What Stevens Sees In Player Stats, so far

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    What Stevens Sees In Player Stats, so far

    Keepers.  NBA Leaders Statistically = Sullinger - Lee - Crawford

    He sees that Sullinger is an efficient scorer and rebounder with a team high and top 20 league  PER of 22+.  By far statistically the best player on the team per 40 minutes played.  Sullinger will not be traded.  Not no way. Not no how.  He is the top 5 pick he was projected to be prior to his injury.  The steal of the draft.  He is only playing 20MPG because Stevens already knows that he is the PF future of the Celtics.  ...So Bass is getting more minutes to showcase for an inevitable trade.  Count on it.

    He sees that Lee is also productive at both ends of the floor.  With a team second best 20+ PER, shooting 55% FG%, virtually no turnovers he is only playing 17 MPG. Why?  Because Bradley is being showcased for a trade.  Lee will be pegged as the #2 SG on the depth chart.  He is better than you all think.  Better than Bradley.  He will not be traded.  

    Speaking of Bradley.  Not only is he too small to play SG at 6'1", he can't shoot from the outside (a horrentous 20% from 3 point territory for a SG!!) and he is a turnover machine (leading the team).  He is playing 30 MPG, taking more shots than anyone on the team and only copntributing 12 PPG.  He has a below league average of 12 PER which is worse than 7 other Celtics players.  DA did not extend his contract for a reason.  Bradley is being showcased and will be traded. Count on it.

    Crawford.  Statistics don't lie.  The guy is shooting 40% from 3 point land, is the 3rd leading scorer on the team.  Excellent turnover ratio. Leading the team by far with 5 APG (Bradley has 1.4).  He is a very capable/deep long term backup at PG who can also provide a spark at SG. 

    Doing OK. Nothing Special (all about 15 PER, or league average statistically):  Green (trade bait), Bass (trade priority), Fav (capable backup at Center), Hump (expiring contract).   

    Bad. Statistically Failing = Bradley (trade bait), Wallace, terrible 9.7 PER (highest trade priority but will require Rondo or Green to move him), and Oly, terrible 9.7 PER (statiscally the best rebounder on the team but needs lots of development to play PF)

     

     
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    Ok. Bold predictions. Stats to back them up. I disagree with AB and Crawford. But your assessment is fair.

     

    You best stand by your words when AB flourishes next to Rondo in January and Sully is traded for Aldridge at the end of the year ;)

     
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    Humphries and Sullinger are our best bigs.

    Lee is our best two guard.

    We are playing Bradley and Olynyk for tanking purposes or to showcase them for trades.

    It's working.

     
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    In response to R9R's comment:
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    Ok. Bold predictions. Stats to back them up. I disagree with AB and Crawford. But your assessment is fair.

     

    You best stand by your words when AB flourishes next to Rondo in January and Sully is traded for Aldridge at the end of the year ;)

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    There is no chance that Rondo and Bradley will comprise the Celtics backcourt in January.  Without our other all star shooters they would offer no outside threat and the offense would be non-existant with collapased D.  They have a Combined lifetimne 3 point average of <20%. Both amoung the league's worst. One of them has to have an outside shot.   LOL.  

    It is much more likely that both will no longer be Celtics in January.  

    and Portland trades Aldridge for Sully?!!  Are you mentally handicapped ? 

     
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    you're offering a false dichotomy. you are saying either bradley will start next to rondo, or he will be traded. that's not true. he is best suited coming off the bench as a SG and is a good compliment to Crawford. Bradley and Crawford would make for a very good 2nd unit backcourt. what Boston needs is a legit SG as a starter. Stevens is trying to force a round peg into a square hole right now and asking Bradley to play out of his role and capabilities. 

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    Lee is better than Bradley. Bradley was not extended, so he is a candidate to be traded.

     
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    What I'm really saying is that Rondo will be traded and so will Bradley.  

