What will you guys give up to get him to Boston? Is he that good to give up a first round pick or several? Sheed's contract? ...
(I copied the question from the website above, I thought it might be interesting to see what you guys think)
What is Fernandez worth to you?
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What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 5:02 PM EDT
- MichBelgium
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http://celticshub.com/2010/07/28/source-cs-in-lead-position-in-rudy-fernandez-trade-talks/ -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 6:04 PM EDT
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If it's just a trade involving Rudy then either a #1 draft pick and cash or a S&T for Scal or Scott Pollard & P J Brown will get it done. Otherwise there has to be more players involved. -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 6:10 PM EDT
- BirdandCowens
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S & T for Scal. Or include Pryzbilla for Sheed and draft pick. This and Sheed would be immense! -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 9:44 PM EDT
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The only way I take Fernandez is getting Pryzbilla with him and not giving up a lot. -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 9:52 PM EDT
- LightSaber
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:If it's just a trade involving Rudy then either a #1 draft pick and cash or a S&T for Scal or Scott Pollard & P J Brown will get it done. Otherwise there has to be more players involved.
Posted by Mployee8Are you high on drugs tonight?Scott Pollard and PJ Brown? -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 10:01 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : Are you high on drugs tonight? Scott Pollard and PJ Brown?
Posted by LightSaber
I assure you I am of one sound mind and body unlike the multiple personalities that you mascarade under on these threads.
I'll remind you that Pollard and Brown are still Celtic property on the books for $850k each and thus could be used in a trade and then renounced. Does that seem crazy to you? -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 10:03 PM EDT
- LightSaber
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : I assure you I am of one sound mind and body unlike the multiple personalities that you mascarade under on these threads. I'll remind you that Pollard and Brown are still Celtic property on the books for $850k each and thus could be used in a trade and then renounced . Does that seem crazy to you?
Posted by Mployee8Post the link where it says the Celtics can use PJ Brown and Scott Pollard for trades.You can't trade a retired player. Since you know some Spanish I think you know what the word "loco" means. -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 10:05 PM EDT
- Waynestarr
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Not much. He wasn't too productive with the Blazers. He lost playing time and rode the "pine" for a good while.
Why would the Celtics want him? The only positive about this guy is his height.
He couldn't throw it in the Pacific even if he was on a pleasure boat.
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Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 10:29 PM EDT
- Mployee8
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : Post the link where it says the Celtics can use PJ Brown and Scott Pollard for trades. You can't trade a retired player. Since you know some Spanish I think you know what the word "loco" means.
Posted by LightSaber
Let's see who's right shall we Fierce?
I say that a retired player can come back any time he wants under an existing contract or a new one as long as he hasn't filed papers with the league office. And I can provide a link as soon as you post your proof and link that I am wrong.
As far as Brown & Pollard go ... here's a link that proves they are still Celtic property and on our cap holds at $850k each. If they will sign a new contract on behalf of the C's for a signing bonus then they can be waived/renounced by the acquiring team after a trade.
http://www.hoopdata.com/salaries/BOS.aspx
Scroll down to "Other Cap Holds" ... TA, Daniels & SWill s/b removed from that list soon as they've resigned with other teams. -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 11:27 PM EDT
- sportsbozo1
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No Es Tu Loco mi amigo!!! El Valor en numero nada, por Senor Fernandez....Or in english I place no value on Fernandez... He might well wind up in a Celtic Uniform but I like trading both Pollard and PJ Brown as well if there is a way to do that. -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 11:32 PM EDT
- LightSaber
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : Let's see who's right shall we Fierce? I say that a retired player can come back any time he wants under an existing contract or a new one as long as he hasn't filed papers with the league office. And I can provide a link as soon as you post your proof and link that I am wrong. As far as Brown & Pollard go ... here's a link that proves they are still Celtic property and on our cap holds at $850k each. If they will sign a new contract on behalf of the C's for a signing bonus then they can be waived/renounced by the acquiring team after a trade. http://www.hoopdata.com/salaries/BOS.aspx Scroll down to "Other Cap Holds" ... TA, Daniels & SWill s/b removed from that list soon as they've resigned with other teams.
Posted by Mployee8Are you out of your mind!YOU CANNOT TRADE CAP HOLDS! -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 11:38 PM EDT
- LightSaber
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Even if the Celtics manage to give Pollard and PJ Brown contracts they would not able to trade them because after a free agent is signed you can't trade him for 3 months. -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 11:39 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : Are you out of your mind! YOU CANNOT TRADE CAP HOLDS!
Posted by LightSaber
No sheet hemlock ... you must resign and trade them. Is that too involved for your three personalties to comprehend? -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 11:51 PM EDT
- LightSaber
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : No sheet hemlock ... you must resign and trade them. Is that too involved for your three personalties to comprehend?
Posted by Mployee8Fine, re-sign them. But you still can't trade them because after a free agent is signed he can't be traded for 3 months.It's nonsense to sign retired players just so you can trade them. -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/28/2010 11:56 PM EDT
- Mployee8
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : Fine, re-sign them. But you still can't trade them because after a free agent is signed he can't be traded for 3 months. It's nonsense to sign retired players just so you can trade them.
