Everyone seems to want to talk about this summer and rebuilding before this season has even kicked off. I can't wait to watch this years team... but am pretty interested in the future as well.... so here is a thread for that and my personal ideas on what the game plan should be.
Salary cap is going to stay at 58 million next year.
There is a 99% chance we DO NOT get Dwight Howard... but at leats Danny can say he cleared enough space to make an offer. That is more than M.L. and the Gaston's could say when Shaq/Mourning/Dikemebe all became free agents and we were paying Pervis/Dino/Dana.
What should we do with our cap space thread
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What should we do with our cap space thread
posted at 12/15/2011 8:49 PM EST
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posted at 12/15/2011 8:53 PM EST
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So...
Pierce, Rondo, Avery Bradley, E'Twuan Moore and JuJuan Johnson will make about 31 million, Bass has a 4 million player option.
Let's say that Bass opts out... we can always bring him back holding his Bird Rights.
We are now 27 million under the cap.
What should Danny do?
Build a team around Rondo for starters... they have to be able to shoot, run, have great hands and play above the rim. The new Celtics style needs to be like the :07 seconds or less Suns.
Be a fun 2nd rd playoff team that scores 110 points, has the fans excited every night, allows Pierce to have some Bird in '92 McHale in '93 swan song playoff heroics before he retires...
and then hope that when we have cap space again to offer a max deal in 2014 that Rondo has transformed himself into the Nash type PG everyone wants to sign with. (just a decent J and 75% FT's required, not a Nash clone obv. but he will only be 28 that summer and still an all-wordl defender) -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:00 PM EST
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My free agency moves would be looking for players to play the style that fits Rondo best.
And we may have to overpay a little... b/c apparently tradition doesn't matter and Boston is cold and has no beaches... ha.
I would go after Jason Thompson... he is restricted... the Kings have money problems and other young players to extend who are more important. He has never played with a good or even very good passing PG. Rondo is top 4 in the game at that and Kidd/Nash are not going to be her emuch longer.
Thompson age 22-24 on the dreadful Kings was a 27 minute, 11 point, 7 rebound, 1 block 50% FG 68% FT guy.
On our winning team with Rondo age 26-29 he should be paid to hopefully turn into a 34 minute, 17 point, 10 rebound 2 block, 55% FG 75% FT guy.
So we ofgfer him more than DeAndre Jordan got... something close to what
Nene/Chandler got (13-14 million per) and hope the Kings don't match. 4 years 50 million.
BAM!
We have a 6'11" 250 lb F-C who can jump, is very good athlete, decent shot/offensive skills that will only get better and he is over 2 years younger (and stronger) than the similar sized Chris Bosh. -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:02 PM EST
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Offer RFA JaVale McGee (QO @ $3.5M) $7.5M/yr for starters ... If that fails then Kamen for 2 yrs @ $10M per. -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:03 PM EST
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If it's 99% we're not getting Dwight Howard then the Celts should try to get Pau Gasol now. The Lakers are looking to dump salary, the Celts have money but no one to give it to. So it's either Pau Gasol or Emeka Okafor.How to get Pau Gasol:JO, Jeff Green(if he's a disabled player), Brandon Bass, Avery Bradley, and a draft pick(not the top 10 protected)Why the Lakers would do that trade? Simple, they would have a shot at signing Dwight next year.One thing's for sure, if the contracts of Gasol and Kobe are on the Lakers' payroll, there's no way the Lakers are able to sign anyone to a max deal. And that already includes the trade exception they got from Odom.If Laker fans are still thinking they can win a championship this year, then who are they kidding? Ugh! -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:06 PM EST
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Now we have Pierce as the 24-28 minute a game Captain, enjoying his last 2 years in Boston as 14p-4r-3a-1s per game mentor to a fun young team, playing SG and SF- maybe winning a couple 6th man of the year awards... before he goes up in the rafters and hits Europe where he wants his kids to get a cultural experience while he remains a starter and elite scorer into his early 40's.
We have Rondo with maturity and a slighlty improved shot... we will assume he will at least keep you honest from 18 feet and hit 75% of his FT's. He'll also be a 17p-13a-6r-2s all-star ands all defensive 1st team guy.
