What to do with Avery Bradley

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    I don't think it will take Stevens long to find out AB doesn't have many pure point guard skills. I would like to be wrong, but i just don't see Bradley ever being able to control the game fron the point.  

     

     

    Avery Bradley can be a better version of Randy Brown.

     

     

    Randy on defense, i'm still hoping to see a little Vinnie Johnson in his offensive game. He has the ability to have a good mid range game, and once he learns to finish at the rim, the confidence in his scoring should pick up.



    You must be a very optimistic person.. VJ was maybe the greatest 6th man scorer in nba history... the microwave was one of those guys that was just plain unstoppable.

     

     

    Actually i'm much more of a glass half empty guy. I said a little Vinnie Johnson, i'm not saying he can come in like VJ and be just plain unstopable. 
     

     

     

     
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    I don't think it will take Stevens long to find out AB doesn't have many pure point guard skills. I would like to be wrong, but i just don't see Bradley ever being able to control the game fron the point.  

     

     

    Avery Bradley can be a better version of Randy Brown.

     

     

    Randy on defense, i'm still hoping to see a little Vinnie Johnson in his offensive game. He has the ability to have a good mid range game, and once he learns to finish at the rim, the confidence in his scoring should pick up.



    You must be a very optimistic person.. VJ was maybe the greatest 6th man scorer in nba history... the microwave was one of those guys that was just plain unstoppable.

     

     

     

    Actually i'm much more of a glass half empty guy. I said a little Vinnie Johnson, i'm not saying he can come in like VJ and be just plain unstopable. 
     

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    I misunderstood... 

    VJ was something though...not sure anyone scared me more than that guy when he warmed up...  maybe McAdoo when he was in Buffalo

     
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    I don't think it will take Stevens long to find out AB doesn't have many pure point guard skills. I would like to be wrong, but i just don't see Bradley ever being able to control the game fron the point.  

     

     

    Avery Bradley can be a better version of Randy Brown.

     

     

    Randy on defense, i'm still hoping to see a little Vinnie Johnson in his offensive game. He has the ability to have a good mid range game, and once he learns to finish at the rim, the confidence in his scoring should pick up.



    You must be a very optimistic person.. VJ was maybe the greatest 6th man scorer in nba history... the microwave was one of those guys that was just plain unstoppable.

     

     

     

     

    Actually i'm much more of a glass half empty guy. I said a little Vinnie Johnson, i'm not saying he can come in like VJ and be just plain unstopable. 
     

     



    I misunderstood... 

     

    VJ was something though...not sure anyone scared me more than that guy when he warmed up...  maybe McAdoo when he was in Buffalo

      VJ or McAdoo never won a 6th man of the year award. Kind of hard to believe.


     
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    Last year, the SG position was manned by bricklayers.  To call any of them shooters does a disservice to the term, and maybe Lee will be better and Brooks can step up.  Bradley is a streak shooter at best, but really, his history shows that he just hasn't had much solid experience. He wasn't as good at Texas as he was touted to be before that season, went into the draft and was selected by a team with a HOFer (as a 2) playing ahead of him.  Injuries prevented and delayed his development, and this summer is the first time he's had to work on his game.  Bradley isn't too far from where he was in high school in terms of development.  He's still young, and he's still small for a 2 but can play somewhat bigger, but the reality is that he just has to become a more reliable scorer, as many have indicated. I'm willing to see how this season goes for him, and barring further injury, I hope he'll show more than his outstanding defense.  Letting him walk or trading him for another unknown factor makes no sense.  He's not Melo.

     

     


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    I don't think it will take Stevens long to find out AB doesn't have many pure point guard skills. I would like to be wrong, but i just don't see Bradley ever being able to control the game fron the point.  

     

     

    Avery Bradley can be a better version of Randy Brown.

     

     

    Randy on defense, i'm still hoping to see a little Vinnie Johnson in his offensive game. He has the ability to have a good mid range game, and once he learns to finish at the rim, the confidence in his scoring should pick up.



    You must be a very optimistic person.. VJ was maybe the greatest 6th man scorer in nba history... the microwave was one of those guys that was just plain unstoppable.

     

     

     

     

    Actually i'm much more of a glass half empty guy. I said a little Vinnie Johnson, i'm not saying he can come in like VJ and be just plain unstopable. 
     

     



    I misunderstood... 

     

    VJ was something though...not sure anyone scared me more than that guy when he warmed up...  maybe McAdoo when he was in Buffalo

     

     

      VJ or McAdoo never won a 6th man of the year award. Kind of hard to believe.


