What set us back in the 1990s

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    Re: What set us back in the 1990s

    In response to Fiercy's comment:



    How could've I lost when everything you're saying is just your opinion.

    You have said nothing that Celtic fans don't know about.

    Red made a mistake by picking Smith instead of Hardaway.

    Does that mean Gavitt can't do anything about it?

    For example, why sign Xavier McDaniel to replace Bird?

    Gavitt didn't have to do that.

    By signing McDaniel, that made the Celts a middle of the pack team that would just exit in the 1st round of the playoffs.

    Saying that Red made mistakes and Gavitt couldn't do anything to correct those mistakes is lame.

    When Rick Pitino stepped down in 2001, Chris Wallace was able to turn the Celtics into a playoff team that reached the east finals in 2002.

    Get it?

    Just because your predecessor failed, it doesn't mean you have to fail too.

    That's common sense.




    LAME

    So Fiercy admits Red failed in 1989.

    And Fiercy has come up with "Gavitt didn't have to sign Xavier McDaniel to replace Bird" as his only proof so far that Gavitt was more to blame than Red.

    How LAME.

    No McDaniel in 1993 hardly does anything.

    He averaged 4.4 win shares in 1993. That means the team wins 4 games less without him. The guy he replaced in the rotation, Ed Pinckney, was worth 7.5 win shares in 1992. The C's would have dropped a few picks in the draft w/o X. They'd have needed to drop 9 more wins to move up far enough in the '93 draft to take a player who'd make any impact.. Allen Houston. The rest of the picks in the teens in that draft were busts.

    Even had Gavitt gotten close enough to get Houston at 11, nothing close of Chris Webber or Anfernee Hardaway, picks 1 and 3 would have closed the gap at all between having Kevin's McHale's broken body in 1992 (10.7p/5r) over Hardaway (21.5p/10.6a), Schrempf (19.1p/9.6r) and Sam Perkins (13.1p/6.6r). WOW!

    And the C's would have had those guys on 50 win teams in 1990-91-92... who knows what could have happened...

    If EVERYONE knew Red passing on Hardaway for Smith was an epicc disaster... than EVERYONE knows Red was more to blame for setting the team back in the 90's than Dave Gavitt.

    Duh

    Gavitt tried to make up for Red's mistakes quite well by convinving Shaw to come back from Italy and drafting the 3rd best guard of the 1990 draft, Dee Brown, with pick 19. The best guard (Gary Payton) went #2 and the second best (Kendall Gill) went #5.

    Pretty good turnaround after Red's BOMBING of the '89 draft.

     
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    Re: What set us back in the 1990s

    In response to Fiercy's comment:

    Gavitt brought back Shaw then got rid of Shaw after one season.

    Shaw was traded for Sherman Douglas one season after Shaw returned from Europe, right?

     

    And Dee Brown is Gavitt's greatest achievement?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

     

    Think about it, ML Carr produced Antoine Walker, a 3-time All-Star.

    Rick Pitino produced one of the greatest Celtic players, Paul Pierce.

    And Dave Gavitt produced Dee Brown.

    HAHAHA



    The laugh is on you Fiercy. You are a complete and utter fool.

    So Fiercy admits Red failed in 1989.

    And Fiercy has come up with "Gavitt didn't have to sign Xavier McDaniel to replace Bird" as his only proof so far that Gavitt was more to blame than Red.

    How LAME.

    No McDaniel in 1993 hardly does anything.

    Stick to the TOPIC Fierce. The 'nothing' Gavitt did in 1992 after Bird retired, other than sign X, was NOTHING compared to the failures of Red in '89. Gavitt hardly set this franchise back at all.

    McDaniel averaged 4.4 win shares in 1993. That means the team wins 4 games less without him. The guy he replaced in the rotation, Ed Pinckney, was worth 7.5 win shares in 1992. The C's would have dropped a few picks in the draft w/o X. They'd have needed to drop 9 more wins to move up far enough in the '93 draft to take a player who'd make any impact.. Allen Houston. The rest of the picks in the teens in that draft were busts.

