Re: What set us back in the 1990s
posted at 2/23/2014 3:48 PM EST
In response to Fiercy's comment:
We both agreed that taking Michael Smith over Tim Hardaway and Shawn Kemp was a mistake.
Because there is proof that Hardaway and Kemp are clearly better than Michael Smith.
Their careers is proof of that.
By saying that your entire 'Dave Gavitt did nothing after Bird retired was what set the team back most in the 90's' argument goes right out the window.
Do you not get this??
It was about Hardaway, who EVERYONE was set to draft and owner Paul Cohen was crazy about. Not Kemp. Do you have any idea what having a player like Hardaway would have done to the '90-'92 teams and then what having him as a trade asset in '93-'94 would have done to the rebuild after Lewis died?
NOTHING Gavitt could have done in the 21 months between Bird retiring and his being 'moved upstairs' before the '94 draft/Wilkins offseason could have helped the Celtics rebuild more than just drafting Hardaway over Smith.
But saying that not trading McHale for Sam Perkins and Schrempf was a mistake can't be proven.
WRONG! Stats don't lie. Did you seriously just say this??
We can never know for sure how that would turn out.
Really? Are you STILL trying to argue this? From 1990-1993 McHale just got worse and worse as his body fell to pieces. 1990 was the ONLY season McHale was better to have than JUST Perkins alone and the team was bounced in the 1st round.
1991-1993 Perkins played 215 games, scored 3,060 points, grabbed 1,652 rebounds and defended both PF's and C's very well ages 29-31. Perkins shot about one 3 pointer a game but managed FG%'s of 51-47-49% those 3 years.
1991-1993 McHale played 195 games, scored 2,393 points, grabbed 1,168 rebounds, lost his defensive prowess and saw his league leading 60% on FG's in '88 fall to 55% by 1990, 51% by 1992 and 46% his last year in 1993.
Perkins ALONE is at least a wash over McHale for those 4 years. Then McHale was GONE, retired, and Perkins could have been used as a trade asset to get something, likely a late 1st round pick from a contender.
Then you take into account Schrempf ALSO being in the deal??? It is NOT 'fantasy' to know how much better this team would have been. HE was the type of player Red was talking about when he bragged about Michael Smith. Detlef was just 2 years older than smith in 1989. '90-'93 Schrempf played in all but 6 games and averaged 16.7 points and 8.8 rebounds. WOW. Having him on the C's to help with all the games Bird missed, and then as a trade asset to send to a contender after Lewis died...
Unreal that you feel there is no 'proof' that that was a mistake or that b/c McHale was still a 23ppg player at age 32 that Red was justified to not make a trade.