JuJuan Johnson develops into a reliable option who sticks mid-range J's, defends the Deng/Noah, Bosh, Chandler, Ibaka types with energy and length and finishes well on the break. Maybe an 18 minute 8p-5r-1b guy. -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:07 PM EST
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In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread:If it's 99% we're not getting Dwight Howard then the Celts should try to get Pau Gasol now. The Lakers are looking to dump salary, the Celts have money but no one to give it to. So it's either Pau Gasol or Emeka Okafor. How to get Pau Gasol: JO, Jeff Green(if he's a disabled player), Brandon Bass, Avery Bradley, and a draft pick(not the top 10 protected) Why the Lakers would do that trade? Simple, they would have a shot at signing Dwight next year. One thing's for sure, if the contracts of Gasol and Kobe are on the Lakers' payroll, there's no way the Lakers are able to sign anyone to a max deal. And that already includes the trade exception they got from Odom. If Laker fans are still thinking they can win a championship this year, then who are they kidding? Ugh!
Posted by Fiercest34
No since in helping them get DH ... Let them trade Bynum and Gasol for DH & Turk and stew for five years. -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:08 PM EST
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In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread:Offer RFA JaVale McGee (QO @ $3.5M) $7.5M/yr for starters ... If that fails then Kamen for 2 yrs @ $10M per.
Posted by Mployee8
Beautiful This was my second FA move to Thompson.
Kaman at 2/10 or McGee at 4/30
You called it exactly Mployee
I think that the Wiz would match McGee tho, where the Kings wouldn't go 4/50 for Thompson -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:12 PM EST
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The Lakers and Celtics do not make trades with each other (aside from Payton for Atkins when the C's were a bad club).
They will especially not make a massive trade like the one Fierce is proposing.
When would this trade take place? Over the summer? We have no idea whats going on with Green right now and he can't be tarded for 6 months. -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:12 PM EST
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At least we get a serviceable center for a few years this way ...
Not much else out there without doing flat out trades ... which may be the best way based on what's out there for FA's. -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:16 PM EST
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In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread:In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread : No since in helping them get DH ... Let them trade Bynum and Gasol for DH & Turk and stew for five years.
Posted by Mployee8You're assuming the Magic would do a trade with the Lakers. Didn't you tell those trolls, last week, that there's no way the Magic would trade DH to the Lakers? -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:19 PM EST
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With Kaman the Celtics will just be an 8th seed in the east.The problem with Kaman is he's only good on the offensive end. He's not a good defensive player and he's not a great rebounder, only 8.3 rpg in his career.Emeka Okafor is even a better overall player than Chris Kaman. -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:41 PM EST
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In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread:With Kaman the Celtics will just be an 8th seed in the east. The problem with Kaman is he's only good on the offensive end. He's not a good defensive player and he's not a great rebounder, only 8.3 rpg in his career. Emeka Okafor is even a better overall player than Chris Kaman.
Posted by Fiercest34
Chris Kaman: 29.7 mins 11.8 pts 8.3 reb
Brook Lopez: 34.2 mins 17.4 pts 7.6 reb
Just for comparisons sake -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:44 PM EST
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I forgot to mention that if we get Pau Gasol now we would be on the same level as the Heat, Bulls, and Knicks.C/PF - GasolPF/C - KGSF - PierceSG - RayPG - Rondo6th - Daniels/Moore7th - Dooling8th - Wilcox9th - Pavlovic10th - JaJuan11th - Moore/Daniels -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:45 PM EST
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I am going to assume all is ok w/ Jeff Green and he'll (at worst) be a 14-16 point guy in 30+ mins at mostly SF.
Rondo, Pierce, Green, JuJuan, Thompson and Kaman is not an 8th seed
Especially when we have TWO 1st rd picks, Avery and the MLE to use. We would also have either Bass or another 5-6 million in cap space -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:47 PM EST
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In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread:I forgot to mention that if we get Pau Gasol now we would be on the same level as the Heat, Bulls, and Knicks. C/PF - Gasol PF/C - KG SF - Pierce SG - Ray PG - Rondo 6th - Daniels/Moore 7th - Dooling 8th - Wilcox 9th - Pavlovic 10th - JaJuan 11th - Moore/Daniels
Posted by Fiercest34
Why mention a lineup that isn't going to happen... if LA wants to simply add 1-2 picks, 2 young players and cap space for Pau they can find a better offer from a team that is not their bitter rival.
