What should we do with our cap space thread

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    In summer of 2014 we have a solid core of Rondo-Rivers-Green-Johnson-Thompson that has been to the 2nd rd of the playoffs 2 years in a row playing the fun run and gun ball that all players want to be involved in.

    With 10+ million in cap space after Pierce/Kaman types are off the books.

    Then you look at guys like Deng, Granger, Barnani, Pau Gasol, Bogut, Gortat, Sepholosha.... all are unrestricted

    and of course the class of '10 is restricted so you have Turner, Favors, Cousins, Monroe, Ed Davis, Patterson to bid on and maybe steal away
     
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    [QUOTE]I always said Austin Rivers to the Celtics. But it's not a given Austin Rivers is the best player available when it's the Celts time to make a selection. And it's not a given Austin Rivers will turn out to be the next Kobe or Wade. Going after players like Chris Kaman and Robin Lopez is like putting a Band-Aid on a wound that needs stiching. The Celtics already did that in the 1990s. Decent players will only result in having a decent team. Remember, the Celts won a championship after they became a lottery team. It's either the Celts go big in free-agency or build through the draft via lottery. Staying in the middle is the worst thing that could happen to a franchise. We got KG when he was 31 years old. Pau Gasol is still 31 years old. But a KG for Gasol swap will only happen if Jeff Green is not healthy.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    Disagree

    The Celtics used their lotto picks in a trade for a bust in Telfair and a 32 yr old Ray Allen

    4 of the 5 starters on a champion were acquired thru drafting 10th (Pierce), 15th (Big Al traded for KG), 24th (Rondo) and 28th (Perk).

    You can trade into the 7-11 range and get a future starter who would be a great piece to a champion.

    Then letting Jeff Green walk, having no center and saving 25 million in cap space to become one of the 5 worst teams in the league... just to add another 20 year old to a team with a 27 year old Rondo and still useful Pierce is annoying

    Sign a guy like McGee or Thompson who has been in the league a few years and is Rondo's age and fits his game

    Take advantage of another teams financial struggles like Red used to and use the amnesty on someone while adding another solid player

    Make sure you have the cap space for 2014... after we get to watch some solid playoff battles and FUN 50 wins teams... if you can't add a star that summer to a solid core... then you trade Rondo (1 yr left) and guys like Thompson and Green for draft picks and become THE WORST team in the league

    You don't do that next year
     
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    Kaman would be asked to play 24-28 minutes and give us 12 points and 7 rebounds.

    It is not like we haven't had to play Krstic or Erdan or anything...

    Bring the 07-09 Phoenix Suns for 2 years in an 'anything can happen' league and getting to watch us give everything we can to Miami, Chicago and New York for 2 years while we still have 2 (or maybe 3 if Ray stays as a backup) guys from the 08 championship, one of who (Rondo) is an all-star top 3 PG...

    ...is better than rebuilding completely.

    The mid 90's Celtics were dumb b/c they signed role players to almost starter money and stayed in the 6-16 range in the lotto 94-96...

    We'd be the 4th-6th seed and be a lot of fun

    It is hard to turn Pierce and Rondo into one of the 5 worst teams in the game unless you do nothing with your money and make a public mission statement
     
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    Re: What should we do with our cap space thread

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    [QUOTE]rame From 2003-2005 we were decent, a playoff team, but just the 1st round. It was only when we were bad that we were able to assemble a championship team. Chris Kaman reminds me of Dino Radja. Jason Thompson is like Alaa Abdelnaby. Robin Lopez and Eric Montross have a lot in common.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    1991, 1992 and 2002, 2003 were successful fun seasons in my opinion

    I would not trade Bird's last 2 seasons for top lotto finishes where only 4 players of the top 15 those 2 years were franchise difference makers over the playoff battles we saw....unless we were guaranteed Shaq, Zo, Dikembe or GP.

    It is seasons like 93, 94, 95, 04, 05 and 06 you want to avoid.

    clearly making us the 07-09 Suns is not making us a crummy team picking in the teens

    Chris Kaman is like Christian Laettner (a 16 and 8 guy thru age 28-29)  Jason Thompson at 25 could be about to become like Mychel Thompson in his late 20's (a 17-9) and Robin Lopez is like a Rick Mahorn (8p-6r guy)

    if you want to keep the 80's and 90's comparisons going... I'd take all 3 of those guys age 26-29 and add them to a team with a durable franchise icon in his last 2 seasons who can still give you 15ppg, an all-star elite assist PG and a slew of other young run and gun types/decent draft picks

    over blowing up the whole thing, getting to the salary cap floor each year and gunning for a top 5 pick
     
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    and I am fine with Okafor over Kaman...obv I'm a big UConn guy, we had a class together my Jr. year and his Fresh one...and he's one of my 5 fav Huskies....

    if you can find a fair trade for him for both sides and if his 13 million salary can be absorbed with enough cap space yet to sign Thompson... the perfect fit for Rondo IMO... then do it. It doesn't hurt the 2014 cap space.

