What player would help us?

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    What player would help us?

    Is there anyone out there other than Love that would help us?

     
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    Is there anyone out there other than Love that would help us?

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    I think if the Celtics could get Javel Magee (not sure of spelling) from Denver.  He's coming off an injury but when he played for Washington he was a freakish athlete.  Thoughts?

     
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    Is there anyone out there other than Love that would help us?

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    Monroe

    Pekovic

    McGee

    Nurkic

    Warren

    Capela

    Steamer

    How much time do you have.....lol?

     

     
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    No player can help the Celts right now.

    Lebron or Durant would have helped, but they're not available.

     
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    a rim protecting Center or an upgraded sf. I enjoyed the idea of getting Asik or Parsons, both of which are unavailable now. I think we are fairly strong at the 1,2 and 4 positions. 

     
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    a rim protecting Center or an upgraded sf. I enjoyed the idea of getting Asik or Parsons, both of which are unavailable now. I think we are fairly strong at the 1,2 and 4 positions. 

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    Actually, I believe that we may be OK at 1,2,3 and 4.  That is because Young may be a 3.  Of-course, that makes us small all around.  So adds more pressure on 5.

    Of-course, I don't mean good enough to compete right away.  But it is possible that 3 may get covered long term if Young turns out to be another Batum.

     
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    Is there anyone out there other than Love that would help us?





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    Monroe


    Pekovic


    McGee


    Nurkic


    Warren


    Capela


    Steamer


    How much time do you have.....lol?


     


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    Monroe's agent wants to force a S&T to a preferred destination or have him play for the QO this season to become a FA next.


    http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2014/07/monroe-celtics-anthony.htm


     


    Even though the Mavs have signed Parsons and Jefferson they may still have room for Stephenson. Do they do it and does Bird take it w/o getting a return?  And can we offer Bird something (S&T Hump, Bass etc) to acquire another asset?


     

     
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    Patric Young and Seth Curry (as far as cheap free agents go, with GREAT value)

     
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    Other than Love, there is nobody available that would drastically change the direction of the team.  Unless Danny adds someone who can be paired with Rondo that automatically makes them a viable playoff team, and/or good enough to attract a big name free agent in 2015, then the threat of Rondo walking or demanding a trade is very, very real.  They need an established All Star to make this happen, not just guys who may win them 5-10 more games this season.

    The free agents left wouldn't do either of those things, and there has been no talk of any other All Stars besides Love that are on the trade block or have been deemed disgruntled with their current team. But I guess an unforeseen trade could come up with a player that isn't even on anyone's radar. Like, IDK...Blake Griffin decides he hates Doc and LAC and demands a trade, or Marc Gasol or someone, but that is highly unlikely.

    If something like that doesn't come up before Rondo makes his decision than Danny is going to have to blow it up, and the longer he waits to do so the longer this rebuild will take.  Also the closer to Rondo's free agency it gets the less teams will offer for Rondo because they will know Danny is over a barrel.

     
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    Danny got out-tanked last year, and is being out-flanked during this offseason.  He needs to pick a path and get moving!  If Love isn't coming here, then get working on the skeletal structure of this rebuild! 

    Rondo should be traded, Bass, traded, Hump S&T'd!  If you cant get someone to take Green, then let him know he doesnt have a place on the team and let him walk.  Thorton should be flipped or "Bogans"ed. Young guys should be starting and playing big minutes. More picks, including second rounders acquired so you can move up during the drafts.

    As it stands now we have a team with no solid direction, and no help on the way. Their looking down the barrel of a 30-35 win season that will get them nothing in the draft and allow their number 1 asset to just walk out the door for nothing.

     
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    Danny got out-tanked last year, and is being out-flanked during this offseason.  He needs to pick a path and get moving!  If Love isn't coming here, then get working on the skeletal structure of this rebuild! 

    Rondo should be traded, Bass, traded, Hump S&T'd!  If you cant get someone to take Green, then let him know he doesnt have a place on the team and let him walk.  Thorton should be flipped or "Bogans"ed. Young guys should be starting and playing big minutes. More picks, including second rounders acquired so you can move up during the drafts.

