Re: What really set the Celtics back in the 1990's
posted at 2/15/2014 6:33 PM EST
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Still boils down to Bias's death. He would have been at his peak and things would have been a lot different.
Put Len Bias and Reggie Lewis on those teams in the early 90's and see what you have.
it is impossible to blame anyone for two excellent basketball players dying.
Like I said in Fiercy's damaged and ignorant thread:
1. You cannot expect a championship team to have the #2 pick. Bias's death was awful but the lucky result of a trade for borderline starter Gerald Henderson back before teams smartly put protection on draft picks. Bird, Parish and McHale were built after the team was bad for 2-3 years and through the draft and a shrewd trade.
2. It was not like Bird or McHale had died. A championship team lost a 1st rd pick who never played for them. The 1990's were four year away. I am talking about what happened leading up to the 90's that set the team back more than crying over what could have been? Bias death CRUASHED Red. Bias was his local Baltimore boy who would be his black grandson the way Russ was his black son. He was about to be 70 year old and was NEVER the same decision maker again.
3. Lewis was 28 and like a slightly better Jeff Green in 1993. Interesting they both had heart issues. If you got the absolute best they could be you had a #2 player and still needed a superstar. If you got the drifiting not aggressive Reggie/JG you had a #4 player. So they could only be counted on as the 3rd best player on a contender. It was tragic and horrible and unlike Bias, Reggie was part of the team, Celtic family and the 'rebuild' as the only all-star after the big 3 were gone (like Rondo now). But, the team still needed to rebuild even had Reggie lived and probably would have been forced to trade him like will Rondo.
**Stern keeping his contract $ on our cap (obviously money should still have gone to his wife) was absolute trash and a shameful black eye on his time as GM as it was all pettiness and a grudge with Red and not fair to an entire organization and fanbase.**
I don't disagree with most of your points.
Lewis though was a lot better than Green. A lot.
Career per 36 minutes he averaged 19.4 a game on 49 percent shooting.
In Greens career per 36 he averages 15 points a game on 44 percent shooting.
Lewis was far better than Green. And my point about Bias is that no one knows what would have happened if he had not died. He could have been a superstar. He could have stayed with Boston.
Put him on the Celtics in the early 90's along with Bird, Lewis, Parish and Mchale?
No telling what you have there. It is all guess work.
Lewis was better, I guess I can change my slighty better to solidly better. But still, the comparison between the position the teams are/were in remains the same.
Isn't Rondo just as much better than Sherman Douglas as Lewis is better than Green?
Wasn't Dee Brown and electric all offense PG sized but can't play PG 5th starter the same way Avery is all those things but all defense?
The '93 team with Lewis alive would have been in the same position this 2013 team was.
And Bias is the pipe dream we can't even talk about when it comes to the 1990's rebuild. An impossible gift at pick #2 that championship teams never should expect to have. 3 years later the team should have had long enough to make a plan for the next decade and recovering from that horrible situation and Red's failures in 1989 set them back.