He's neither as good as you seem to think he is nor as good as his salary demands he should be. Bass is a specialist (jump shooter) with no other exceptional skill. Bradley is a smaller SG than Harris, the one everyone thinks is too small, he can't pass, he can't finish at the rim, and if he's not on the ball 30 feet from the hoop he's just an okay defender. Neither Olynyk nor Sullinger can run, jump or defend their positions, though they can pass, but to whom? Rondo is the only asset with trade value and that is limited. The rest of the roster is trade-filler, not principals in a trade.    

    Forget Asik completely. He's a backup, slow and will never be able to play more than 20-25 minutes. So is it any wonder that you can't get Anthony or Love, or any other player who, by himself, is a team-altering player if all you have is "filler?"

    Shouldn't be a surprise.

    Smart, according to some analytics, is the best player in the draft. And maybe Hairston is a more "NBA ready scorer" - your phrase. Concensus is that Parker is NBA ready. And consensus says that Wiggins, Hairston and Young are next.

    I'm good with both picks and I'm anxious to see how Danny can move some of the deadwood out of here.

     

     
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    People know that Smart averaged 18 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, and 3 steals a game, right?




    Actual production is less important to some posters here than "potential" talent.  


    And yet the fact he's the most physically gifted (talented) at the point guard position in 2014/2013 does not matter much either apparently?


    His lane agility time in the NBA combine was faster than Russell Westbrook, John Wall and Chris Paul.


    He's 6'3" with a 6'9" wingspan, big hands, 220 pounds, he benched 19 reps of 185 lbs making him historically strong for a point guard or any guard for that matter.


    Amazing production, amazing talent...


    .. if it were raining money the same moaners here would be complaining about the quarters hitting them on the head.

     
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    The problem is Danny predicted fireworks. People expected something big in fact a trade for an established or draft big man or scorer.  Instead he took two people, nither great shooters so far, one with a poor work ethic apparently who are in spots where we already have similar talent. Danny should have kept his mouth shut, and not raised expectations.  Now he has to work deals this summer or we end up with another big mess of a roster featuring most of the same guys who brought you last  year's debacle.

     
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     Everyone talks about DA and how good he is as a gm.  Well he stinks when it come to getting any big men here who can play.  He undervalues bigs.  I am not sure why.  His one bright spot was Perkins (although limited he was tough and defensive minded) and he traded the guy away.  It will be many, many long seasons until we get a big man or two who can play the game well.

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    Sadly, true. Ainge said earlier in the year that getting a center was a priority (of sorts), but hasn't acted on it, yet. Everyone said pre- and post-draft that Smart was a great pick, and he probably is, but with Vonleh and Randle (admittedly redundant but maybe more promising) still on the board, Smart seems like a letdown to me.  

    The Celtics still need a voracious rebounder and rim protector. No rebounds equal no running. The Celtics haven't been a good half court team for a long while.  

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    Actual production is less important to some posters here than "potential" talent.  

     

     

    And yet the fact he's the most physically gifted (talented) at the point guard position in 2014/2013 does not matter much either apparently?

     

    His lane agility time in the NBA combine was faster than Russell Westbrook, John Wall and Chris Paul.

     

    He's 6'3" with a 6'9" wingspan, big hands, 220 pounds, he benched 19 reps of 185 lbs making him historically strong for a point guard or any guard for that matter.

     

    Amazing production, amazing talent...

     

    .. if it were raining money the same moaners here would be complaining about the quarters hitting them on the head.

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    I agree with you 100%. Kid is a special talent you don't see a lot of. College production, with room to build and grow, and is one of a hand full of guys that you could plug into an NBA roster right now. What other guy in the draft fits that profile? Parker. 

    There's an added element here I think people are missing. I've been watching a ton of Marcus and James since the draft, especially Marcus. I think you're looking at a potential "culture changer" here. His demeanor reminds me a little of KG when I listen to the interviews. He brings passion and fire every single second. High motor. Never stops running. He's a guy that's going to really get after it. He WANTS to guard your best player (watch him shut down Wiggins - incredible stuff). I couldn't be happier with the selection. Besides the production, this a guy I think you can build a re-build around. And personally, and maybe it's because he interview that way, he might be the best guy to pair with James Young. He's going to get after guys and hold them accountable. He'll be a great team mate. 