    As it stands now we have a team with no solid direction, and no help on the way. Their looking down the barrel of a 30-35 win season that will get them nothing in the draft and allow their number 1 asset to just walk out the door for nothing.

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    I understand your point, but creating a losing culture is worse.  The only way to do this is to trade away fringe talent, and do your best to win.  To try to lose means your franchise will never have the culture to win.  You can spoil "good talent" that there.

     
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    Danny got out-tanked last year, and is being out-flanked during this offseason.  He needs to pick a path and get moving!  If Love isn't coming here, then get working on the skeletal structure of this rebuild! 


    Rondo should be traded, Bass, traded, Hump S&T'd!  If you cant get someone to take Green, then let him know he doesnt have a place on the team and let him walk.  Thorton should be flipped or "Bogans"ed. Young guys should be starting and playing big minutes. More picks, including second rounders acquired so you can move up during the drafts.


    As it stands now we have a team with no solid direction, and no help on the way. Their looking down the barrel of a 30-35 win season that will get them nothing in the draft and allow their number 1 asset to just walk out the door for nothing.





    I understand your point, but creating a losing culture is worse.  The only way to do this is to trade away fringe talent, and do your best to win.  To try to lose means your franchise will never have the culture to win.  You can spoil "good talent" that there.


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    I actually agree with you in some cases. Places like Milwaukee, Charlotte, Sacremento, this is absolutely true.  But that is because it is rare for those teams to have a competent and focused front office and coaching staff.  


    I have faith that this Coaching and management staff can keep the winning culture alive in the locker room during a 3 or 4 year drought, until we can build up enough TRUE asset players to make moves and compete at an elite level. 


    One thing Boston also has that very few teams do is Legends of the game who continue to interact with the team.  Milwaukee doesn't have a Jo Jo White, Sam Maxwell, or Tommy walking around their facilities, putting their arms around guys and reinforcing what it means to be a Celtic.


    If all you can do is continue to add mid-level talent then all you will ever be is a mid-level team.  You NEED top 15-25 level players to truly build a contender. Right now we have nobody who is a top 25 player, except (maybe) Rondo, and he will walk in free agency if another one isn't added.


    PS, It's not a losing culture, it's a developmental culture. Losing is just the byproduct which helps stimulate greater assets in the end. 

     
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    Well.....considering the roster is pretty pathetic as it currently stands....I'm pretty sure I can help them.

     
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    A team that had little shot at winning the lottery last year won it.  It's a crap shoot to simply rely on the lottery.  If the C's go out and try to win games next year -- fine.  They won't win many of them.  DA is going to move vets (Bass, Green, Thornton) to build cap space and continue to accumulate picks/assets.  DA has some assets with which to work, and the Celts will probably be right back in the top end of the lottery next year.  This will be the recipe to get back to contender status -- try to win with young guys, collect assets and get lottery picks. It will take a little luck in the lottery, in the trade market and in free agency to get there.     



     
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    Danny got out-tanked last year, and is being out-flanked during this offseason.  He needs to pick a path and get moving!  If Love isn't coming here, then get working on the skeletal structure of this rebuild! 

    Rondo should be traded, Bass, traded, Hump S&T'd!  If you cant get someone to take Green, then let him know he doesnt have a place on the team and let him walk.  Thorton should be flipped or "Bogans"ed. Young guys should be starting and playing big minutes. More picks, including second rounders acquired so you can move up during the drafts.

    As it stands now we have a team with no solid direction, and no help on the way. Their looking down the barrel of a 30-35 win season that will get them nothing in the draft and allow their number 1 asset to just walk out the door for nothing.

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    Your scenario is the perfect plan for:

    • Never attracting any free agents.
    • Having rookies leave at the first possible opportunity. 
    • Destroying any credibility the franchise has developed over its entire history.  

    Treating players like toxic waste is a sure fire way to bring another championship to Boston, right?

     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from CelticGreenLP. Show CelticGreenLP's posts

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    1. What free agents are we attracting right now????

    2.The only time this team signs decent players is when they already play here. I don't see that changing because we are in the lottery for the next 2 maybe 3 years.

    3. the Celtics have been bad before. Very bad actually, and have tanked before. Nobody took down the banners when they blatantly tanked in '96, '07. Last year Danny half-tanked and it was fine, but now he has to finish what he started.

