Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/22/2010 6:11 PM EDT
- MichBelgium
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In Response to Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if).... : That is a great point......But are we trying to win banner number 18 or stay out of the basement in 2013?
Posted by Red-Doc-Redemption
yes true but you agree it's obvious that they want to work around rondo right? And why wouldn't they be able to win one this or next year with him on our team? We were so close last year? Can you say 100% sure that Paul will be able to bring us over the edge? Will he get us as close as Rondo can ? I just think they try to win now (by adding pieces like they do every year) and after 2 year see with what people they can continue and obviously rondo will be there.
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/22/2010 6:11 PM EDT
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Nope I don't get it why the C's would be working with Paul. It just doesn't make sense. Isn't it clear that Rondo's contract is the contract for their future? In 2 years they start all over with a clean sheet and Rondo will still be here as their leader.
Posted by MichBelgium
That is a great point......But are we trying to win banner number 18 or stay out of the basement in 2013?
We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/22/2010 6:11 PM EDT
Let me say 1st (tommy heinsohn voice) I LOVVVE RAJON RONDO!!! But, you gotta think we lost the NBA finals bc the Lakers exposed his weakness (long range J & FT shooting) & let Kobe sag the lane which clogged our O)...Yes Rondo is a unique talent, But is he beter than Chris Paul?.....Back to my original point....
If the C's can pull a Rondo (& some pieces, Bradley, Picks, the contract of Sheed's ghost) for Chris Paul deal (I even like Simmons tweet of tossing in Perk for Okafor) & convince Matt Barnes to sign a 1 year deal w/us too.........You gotta think that we'd be the favorite to win it all in 2010-11!?!?
Paul, Ray, PP, KG, Okafor 1st unit
Nate, Barnes, Harangody, BBD, O'Neal 2nd unit
That's a tough 10 to deal with, maybe the best 10 in basketball....
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/22/2010 6:11 PM EDT
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Nope I don't get it why the C's would be working with Paul. It just doesn't make sense. Isn't it clear that Rondo's contract is the contract for their future? In 2 years they start all over with a clean sheet and Rondo will still be here as their leader.
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/22/2010 6:11 PM EDT
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I have to say that lineup would be intriguing....
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/22/2010 6:11 PM EDT
any time you have a chance to get an elite player in any sport I think you have to try so if it is possible to get CP3 I say do it
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/22/2010 6:11 PM EDT
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I like Rondo better than Paul what about Perk for Okafor and some incidentals. Okafor makes a good deal more than Perk so you have a problem there.
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/22/2010 6:11 PM EDT
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what about Perk for Okafor and some incidentals.
Posted by concord27
Concord, I know you r smart--I will take OKAFOR over Perk in a heartbeat.
Now, now, now, now!!!
can you imagine okafor and Oneal? that's formindable front.
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/22/2010 6:11 PM EDT
Rondo and CPaul aren't compatible tradewise/dollarwise. A third team would have to be involved. Even Simmons has backed off. Add to this that CPaul has given his team a list of five acceptable teams to be traded to and the Celts are, of course, not on it.
Further talk about CPaul for Rondo is fine for message board fodder, as long as folks are totally clear that in real life this WILL NOT HAPPEN. Only thing I will say is that people are awfully eager to welcome in Chris Paul and his max dollars for Rondo's more reasonable contract given that Paul was hobbled by a bad knee last year. I would be more careful about assuming that is going to never be an issue again. Personally I hope he'll be back 100 percent as he's a fun player to watch but you want to bet your franchise on it?
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Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/23/2010 1:53 AM EDT
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Rondo for Chris Paul not happening any time soon because Rondo is a Base Year Compensation player. Meaning Rondo's outgoing trade value is only 4.5m. So that would be like Chris Paul's 14.9m for Rondo's 4.5m.
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/23/2010 2:28 AM EDT
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Fierce34 is Danny Boy sleeping on the job? Nice to know that Mitch is on the job and improving his team. Enjoy!
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/23/2010 2:32 AM EDT
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Rondo for Chris Paul not happening any time soon because Rondo is a Base Year Compensation player. Meaning Rondo's outgoing trade value is only 4.5m. So that would be like Chris Paul's 14.9m for Rondo's 4.5m.