Posted by LightSaber
I'll remind you that the Lakers resigned and traded a coach on another team that was still on their books to make the Gasol trade work ... remember Fierce? -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/29/2010 12:04 AM EDT
- LightSaber
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : I'll remind you that the Lakers resigned and traded a coach on another team that was still on their books to make the Gasol trade work ... remember Fierce?
Posted by Mployee8Are you really that stupid? Aaron McKie was on their books but PJ Brown and Scott Pollard are not.So let me get this straight, sign PJ Brown or Scott Pollard then wait 3 months to trade them for Rudy Fernandez, is that what you're saying? -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/29/2010 12:05 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : Fine, re-sign them. But you still can't trade them because after a free agent is signed he can't be traded for 3 months. It's nonsense to sign retired players just so you can trade them.
Posted by LightSaber
That's what a S&T is Fierce. You resign your own player and trade him ... Hello? -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/29/2010 12:10 AM EDT
- LightSaber
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : That's what a S&T is Fierce. You resign your own player and trade him ... Hello?
Posted by Mployee8I can't believe you're that stupid to even come up with the idea of a sign and trade for PJ Brown and Scott Pollard. Is there a team out there dumb enough to pay 800k for a player that is retired? You are crazy! -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/29/2010 12:16 AM EDT
- Mployee8
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : Are you really that stupid? Aaron McKie was on their books but PJ Brown and Scott Pollard are not. So let me get this straight, sign PJ Brown or Scott Pollard then wait 3 months to trade them for Rudy Fernandez, is that what you're saying?
Posted by LightSaber
/> The Los Angeles Lakers have acquired forward Pau Gasol in a trade with the Memphis Grizzlies, it was announced today by General Manager Mitch Kupchak. The Lakers will also receive the Grizzlies second round draft choice in 2010. In exchange Memphis will receive forward Kwame Brown, guard Javaris Crittenton, guard Aaron McKie (who the Lakers signed earlier today), the draft rights to Marc Gasol and first round picks in 2008 and 2010.
Read it and weep! The Lakers signed and trades McKie that day ... Gee, did they wait three months? No!
Get your facts straight before posting your drivel or don't post ... your nonsensical arguments do nothing but misinform other readers here. Why they give you any credibility is beyond me! -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/29/2010 12:24 AM EDT
- LightSaber
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : /> The Los Angeles Lakers have acquired forward Pau Gasol in a trade with the Memphis Grizzlies, it was announced today by General Manager Mitch Kupchak. The Lakers will also receive the Grizzlies second round draft choice in 2010. In exchange Memphis will receive forward Kwame Brown, guard Javaris Crittenton, guard Aaron McKie (who the Lakers signed earlier today) , the draft rights to Marc Gasol and first round picks in 2008 and 2010. Read it and weep! The Lakers signed and trades McKie that day ... Gee, did they wait three months? No! Get your facts straight before posting your drivel or don't post ... your nonsensical arguments do nothing but misinform other readers here. Why they give you any credibility is beyond me!
Posted by Mployee8That trade does not fall under the Sign and Trade agreement.GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/29/2010 12:26 AM EDT
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The Celtics can trade Lafayette and Gaffney so why make it difficult? -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/29/2010 12:31 AM EDT
- Mployee8
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : I can't believe you're that stupid to even come up with the idea of a sign and trade for PJ Brown and Scott Pollard. Is there a team out there dumb enough to pay 800k for a player that is retired? You are crazy!
Posted by LightSaber
Yes, according to you!
The C's could resign those players for $850k each and trade them to Portland for Rudy ... it would not cost the Trailblazers a penny since we are swapping salaries remember. They renounce them and get cap relief and we spent $1.7m to get Rudy. Like the Lakers did with McKie but that was dumb right? -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/29/2010 12:34 AM EDT
- Mployee8
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : Let's see who's right shall we Fierce? I say that a retired player can come back any time he wants under an existing contract or a new one as long as he hasn't filed papers with the league office. And I can provide a link as soon as you post your proof and link that I am wrong. As far as Brown & Pollard go ... here's a link that proves they are still Celtic property and on our cap holds at $850k each. If they will sign a new contract on behalf of the C's for a signing bonus then they can be waived/renounced by the acquiring team after a trade. http://www.hoopdata.com/salaries/BOS.aspx Scroll down to "Other Cap Holds" ... TA, Daniels & SWill s/b removed from that list soon as they've resigned with other teams.
Posted by Mployee8
Still waiting for your response and proof that "you can't sign a retired player"... how bout it Fierce, can't back up your statements? -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/29/2010 12:35 AM EDT
- LightSaber
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : Yes, according to you! The C's could resign those players for $850k each and trade them to Portland for Rudy ... it would not cost the Trailblazers a penny since we are swapping salaries remember. They renounce them and get cap relief and we spent $1.7m to get Rudy. Like the Lakers did with McKie but that was dumb right?
Posted by Mployee8They can but why go to that extent when players like Tony Gaffney and Oliver Lafayette can be used instead. Both players have a salary of 762k each. -
Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?
posted at 7/29/2010 12:38 AM EDT
- LightSaber
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In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you?:In Response to Re: What is Fernandez worth to you? : Still waiting for your response and proof that "you can't sign a retired player"... how bout it Fierce, can't back up your statements?
Posted by Mployee8You really want to give PJ Brown or Scott Pollard the vet's minimum just so that they can be used as trade bait? Don't forget the Celtics are over the cap, they only have the vet's minimum left to fill out the roster.