     
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    Well doc if we had pulled off a trade for Love or Anthony or Hayward or Aisk or if the center had slipped to us, or even if we had drafted a NBA ready scorer to put along side Rondo, or if we had traded Rondo for some great picks or if we had traded Jeff Green for a good pick, all of this and more would have many of us feeling better.  Never said anything about a championship team, how about a team that will not be tanking again.

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    Your term "dead in the water' applies only to a roster of players that nobody wants, wanted to trade for or accept in exchange. If you have 6 and 17 and an entire roster you could unload, and there are no takers.... Well, you figure it out.

    Green cannot and will not get back value. He's neither as good as you seem to think he is nor as good as his salary demands he should be. Bass is a specialist (jump shooter) with no other exceptional skill. Bradley is a smaller SG than Harris, the one everyone thinks is too small, he can't pass, he can't finish at the rim, and if he's not on the ball 30 feet from the hoop he's just an okay defender. Neither Olynyk nor Sullinger can run, jump or defend their positions, though they can pass, but to whom? Rondo is the only asset with trade value and that is limited. The rest of the roster is trade-filler, not principals in a trade.    

    Forget Asik completely. He's a backup, slow and will never be able to play more than 20-25 minutes. So is it any wonder that you can't get Anthony or Love, or any other player who, by himself, is a team-altering player if all you have is "filler?"

    Shouldn't be a surprise.

    Smart, according to some analytics, is the best player in the draft. And maybe Hairston is a more "NBA ready scorer" - your phrase. Concensus is that Parker is NBA ready. And consensus says that Wiggins, Hairston and Young are next.

    I'm good with both picks and I'm anxious to see how Danny can move some of the deadwood out of here.

     You have cabin fever and I am recovering from it, even though I have 50 years of coaching basketball, it is plain that you are just too smart and intelligent to talk to someone like me.

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    Who's the ravenous rebounder, dynamite rim protector in this draft that Danny didn't get? Embiid? Gone.

    If you think of Vonleh and Randle in those terms, then, yeah, I guess Danny passed. But neither is a center, and Randle, as a Randolph clone, won't be defending anyone at the rim, either.

    And who's the established scorer, after Parker and Wiggins (who, BTW, Smart owned this year)?  

    Then what established NBA scorer and/or rim protector is Danny supposed to pry away from another team with NO coveted assets to deal back? How is that supposed to work - "If you would be so kind as to give us $10.00, we will give you $4.00"?

    With a roster full of PF's, I can see why, instead of adding another one, Danny addressed to two other needs with the picks - athleticism and size/length at two positions. In the long run, Young is a better asset than Bradley and Smart is a better asset than anybody else not named Rondo.

    I agree with Bigger than My Brady that they drafted Smart because he's a force of nature player who is constitutionally disposed to lead. He was drafted to be the new heart and soul of this team going forward. This is a team that does not have a heart and soul (forget Rondo - Humphries was the nearest and that says volumes). Green, Bass, Bradley, together, couldn't lead a raid on a good humor truck. 

    It looks to me like Stevens gives Smart and Rondo a trial period to see what Rondo brings. I believe they already know what Smart will bring. If Rondo fits in with Smart, then Rondo stays. If he doesn't then Stevens trades Rondo, maybe for one of those ravenous rim-protectors some people think are growing on trees out there.

    And about Young - he has the tools, size, scoring aptitude to step into the starting SF position before mid-season. I'd start him over Green on day 1, if only to see what effect, if any, it had on Green.

     
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    Well doc if we had pulled off a trade for Love or Anthony or Hayward or Aisk or if the center had slipped to us, or even if we had drafted a NBA ready scorer to put along side Rondo, or if we had traded Rondo for some great picks or if we had traded Jeff Green for a good pick, all of this and more would have many of us feeling better.  Never said anything about a championship team, how about a team that will not be tanking again.