     

     

    6th man of the year started in 83. Mcadoo retired in 86.

    He also started 543 of 852 career games.

     

     
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    I don't think it will take Stevens long to find out AB doesn't have many pure point guard skills. I would like to be wrong, but i just don't see Bradley ever being able to control the game fron the point.  

     

     

    Avery Bradley can be a better version of Randy Brown.

     

     

    Randy on defense, i'm still hoping to see a little Vinnie Johnson in his offensive game. He has the ability to have a good mid range game, and once he learns to finish at the rim, the confidence in his scoring should pick up.



    You must be a very optimistic person.. VJ was maybe the greatest 6th man scorer in nba history... the microwave was one of those guys that was just plain unstoppable.

     

     

     

     

    Actually i'm much more of a glass half empty guy. I said a little Vinnie Johnson, i'm not saying he can come in like VJ and be just plain unstopable. 
     

     



    I misunderstood... 

     

    VJ was something though...not sure anyone scared me more than that guy when he warmed up...  maybe McAdoo when he was in Buffalo

     

     

      VJ or McAdoo never won a 6th man of the year award. Kind of hard to believe.


     

     

    6th man of the year started in 83. Mcadoo retired in 86.

    He also started 543 of 852 career games.

     

      So McAdoo didn't always start, right?


     
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    I don't think it will take Stevens long to find out AB doesn't have many pure point guard skills. I would like to be wrong, but i just don't see Bradley ever being able to control the game fron the point.  

     

     

    Avery Bradley can be a better version of Randy Brown.

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    WOW!!! From being the "next coming of Michael Jordan" to being a better version of Randy Brown. Like you put it "Baby Jordan"

    laughing out loud

     
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    I don't think it will take Stevens long to find out AB doesn't have many pure point guard skills. I would like to be wrong, but i just don't see Bradley ever being able to control the game fron the point.  

     

     

    Avery Bradley can be a better version of Randy Brown.

     

     

    Randy on defense, i'm still hoping to see a little Vinnie Johnson in his offensive game. He has the ability to have a good mid range game, and once he learns to finish at the rim, the confidence in his scoring should pick up.



    You must be a very optimistic person.. VJ was maybe the greatest 6th man scorer in nba history... the microwave was one of those guys that was just plain unstoppable.

     

     

     

     

    Actually i'm much more of a glass half empty guy. I said a little Vinnie Johnson, i'm not saying he can come in like VJ and be just plain unstopable. 
     

     



    I misunderstood... 

     

    VJ was something though...not sure anyone scared me more than that guy when he warmed up...  maybe McAdoo when he was in Buffalo

     

     

      VJ or McAdoo never won a 6th man of the year award. Kind of hard to believe.


     

     

    6th man of the year started in 83. Mcadoo retired in 86.

    He also started 543 of 852 career games.

     

     

      So McAdoo didn't always start, right?


     

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    did you see the part about 6th man of the year starting in 83?

     
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    At only 22 years old, its too early to make any call on Bradley, but his upside is very very high.  Lets take a look at what we do know:

    Bradley was ranked the #1 recruit in the 2009 high school class, higher than Wizards point guard John Wall ($80 million).

    At Texas, Bradley averaged 11.6 points, 2.9 rebounds and 2.1 assists during his one season and and as a result of a less than stellar showing, Bradley slipped to the Celtics who selected him with the 19th pick in the 2010 draft. 

    Bradley played in just 31 games during the 2010-11 season, averaging only 5.2 minutes in the few games he did appear in. He began the season at just 19 years old, the youngest player in the NBA. 

    In the 2011-2012 season, Bradley was able to showcase his ability to lock down opposing guards, but through 29 games Doc only played Bradley an average of 16 minutes per game , scoring 3.7 PPG and shooting 43% from the field.

     

    But when Allen went down with injury, Bradley got more playing time and he began burying corner threes and over the last 37 games of the 2011-12 season Bradley played 25.1 minutes per game, scoring 10.4 PPG and shooting 52% from the field and an amazing 49% from three. All of this while allowing only 0.72 points-per-possession (PPP) on defense, the 29th best number in the NBA. 

    But then, injuries to both shoulders impacted his shot and effectiveness and he was shut down for good during the 2012 2nd round playoff series with Philadelphia.

    The injury caused Bradley to miss the first 30 games of the 2012-13 season, and when he returned the offensive efficiency we saw the previous season was missing. Bradley did average a career high 9.2 points per game, but shot only 40.2% from the field and 31.7% from deep. 