    Both Lee and Crawford are statistically better over-all players than Bradley. Bradley is dispensible. All three are good bench players. 

    The Cs did not extend Bradley's contract.  That speaks volumes.  Bradley, Bass and a pick could get us someone like Eric Gordon, a real SG with All Star upside.

    They will not hang onto Rondo for another year while rebuilding and then have Rondo demanding  a long term max deal.  They need Rondo to move Wallace contract while getting a quality Center.  

     

     
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    In response to Fierce34's comment:
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    In response to Eldunker's comment:

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    What I'm really saying is that Rondo will be traded and so will Bradley.  

    Both Lee and Crawford are statistically better over-all players than Bradley. Bradley is dispensible. All three are good bench players. 

    The Cs did not extend Bradley's contract.  That speaks volumes.  Bradley, Bass and a pick could get us someone like Eric Gordon, a real SG with All Star upside.

    They will not hang onto Rondo for another year while rebuilding and then have Rondo demanding  a long term max deal.  They need Rondo to move Wallace contract while getting a quality Center.  

     

     

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    Just like you said Rondo will be gone after the trade deadline last season?

     

    HAHAHA

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    Maybe you're too stupid to remember that Rondo was hurt in January prior to the Febuary trade deadline so logically, for anyone with a brain, he could not be traded.  

    But we all know that your sole purpose of posting here is to flame like the sad troll that you are.

    Its too bad, because you could be a valued contributor on here, but for some reason you insist on continuing to bait others and act like a immature jerk.  You're back on ignore, there Mr Popular.  lol lol lol

     
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    AB shouldnt be a starter for most any team at this point. Hes a good situation role player off the bench for an already good team.. Turn up the defensive pressure, exhaust the opposiing PG etc..

    Anything else seems to be gravy with this guy... he hasnt blossomed into the player we thought after he had a few months of great play couple seasons ago.... he's received passes before due to injury and missing preseason...  cant use that excuse anymore, hes just not getting it done and makes for a decent pickup for a contending team as a role player off the bench

     
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    A fair interesting post, all could happen or different variations of it.  Lee does not have a good stroke form more than fifteen feet out.  I think on a championship team, it would be a stretch to see him  because at this time he is not a long ball threat.  Sullinger, Fav, and KO should develope in 24 months into a good rotation of bigs.  The next 12 months with drafts and trades, some of our favorite players could be here or gone, but the face of the Boston Celtics will change.  Jeff Green is the biggest dissapointment in the NBA the guy holds everything inside and if he had desire like Bradley we would be in good shape.  The wild card is RONDO, what will happen in a dozen games after he returns.  Thanks for a good post.

     
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    In response to romneywins' comment:
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    A fair interesting post, all could happen or different variations of it.  Lee does not have a good stroke form more than fifteen feet out.  I think on a championship team, it would be a stretch to see him  because at this time he is not a long ball threat.  Sullinger, Fav, and KO should develope in 24 months into a servricable front court.  The next 12 months with drafts and trades, some of our favorite players could be here or gone, but the face of the Boston Celtics will change.  Jeff Green is the biggest dissapointment in the NBA the guy holds everything inside and if he had desire like Bradley we would be in good shape.  The wild card is RONDO, what will happen in a dozen games after he returns.  Thanks for a good post.

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    what are you talking about?

     

    Lee is a CAREER 38% 3 ptshooter!!

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leeco01.html

     

    match him up against some of the best in the league and see where he stands.

     

    he may have other liability's and may never be a starting 2 on a championship team, but he IS a very good 3 pt shot.

     

    in comparison Ray Allen is a career 40% shot and he is generally consideredone of the best ever

     

     
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    In response to Eldunker's comment:
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    Its too bad, because you could be a valued contributor on here, but for some reason you insist on continuing to bait others and act like a immature jerk.  You're back on ignore, there Mr Popular.  lol lol lol

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    Eldunker.. your error was in starting an excellent  thread and then allowing a jealous fungus to get under your skin. He's been trying to break you for months... and finally succeeded.