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    Your term "dead in the water' applies only to a roster of players that nobody wants, wanted to trade for or accept in exchange. If you have 6 and 17 and an entire roster you could unload, and there are no takers.... Well, you figure it out.

    Green cannot and will not get back value. He's neither as good as you seem to think he is nor as good as his salary demands he should be. Bass is a specialist (jump shooter) with no other exceptional skill. Bradley is a smaller SG than Harris, the one everyone thinks is too small, he can't pass, he can't finish at the rim, and if he's not on the ball 30 feet from the hoop he's just an okay defender. Neither Olynyk nor Sullinger can run, jump or defend their positions, though they can pass, but to whom? Rondo is the only asset with trade value and that is limited. The rest of the roster is trade-filler, not principals in a trade.    

    Forget Asik completely. He's a backup, slow and will never be able to play more than 20-25 minutes. So is it any wonder that you can't get Anthony or Love, or any other player who, by himself, is a team-altering player if all you have is "filler?"

    Shouldn't be a surprise.

    Smart, according to some analytics, is the best player in the draft. And maybe Hairston is a more "NBA ready scorer" - your phrase. Concensus is that Parker is NBA ready. And consensus says that Wiggins, Hairston and Young are next.

    I'm good with both picks and I'm anxious to see how Danny can move some of the deadwood out of here.

     You have cabin fever and I am recovering from it, even though I have 50 years of coaching basketball, it is plain that you are just too smart and intelligent to talk to someone like me.

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    Ditto on the 50 years of coaching basketball - not sure if I'm too smart and intelligent to talk to you.


     
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    "daddy danny pwamised me fiya werks"... sound like a bunch of spoiled brats

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    Gee, and you proposed such a "wonderful" trade......perhaps you are not really a Celtics fan, right Tommy??

     
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    "daddy danny pwamised me fiya werks"... sound like a bunch of spoiled brats

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    Gee, and you proposed such a "wonderful" trade......perhaps you are not really a Celtics fan, right Tommy??

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    I proposed no trade.

     
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    Well the money went to Bradley and we are SHOT IN THE FOOT

     
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    Danny promised fireworks didnt produce.  But withf four guards who can't shoot, they can pass to our squad of sterling big men underneath orthe couple who like to prance around the perimeter throwing up threes so our guard can go to the boards.  Guards who can't shoot and big men playing small.  Throwing up is the correct term.

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    Danny promised fireworks for the draft?

    Teams can talk trades and with FA's 7/1 ... Let the trading begin before you declare the fireworks a dud.

    If indeed a decision to go young is in the cards then a few potential young, affordable centers that may be had are Spencer Hawes (26) and Cole Aldrich (26). Maybe we should keep Hump around for the next year or two as a mentor to some of our young bigs as well as his ability to fill in some at center if a cap-friendly deal can be had.

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    Yep, but it was not Danny that promised fireworks, Danny said we would make the effort to get better but it was the owner that said fireworks.  Looks like we are shot in the foot.   Smoke about Love today.

     
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    "I think the 4th of July we'll have some fireworks," Ainge said. "I don't know, we're hopeful; I have some ideas and some plans that I'd like to do but there's just no guarantee that we can do it. We need to find good training partners, we always are trying to make fireworks every summer we try to do something that's unique and special and we will definitely try this summer."

     
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    Fireworks!

    k

     
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    Maybe the fireworks were released under water.


    HAHAHA




    OR DA wants Cs fans to wait for LOVE!


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    OR DA wants Cs fans to wait for LOVE!


     


     



     


     



    Yes, wait for Love next summer.


     


    Celts offer Kevin Love a max contract July 1, 2015.


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    Fierce - if DA thought K. Love was walking through that door next summer - he would not be trying to trade for him now!


    In addition, the NBA is a business! Arena seats, team jerseys, luxury boxes, NBA league pass, etc need to be sold, in order for the business that is the Celtics, to make money and thrive! 


    Embrace LOVE!


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