What should we do with our cap space thread

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    Re: What should we do with our cap space thread

     Picking up a big long term contract just so you can amnesty out of it next year seems a bit much. I understand the idea that the Celtics are old and this is their last chance to win with this group so get a good player with a bad contract now that you can amnesty out of next year makes a certain amount of sense. I just do not think Okafor is that good. If you think the Celtics can get to the Eastern conference finals this year than maybe it's worth the risk (it's not my money after all) but i do not see it.
     
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    In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread : If Orlando doesn't agree to trade with the Lakers then the only way to get Howard is to sign Howard via free-agency. The only way to do that is to get rid of Gasol's contract.
    Posted by Fiercest34


     Yes, but if they can't get Howard the Lakers are still formidable with Gasol and a healthy Bynum (the biggest ? in the NBA this year). Bynum has shown that he could be the second best center in the NBA if he could ever stay healthy. He has the meanness that I like but can he play 70-80 games a year.
     
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     The Lakers are diferrent though. Free agents want to play for them. Boston some how has become a large market city that has no cache for NBA stars right now. Ainge did a great job assembling the 2008 -2010 Celtics but it's clear that free agents know that the Celtics are about to go through a painful rebuil next year.
     
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    Re: What should we do with our cap space thread

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    In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread : That's why if the Lakers want to sign a max contract player they get rid of Gasol's contract. Kobe's 27.85m and Gasol's 19m next season will total 46.85m, the salary cap next season is only 58m.
    Posted by Fiercest34


     The Lakers just print money. Them and the knicks are probably the only two teams that can afford being over the luxury tax for any length of time. The Lakers say they will not use their amnesty clause this year so they may be bigger players in the free agent market in the future then we realize. Everyone assumed Howard was their guy but they went after Paul instead. Letting Odom go makes no sense right now. Unless they amnesty Kobe next year they have no chance with Howard unless they trade for him.  Maybe they want someone like Williams in New Jersey.
     
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    Re: What should we do with our cap space thread

    In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread:
    In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread : Those are ideas ... not "predictions" like you're in the habit of making.  Generally all/most of the ideas presented on this board and this thread are ideas not predictions by all posters and I'm sure you know that  ... except you're the only one keeping score as your crystal ball is opague and you like to spin the outcome of your own shortcomings.
    Posted by Mployee8


    Just stop. 

    Ideas, predictions, whatever. 

    Call it whatever you want, it won't change the fact that none of your "ideas" panned out. This back and forth between you and Fierce has been going on for the last 2 seasons. And it always ends with you getting the crappola kicked out of you.

    We've all heard of Mr. Right. You are the exact opposite, you are Mr. Wrong.

    Can the board police kick you off the board for being wrong all the time? lol
     
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    Re: What should we do with our cap space thread

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    In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread : Hindsight is always 20-20. Kevin Martin over TA or Delonte and Rudy Gay over Telfair are moves made by Ainge that he thought was the best move at that time. The 4th and 5th best players were picked in the 20s, true. But our 3 best players were a top 10 pick and two top 5 picks. It's easier finding the best 4th and 5th best players on the team. It's the best 3 players that's hard to find. Hoping to get lucky in the 10-15 range of the draft resulted in 1 championship the last 22 years. Hoping to get lucky is not a good idea. The Bulls for example, after winning a title in 1998 the Bulls went nowhere after that. But after they got Rose with the #1 pick in 2008 everything changed. At that time the roster was in shambles, but because the Bulls already had a franchise player in Rose, finding the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th best player was made easier.
    Posted by Fiercest34


    pretty terrible example

    for the 98 Bulls to be anything like the '11 Celtics:

    1. They would have to have a top 3 PG in his mid 20's

    We'll give them Jason Kidd... he was the exact same age Rondo is now in 1998. He was a 31% 3-pt shooter the season before and not setting the league on fire from the field... but was an amazing passer/rebounder/defender.

    2. Phil Jackson would have had to spurn his future isea of coaching LA (like Doc did of coaching Miami and the 3 fools in South Beach) to sign a 5 year extension with Chicago

    3. MJ retired, like KG likely will. and they are clearly the #1 reason the Bulls won and the Celtics won. But Pippen was also a free agent. Had he been signed for 2 more seasons and had a strong desire to finish his career a bull, 1 team only... like Pierce... would things have been different?

    Rodman could have grabbed 10 boards a game till age 40 just like Ray can shoot 40% on 3's till age 40. Kukoc was an 18p-6r-5a guy those next 2 years. Kinda like what I assumed Jeff Green would be (minus the assists) if not for this recent health scare.

    So would the Bulls situation have been different with Pippen under contract and willing to retire there, Kidd the new star of the team and Phil the coach... ummm yeah
     
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    Re: What should we do with our cap space thread

    Another reason Chicago is a terrible exaple is the guys they drafted while rebuilding.

    '99 - #1 pick Elton Brand.... ok off to a good start... he'd be the 2nd best player on a top 10 team and 3rd best player on a champion

    '00 - #4 pick Marcus Fizer.... horrible bust

    '01 - #2 Tyson Chandler (only acquired by trading Brand... then never a good player till he elft Chicago)

           #4 - Eddy Curry (terrible bust)

    '02 - #2 - Jay Williams (accident destroys career)

    So they did a terrible job rebuilding exasperated by the Brand trade and Willimas accident.

    By the time thy got good in 2006 behind Hinrich, Gordon, Deng and FREE AGENT SIGNINGS... they were not looking to land the #1 pick and got INSANELY lucky to land Rose when they should have been picking in the 10-15 range.
     
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    Re: What should we do with our cap space thread

    The point is that the Celtics can be relevant again without blowing up their entire team looking for the #1 pick.

    That is b/c they have Doc, Pierce, Rondo, 2-3 young guys who may make a jump this year, 2 draft picks in the 18-26 range and 25 million in cap space.

    The Bulls didn't have Kidd, Pippen and Phil ready to go.

    When they blew it all up and got the #1, #4, #2 picks in 99-01... they got NOTHING out of that.

    Rose was 100% LUCK

    The Bulls fans would have LOVED two more seasons of a HOF coach and SF (franchise icon) and using middle of the road draft picks, cap space, an existing solid 6th man (Kukoc) to be a 50-55 win team losing to the Pacers, the team they beat in their heyday and passed the torch to... in the 2nd rd of the playoffs or East finals a couple years

    That is how the NBA is supposed to go

    They got punsihed by the basketball God's for trying to completely broke 99-02

    and then rewarded in '08 with Rose out of nowhere when they tried to build the team correctly 04-07 with Gordon, Nocioni, Deng, Hinrich, Noah, Sefolosha and a big name free agent (Ben Wallace).
     
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    Re: What should we do with our cap space thread

    In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread:
    In Response to Re: What should we do with our cap space thread : If you disagree with the Bulls then how about OKC? 2007 - Durant and Jeff Green 2008 - Russell Westbrook and Serge Ibaka 2009 - James Harden Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden are the core players of OKC and future looks bright. They did it by building through the draft.
    Posted by Fiercest34



    YES!!!

    that is how you build a team... haha

    They got the #2 pick even with Ray an all-star

    In order to be the Thunder tho we'd have to trade one of Pierce or Rondo before next season...those 2 alone keep us in the 7-11 range.
     
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    Re: What should we do with our cap space thread

    my punctuation/spelling is pretty bad Fierce

    I am typing like a maniac in between watching a preview of tonights scrimmage and feeling sick to my stomach over Green
     
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