    IGNORE means just that.

    Pud

     

     
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    In response to Eldunker's comment:
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    Keepers.  NBA Leaders Statistically = Sullinger - Lee - Crawford

    He sees that Sullinger is an efficient scorer and rebounder with a team high and top 20 league  PER of 22+.  By far statistically the best player on the team per 40 minutes played.  Sullinger will not be traded.  Not no way. Not no how.  He is the top 5 pick he was projected to be prior to his injury.  The steal of the draft.  He is only playing 20MPG because Stevens already knows that he is the PF future of the Celtics.  ...So Bass is getting more minutes to showcase for an inevitable trade.  Count on it.

    He sees that Lee is also productive at both ends of the floor.  With a team second best 20+ PER, shooting 55% FG%, virtually no turnovers he is only playing 17 MPG. Why?  Because Bradley is being showcased for a trade.  Lee will be pegged as the #2 SG on the depth chart.  He is better than you all think.  Better than Bradley.  He will not be traded.  

    Speaking of Bradley.  Not only is he too small to play SG at 6'1", he can't shoot from the outside (a horrentous 20% from 3 point territory for a SG!!) and he is a turnover machine (leading the team).  He is playing 30 MPG, taking more shots than anyone on the team and only copntributing 12 PPG.  He has a below league average of 12 PER which is worse than 7 other Celtics players.  DA did not extend his contract for a reason.  Bradley is being showcased and will be traded. Count on it.

    Crawford.  Statistics don't lie.  The guy is shooting 40% from 3 point land, is the 3rd leading scorer on the team.  Excellent turnover ratio. Leading the team by far with 5 APG (Bradley has 1.4).  He is a very capable/deep long term backup at PG who can also provide a spark at SG. 

    Doing OK. Nothing Special (all about 15 PER, or league average statistically):  Green (trade bait), Bass (trade priority), Fav (capable backup at Center), Hump (expiring contract).   

    Bad. Statistically Failing = Bradley (trade bait), Wallace, terrible 9.7 PER (highest trade priority but will require Rondo or Green to move him), and Oly, terrible 9.7 PER (statiscally the best rebounder on the team but needs lots of development to play PF)

     

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    This is a good post but I think you are coming to a few too hasty conclusions.

     

    1) Bradley, has a PER of 12 right now, but it was under 6 when he played point guard. meaning since moving back to shooting guard his PER has to have been above the league average to account for the increase.

    2) Bradley's defense. I couldn't find this again, but I read a stat a few weeks ago that the Celtics are 10 points better in PPP when Bradley on the floor. One of the Reasons Avery continues to start.  Stevens is a defense first coach. 

    I don't think the Celtics will overpay for Bradley, but I do think they'd like him back on a reasonable contract. 

    P.S.

    Since you're a stat geek check out this article and this site.  I think you'll like them. I'm still trying to get my head around win shares, but it seems like it might be a better stat that PER. 

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanriper/2013/04/05/the-nbas-most-overpaid-players/

    http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players

    It's cool stuff. 

     
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    There is no chance that Rondo and Bradley will comprise the Celtics backcourt in January.  Without our other all star shooters they would offer no outside threat and the offense would be non-existant with collapased D.  They have a Combined lifetimne 3 point average of <20%. Both amoung the league's worst. One of them has to have an outside shot.   LOL.  

    It is much more likely that both will no longer be Celtics in January.  

    and Portland trades Aldridge for Sully?!!  Are you mentally handicapped ? 

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    I am surprised no one called you out for that. Rondo is a lifetime 24% and Bradley is 32%, I fail to see how combined they can be less than 20%. Anyway Bradley is a much better catch and shoot player and his average was much higher when he has played with Rondo. Now don't get me wrong, that is not a huge sample size, but I expect once rond gets back you will see his 3pt shooting average increase probably around 35%.

     

     
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