Posted by Fierce34
plus Sheed's $8m and GD's $3m = $15.5m (bet that works)
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/23/2010 3:21 AM EDT
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Nope, don't like it. CP3 is injury prone while Rondo is physically tough. And talented enough. I expect Rondo to improve his jumper some more this year. In the end, it is all about confidence. As Rondo gets more comfortable with his game, his jumper will get better too. If CP3 was as tough as DWill, I will be screaming for Danny to try for it.
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/23/2010 4:14 AM EDT
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I laugh at the notion that some posters keep saying CP3 is injury prone. Do your research, last season was the first season he missed significant games.
Rondo's had foot issues, ankle issues, BACK issues, etc., so what's the difference?
Injuries like that is part of the game for PG's, and who's to say Rondo won't get the same injury because of his slashing, cutting ablities?
God forbid.
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/23/2010 5:22 AM EDT
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Paul isn't going anywhere without another big contract going with him. If you want Paul you'd had better be prepared for Okafor. The only place I see him landing is Orlando. And that will cost Orlando plenty.
God forbid people around here giving Rondo his due. He passes, drives and plays defense as well as any PG. I don't care if Rondo improves his jumper...just his FTs.
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/23/2010 5:29 AM EDT
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Even though it's not possible, I would take Okafor over Perk. He's a high energy guy, and loves to battle in the post and block shots. Some analysts call him a "poor man's" Dwight Howard.
Just what the Celtics need.
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/23/2010 5:41 AM EDT
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Okafor is overpriced and a bit undersized, but he is a good defensive player, and a banger. I'd take him as a player over Perk. IMO he's a better version of Perk.
The C's don't have a realistic way to make that deal.
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/23/2010 7:20 AM EDT
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Posted by Mployee8
You really believe that Ainge would do that trade?
I say Chris Paul goes to the Knicks.
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/23/2010 12:17 PM EDT
There is absolutely no way the celtics will be anyone's favorite. No way!! Not happening!!
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/23/2010 2:07 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if).... : You really believe that Ainge would do that trade? I say Chris Paul goes to the Knicks.
Posted by Fierce34
Didn't say that ... just said it was doable when you said it wasn't.
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/23/2010 5:39 PM EDT
Sorry but the Lakers got Barnes. Lakers have the best 10 in the NBA.
Kobe
Gasol
Bynum
Artest
Fisher
Odom
Barnes
Blake
Brown
Ratliff
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/23/2010 7:09 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if).... : Didn't say that ... just said it was doable when you said it wasn't.
Posted by Mployee8
It was a Chris Paul for Rajon Rondo trade. Didn't mention anything about adding Glen Davis or Rasheed Wallace. Read that post again and tell me if there was any mention of other players involved.
Re: We'll be the favorite IF (big if)....
posted at 7/23/2010 7:10 PM EDT
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Let me say 1st (tommy heinsohn voice) I LOVVVE RAJON RONDO!!! But, you gotta think we lost the NBA finals bc the Lakers exposed his weakness (long range J & FT shooting) & let Kobe sag the lane which clogged our O)...Yes Rondo is a unique talent, But is he beter than Chris Paul?.....Back to my original point.... If the C's can pull a Rondo (& some pieces, Bradley, Picks, the contract of Sheed's ghost) for Chris Paul deal (I even like Simmons tweet of tossing in Perk for Okafor) & convince Matt Barnes to sign a 1 year deal w/us too.........You gotta think that we'd be the favorite to win it all in 2010-11!?!? Paul, Ray, PP, KG, Okafor 1st unit Nate, Barnes, Harangody, BBD, O'Neal 2nd unit That's a tough 10 to deal with, maybe the best 10 in basketball....
Posted by Red-Doc-Redemption
I know you guys have a lot of optimism, but seriously...the C's the favorites?!
Your "Big 3" is a year older, Perk is out till at least December, you lost Tony Allen, and most of the East improved CONSIDERABLY! Obviously the Heat are MUCH improved (but who knows if they'll mesh), the Magic improved themselves but not by a lot, but the Bulls I think will surprise a lot of people. They spent their money wisely.
At any rate, I don't doubt the C's will make noise again for the playoffs, but they will not be the favorites, even to win the East. And I didn't even mention the Lakers.