    If Jeff Green is fine and has a decent season maybe you can trade Okafor and Ariza for Green (S&T), Avery, Bass and a future #1... for example.
     
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    That's what I mean, we had to go to the lottery to build a championship team. Jeff Green, the #5 pick, turned out to be Ray Allen. If the Celts didn't miss the playoffs in 2007 no Ray Allen.

    If we drafted Kevin Martin over Tony Allen or Delonte West in '04 or Rudy Gay over the Telfair trade in '06 (as Danny would have) then we would have been in position to not need Ray Allen. That was high value for a 32 year old SG we used as a lure for KG and to appease an angry PP.

    Pierce was the 10th pick because the Celts didn't make the playoffs in 1997-98.

    Perk was the 27th pick in 2003 and Rondo was the 21st pick in 2006. Both these picks were acquired through trades, Perk from Memphis and Rondo from the Suns.

    The point is that the 4th and 5th best players on a title team were picked in the 20's.

    KG was the #5 pick in 1995, Ray #5 pick in 1996, and Pierce #10 in 1998. The last 5 years all the teams that won a championship were led by players drafted in the top 5, with the exception of Kobe.

    The point is that we have you can get lucky when a guy like Pierce or Big Al in the 10-15 range... and we can easily get a pick there or higher this year with our assets. We already have a core of solid guys in Rondo-Pierce-Green for the 2 years AND the 25 million in cap space.

    There is no shortcut, it's either go big in free-agency or get a pick in the top 5.

    You don't have to go broke until you don't add the star in 2014 that would replace an in his prime Pierce or KG and push you over the top.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread : Okafor for JO, Jeff Green(disabled player exception), and a draft pick or Avery Bradley The trade works. Remember, David Stern said the Hornets will have a new owner in the 1st half of 2012. That would owner prefer having a cap friendly payroll. Okafor's 40m in the next 3 years is a liability.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    That could work.

    You have to bank so many current trade ideas on poor Jeff Green being 'disabled' when I am very comfortable feeling he will be ok.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread : Larry Bird will always be an exception. So I won't go there. The 2002 Celtics were only successful because the east bad at that time. But seriously, even if we made it to the Finals there was no way we could have beaten the Lakers at that time.  In 2003 the Celtics were swept by the Nets in the 2nd round.  Having decent players like Chris Kaman, Jason Thompson, or Robin Lopez will not get it done. Our goal must be making it to the Finals, not just making the playoffs.  In 2007 we could have ended up with Durant. But it turned out even better, the #5 pick for Ray and the rest is history. If we already have a core that's like our Big 3 of 3-4 years ago then players like Kaman, Thompson, and Lopez would be great additions. But having Kaman, Thompson, or Lopez just so we can make the playoffs is not a good idea. We're going to end up like the Clips that way.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    So your choice as GM/owner is to tell Pierce he can request a trade when he wants to do the 'one team entire career" thing and go into the rafters.... or finish his career on a team that wins 20 games a season gunning for top 3 picks

    and you tell Rondo he has to wait till the last year of his contract when he is 28-29 to have these guys who are 20-23 develop alongside him

    or we trade him too
     
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    Re: What should we do with our cap space thread

     Okafor is average at best and a very expensive average. Why should the Celtics be saddled with that awful contract.
     
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     Decisiones where you take bad contracts because "he's the best available" kill you in the long run. If you believe the Celtics are just an "average" center away from being contenders than maybe. Do you really think the Celtics are that close to winning it again? Being an old team that wins 35-45 games a year is the worst thing possible in the NBA as everyone knows. Okafor is an upgrade over JO but I do not like tying the teams hands for a one year run unless we really believe the Celtics are that close to winning it.
     
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    Re: What should we do with our cap space thread

     I do not believe the Lakers want to get rid of Gasol now that Odom is gone unless it means Dwight Howard in return.
     

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