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:48 PM EST
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In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread:In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread : Chris Kaman: 29.7 mins 11.8 pts 8.3 reb Brook Lopez: 34.2 mins 17.4 pts 7.6 reb Just for comparisons sake
Posted by rameakapThe difference is Brook Lopez is an exceptional offensive Center. Chris Kaman is only very good.Now let's compare Kaman and Okafor.Okafor 32.8 mins 12.9 ppg 10.2 rpg 1.8 bpg -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:52 PM EST
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In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread:I am going to assume all is ok w/ Jeff Green and he'll (at worst) be a 14-16 point guy in 30+ mins at mostly SF. Rondo, Pierce, Green, JuJuan, Thompson and Kaman is not an 8th seed Especially when we have TWO 1st rd picks, Avery and the MLE to use. We would also have either Bass or another 5-6 million in cap space
Posted by rameakap1. We're not sure how JaJuan will turn out. It's not a given that he's already an NBA player, he still has to show us that he can play.2. Jason Thompson-Chris Kaman better than a Pau Gasol-Jason Thompson combo?3. That's if Jeff Green is healthy. What if he's not? -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:54 PM EST
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In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread:The Lakers and Celtics do not make trades with each other (aside from Payton for Atkins when the C's were a bad club). They will especially not make a massive trade like the one Fierce is proposing. When would this trade take place? Over the summer? We have no idea whats going on with Green right now and he can't be tarded for 6 months.
Posted by rameakapI said this deal has to happen now.If Jeff Green passes his physical and his 9m contract is official then no way the Celts can trade for Pau Gasol. My proposal is if Jeff Green doesn't pass the physical and has some sort of condition that turns him into a disabled player. -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:59 PM EST
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In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread:In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread : Why mention a lineup that isn't going to happen... if LA wants to simply add 1-2 picks, 2 young players and cap space for Pau they can find a better offer from a team that is not their bitter rival. like... ugh, whatever Houston was willing to give
Posted by rameakapNope, Houston can't give cap relief.Kevin Martin - 12.94mScola - 9.4mVery few teams want Pau Gasol's contract, 57m in 3 years.Another Lakers vs. Celtics Finals is not happening anytime soon. Just because the Lakers and Celtics don't do trades with each other it doesn't mean they're not going to do business with each other ever! -
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posted at 12/15/2011 9:59 PM EST
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no way would i trade what has been suggested for a gasol. unless his name is marc. -
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posted at 12/15/2011 10:00 PM EST
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I also think it wouldn't be too hard to get Austin Rivers or another exciting young player in the 7-11 range in the draft.
Take a team like the Suns
You offer Avery, both our 1st rd picks (now in the 18-26 range) Johnson (unless he blows up and looks scary good, then you hopefully throw in Bass).
For
The Suns 1st rd pick (7-11), Robin Lopez (backup 7' C with decent D who will give you 20 mins, 8p-5r-1b 55% FG), Childress (owed 24 million over 3 years) and Jared Dudley (local BC guy who can guard Melo/Bron/Deng with some pitbull tenacity and give you 8p-4r)
Wyc has to amnesty childress... a gross 24 million out of pocket... but the reward is you get Austin Rivers... an upgrade to Avery for sure and a pretty cool story to play with Doc... and Robin Lopez/Dudley are really solid players.
PHX saves 35 million and has both an extra draft pick and two cheap young guys on rookie deals as they rebuild post-Nash. -
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posted at 12/15/2011 10:02 PM EST
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In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread:In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread : I said this deal has to happen now. If Jeff Green passes his physical and his 9m contract is official then no way the Celts can trade for Pau Gasol. My proposal is if Jeff Green doesn't pass the physical and has some sort of condition that turns him into a disabled player.
Posted by Fiercest34
My prayers are with Jeff Green for his health
I wouldn't be thinking of scenario's where he doesn't pass his physical (and why would LA want him... or how do you know we get to trade his contract?) and we end up trading with our biggest rival -
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posted at 12/15/2011 10:05 PM EST
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Or the same kind of deal with say Golden State and we take back Biedrins who we don't amnesty but use b/c he is a tough defender and can be good around the rim with Rondo as his PG and not Curry/Ellis -
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posted at 12/15/2011 10:07 PM EST
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C - Kaman, Robin Lopez
PF - Thompson, Bass
SF - Green, Dudley
SG - Pierce, Rivers
PG - Rondo, Hinrich
or
C - Kaman, Biedrins
PF - Thompson, Johnson
SF - Green, Pierce
SG - Ray, Rivers
PG - Rondo, Dooling