    Defensively Bradley didn't miss a beat in his return, evolving into one of the most dominant defensive guards, 16th best in the league, and earned 2nd team All-Defensive honors.  However, nobody should have expected him to perform better than he did, being suddenly thrown into a new role at the PG position.  

    Following this season Bradley will become a restricted free agent (Celtics can match any offers) unless he and the Celtics reach an agreement on an extension by the NBA's November 1st deadline. Considering Bradley's history it's likely that Stevens will want to see what Bradley does this year before committing big money to him going forward.

    Contractually, Tony Allen is probably the closest comparison to Bradley
    Tony is much older at 31, is also a lockdown defensive specialist, but has a little better offensive game.  Allen was recently given a 4 year $20M deal.

    I believe that Bradley never had the environment under Doc to develop his confidence. Once he had the chance, he excelled, then went down with injury. When he was ready to play, he was thrust into a key role and he wasn't ready mentally or physically. He has a great attitude and work ethic. and he proved that he has the potential.   

    If Bradley has a similar season to last year (great defensively, poor offensively), I'd expect his value at about $3-4M/year, and he would be available for the right trade. However, if Bradley shows that he has regained the consistent offensive potential he showed in 2011-2012, and given his youth, I would immediately lock him down for a 4 year $25M.  With a consistent outside shot, Bradley could become one of the most valuable SGs in the NBA and a key long term foundation to the team.

     

     
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     Package AB in a deal for Hayward or Austin Rivers.  That's what the team needs.  A guy who can create his own shot, has height, and in Heywards case is a threat from the three.

     
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    Boston Celtics Summer Camp Part 11: Avery Bradley 

    August 10th, 2013 at 2:29 PM 

    By Sean Melia

     

    Avery Bradley, a player that Boston Celtics fans have talked themselves into for the past two seasons, is finally healthy and ready for a full season of basketball. Bradley has never played a full season, last year he returned for the last 50 games. His strength is on the defensive end of the court. Per Synergy Sports, he ranked 16th in points per possession last season. He's a lockdown defender, who harasses his opponent on the entire court. 

    'Avery Bradley and Jordan Crawford' photo (c) 2011, Keith Allison - license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/

    Bradley will have a much larger load to carry this season. With Rajon Rondopossibly missing some time at the start of the year due to his knee injury, Bradley could play a lot of point guard. His ball handling skills leave something to be desired, along with his ability to spread the floor as a shooter when charged with the job of playing shooting guard. 

    Bradley only shot 32% on three pointers last year, way down from 40% in his 2011-12 season. A look at his shot chart will give an idea of how poor a shooter Bradley is. The red sections represent areas where Bradley shot under the league average. This is not a good thing, there's a lot of red on here. Even at the rim, where Bradley took 2.7 shots per game, he struggled (hoopdata.com).

    Bradley is at his most dangerous when he is able to cut to the basket, he's quick, and when paired with Rondo (which has been very rare after their injuries) they are very effective. However, when you consider Rondo's difficulty shooting along with Bradley's it becomes clear that Bradley has to be better from the perimeter.

    Bradley defenders will claim that he was not 100% last year, a fair argument. He had surgery on both shoulders, clearly that will effect his shooting. His numbers in 2011-12 were better, and hopefully Bradley can use this summer to get healthy and find his jump shot again. 

    During the Knicks playoffs series last May Bradley allowed Ray Felton to dominate the flow of the entire series. In the last few games, especially game six (during the huge near comeback), he realized could rattle Felton.

    Bradley might have been tired and worn out, but he'll need to be an elite defender and a serviceable shooter to guarantee his playing time this year.Courtney Lee is a solid defender too, and a a much better shooter. That could be a big competition within the team once Rondo is healthy. 

    Here's hoping Bradley's shoulders are ready to carry a bigger load. 9.2 points per game will not cut it, he'll have to get it up 12 points. He's always going to score 4-6 points off of turnovers. A few threes a game mixed in, or a couple easy lay-ups off Rondo passes will make him a more dangerous scorer. The Celtics will need it they want to avoid a disappointing season. 

     



    Spot on.

     

    AB must work on the corner three. He hasn't had a full off season or season when he's been healthy to work on his game. I bet AB comes back much improved in shooting. Looking at that shot chart, he's actually got the midrange jumper down pretty well. 

     

    If AB can get into the mid 40's on those corner threes, and ups his production to about 15ppg, he can be a starting 2. He may not be a 40mpg starting 2, but he should be able to really excel as a DTA player

     

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