    It's not like the players or coach aren't trying to win in this scenario, it's that they should be fielding a somewhat unbalanced and very young roster, which in turn leads to losses.  If Smart, Bradley, Sully, Olynyk, and perhaps Young are playing heavy minutes this year, AND they win like 35-40 games then so be it. Great, in fact because that means these guys are over performing and better than we thought.  However, if the team wins 40 games and sneaks into the playoffs with Rondo, Bass, Green, Wallace, and Thornton playing the bulk of the minutes than it is hurting the team moving forward.

    That isn't making the young guys any better, or positioning yourself to get a high draft pick. Being a .500 team doesn't bring value to your vets either so it doesn't add anything in terms of trades.  

    This team as constructed with its vets stealing time from the kids is just good enough to get into the playoffs. But that is their ceiling. No free agent available and willing to sign here is going to change that, so it would have to be a previously, and completely unforeseen trade. If that very unlikely situation doesn't present itself, the next best option is blowing it up completely. Which is a viable and widely used (even by the C's) rebuilding strategy across the NBA landscape, and has been for decades.

     
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    Zeller could turn out to be a find.

    ...the King of the Rumba Beat...

     
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    This guy sounds more and more like he's willing to stay for MLE money!

    Free agent Kris Humphries is still open to returning to the Celtics, writes Ben Rohrbach of WEEI 93.7 FM. Humphries said, “I could definitely see it. My agent handles most of the stuff with free agency. We’ll see what happens. I definitely could see it. I played out last year and didn’t look to jump to a playoff team before the end of the year, so I definitely enjoyed my time there, and we’ll see what happens.”

     

    http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2014/07/eastern-humphries-patterson.html

     
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    Hump can see it, but Ainge can't!

    Pay additional 5-6m just to take away minutes from Oly and Sully?

    Ainge is not stupid!

     
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    Hump can see it, but Ainge can't!


    Pay additional 5-6m just to take away minutes from Oly and Sully?


    Ainge is not stupid!





    No but you are if you don't think that Hump couldn't be traded later.


    Why do you insist that trades happen "now" when no deal is going down now.


    Acquiring trade chips that can be moved later makes sense especially if Love is traded after the season starts or near the trade deadline.


    Nothing wrong with carrying guys like Hump, Stephenson or Turner, Thornton, Bradley, Bass etal if they are easily moved of combined for an upgrade in assets or that big acquisition.

     
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    No but you are if you don't think that Hump couldn't be traded later.

    Why do you insist that trades happen "now" when no deal is going down now.

    Acquiring trade chips that can be moved later makes sense especially if Love is traded after the season starts or near the trade deadline.

    Nothing wrong with carrying guys like Hump, Stephenson or Turner, Thornton, Bradley, Bass etal if they are easily moved of combined for an upgrade in assets or that big acquisition.

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    Last season Ainge had a chance to get an additional 1st round pick for Hump at the trade deadline.

    Hump had an expiring contract then.

    Now Ainge and the Celts will get nothing in return for Hump once he signs with another team.

     

    Celts can't get a Turner or a Stephenson, unless it's for the vet's minimum, because including Bogans' contract, the Celts are at around 76m.

    That's right around the luxury tax threshold.

     

    So Kris Humphries is not walking through that door, fans.

    Spencer Hawes is not walking through that door.

    Anthony Morrow is not walking through that door.

    And a lot more are not walking through that door, fans.

     

    Right now, unless Ainge can get Kevin Love, the current Celtics is most probably what you'll see on opening night. 

     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from BrandBreaker8. Show BrandBreaker8's posts

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    They have room for Hump by waiving Bogans and Babb.

    They can trade Bogans for Turner if not giving Hump the MLE or if Indy faces losing Stephenson for nothing could take him in return for Thornton & filler.

    All sorts of options out there ... Wallace and/or Anthony can be waived and stretched. Even your "reliable source" Chris Forsberg said it makes sense to stretch Wallace!

     
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    I'll take Monroe in a heart beat, the pistons willing to do a sign and trade. Maybe we can give them Jeff green or bass and a pick. 

     
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