    Even had Gavitt gotten close enough to get Houston at 11, nothing close of Chris Webber or Anfernee Hardaway, picks 1 and 3 would have closed the gap at all between having Kevin's McHale's broken body in 1992-93 (10.7p/5r) over Hardaway (21.5p/10.6a), Schrempf (19.1p/9.6r) and Sam Perkins (13.1p/6.6r). WOW!

    And the C's would have had those guys on 50 win teams in 1990-91-92... who knows what could have happened...

    Again, where is the proof Fiercy?

    You have provided ZERO.

    you lose

     
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    Re: What set us back in the 1990s

    When Bird retired in 1992... which is when you said Gavitt 'set this franchise back' do you think Gavitt would rather have had:

    - Tim Hardaway, Detlef Schrempf and Sam Perkins and their 8,068 minutes, 54.3 points, 20.1 rebounds and 18.6 assists in '92-'93

    or

    - McHale's broken corpse and the X man giving 3,986 minutes, 24.2 points, 11 rebounds and 3 assists??

    Do you get it yet?

    You are an absolute ignorant lunatic if you think the 1990's were set back further by Gavitt signing McDaniel and going for one more extra year in the playoffs before hitting the lotto the season after Lewis died...

    Over the catastrophe that was 1989 Red Auerbach crippling the franchise for a decade

     
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    Re: What set us back in the 1990s

    It is not speculating, the offer for McHale from Dallas was CONFIRMED
    to be Schrempf and Perkins in some package.

    EVERYONE wanted that in the front office

    EVERYONE wanted Hardaway over Michael Smith

    Fiercy says Gavitt 'set the 1990's back after Bird died' more than Red did in 1989 by blowing those two moves.

    Fiercy is 100% wrong

     
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    Re: What set us back in the 1990s

    I'd have definitely taken Dee over traiter to his country disliked by teammates turrets syndrome Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. He was nothing but a shooter who made his teams worse.


    Anyhow, you definitely amuse me.

    So much spinning, refusing to answer questions, posting garbage, changing the subject, and overall making a fool of yourself after you lost this argument last week.

    Bird calls Gavitt a genius who had great plans for the team's rebuild but ownership never gave him a fair shot (did you read the book yet Fiercy?)

    Read this Ian Thompson article, we all know Ainge would have made the McHale deal, haha:

    Three seasons ago, Ainge told me of how he -- as a guard for the Celtics -- tried to convince team president Red Auerbach to unload Larry Bird and Kevin McHale during the 1988-89 season. I reminded him of that story while asking him why he had decided to make his old team even older by signing Shaq.

    "It's not even close to the same," said Ainge. "I was playing at that time, and no way were we a championship-caliber team in '88 -- not after Larry had had surgery on both Achilles and his back, and Kevin had had a screw put in his foot. They were never the same after that.

    "Our guys had injuries," said Ainge of Garnett and Pierce. "But they were playing at a very high level. It's a different world now -- the [financial] rules are different. I happen to know what was being offered for Larry and Kevin at that time, and it was pretty awesome."


    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ian_thomsen/01/25/celtics.notes/index.html#ixzz2uIOG0MRT
     
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    Re: What set us back in the 1990s

    Keep investing your nickels to my quarters Fiercy as Pud said

    You were ROCKED in this argument

    Red's '89 errors hurt the franchise FAR more than Gavitt's decisions in 1992.

    End of story.

    You lose.

    That's my last post on it. There are dozens to look back on and see where you have been proven wrong and shown to be clueless and ignorant.

    Post something petty and immature with a bunch of 'HAHA's' afterward in response to this Fiercy.

    You showed us all once again why you are a loser and I am a winner. Take care. This thread is a waste of everyone's time since I won the debate last week.

     
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