What's up with Garnett?

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    What's up with Garnett?

    Has anybody noticed Garnett's game this year? 

    1. He plays more like a guard than center more and more.

    2. Have you noticed how many jump shots he takes lately?

    3. Have you noticed how many jump shots he is missing lately?

    4. He actually took 3 three point shots and missed them all in the Chicago game.

    5. His rebounding is getting worse and worse. Probably because he is playing a guard's position.

    6. His shot blocking is terrible.

     

     
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    Re: What's up with Garnett?

    he is old. that pretty much answers your questions.

    The guy used to be a freak athlete.

     
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    Re: What's up with Garnett?

    It's just his age - lesser stamina, diminished jumping ability, declining athleticism.  He can't mix it up as much anymore on the inside, so he has to rely mostly on his outside shot for offense.                                                                                                                

     
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    Re: What's up with Garnett?

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    Has anybody noticed Garnett's game this year? 

    1. He plays more like a guard than center more and more.

    2. Have you noticed how many jump shots he takes lately?

    3. Have you noticed how many jump shots he is missing lately?

    4. He actually took 3 three point shots and missed them all in the Chicago game.

    5. His rebounding is getting worse and worse. Probably because he is playing a guard's position.

    6. His shot blocking is terrible.

     

    How about the 3 free throws he missed late!


     
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    In response to celticsince1958's comment:

     

    Has anybody noticed Garnett's game this year? 

    1. He plays more like a guard than center more and more.

    2. Have you noticed how many jump shots he takes lately?

    3. Have you noticed how many jump shots he is missing lately?

    4. He actually took 3 three point shots and missed them all in the Chicago game.

    5. His rebounding is getting worse and worse. Probably because he is playing a guard's position.

    6. His shot blocking is terrible.

     

     

    How about the 3 free throws he missed late!


     



    Fatigue. He was also having an off-night just like Paul Pierce.

     
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    Has anyone noticed that Garnett is still really good?  Yes he is tired and limited by no help in the front court.  Would you expect a 36 year old to not need help upfront when he needed the year before. We would have won a title last year if they had another big man to help KG with minutes.

     

    Where have you guys been?  Garnett is not the problem. Pierce has had more fall  off by far.

     
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    Has anyone noticed that Garnett is still really good?  Yes he is tired and limited by no help in the front court.  Would you expect a 36 year old to not need help upfront when he needed the year before. We would have won a title last year if they had another big man to help KG with minutes.

     

    Where have you guys been?  Garnett is not the problem. Pierce has had more fall  off by far.




    I still think Garnett is one of the best big men in the game.  Just pointing  out the obvous. His skills have slipped because he is old.  It isn't some great mystery.

     
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    On this topic, we all know KG has a no-trade clause, but that does not mean he cannot be traded. If DA decides to make trades designed to build towards the future (versus win now), KG could be moved to a contender, if he approves the trade!

    I am not stating KG will be traded (or I want him traded), but it does make you wonder if DA has asked him about possible trade destinations!

     

     
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    Has anyone noticed that Garnett is still really good?  Yes he is tired and limited by no help in the front court.  Would you expect a 36 year old to not need help upfront when he needed the year before. We would have won a title last year if they had another big man to help KG with minutes.

     

    Where have you guys been?  Garnett is not the problem. Pierce has had more fall  off by far.

     




    I still think Garnett is one of the best big men in the game.  Just pointing  out the obvous. His skills have slipped because he is old.  It isn't some great mystery.

     



    I guess what I was trying to say because of Garnett's great skills he could fall off and still be very effective which he is, he just needs some help.

     
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    Age is the #1 factor, but we're talking post Perk KG.  Last time he had help were those 2 weeks Shaq was healthy.

     
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    Re: What's up with Garnett?

    In response to celticsince1958's comment:

    Has anybody noticed Garnett's game this year? 

    1. He plays more like a guard than center more and more.

    2. Have you noticed how many jump shots he takes lately?

    3. Have you noticed how many jump shots he is missing lately?

    4. He actually took 3 three point shots and missed them all in the Chicago game.

    5. His rebounding is getting worse and worse. Probably because he is playing a guard's position.

    6. His shot blocking is terrible.

     



    Garnett is still capable of playing in the low post.  He proved that last year after the all star game.  He just doesn't want to do it anymore.  He got his contract and now he's back playing at the 2 where he's happy.

     
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    Has anybody noticed Garnett's game this year? 

    1. He plays more like a guard than center more and more.

    2. Have you noticed how many jump shots he takes lately?

    3. Have you noticed how many jump shots he is missing lately?

    4. He actually took 3 three point shots and missed them all in the Chicago game.

    5. His rebounding is getting worse and worse. Probably because he is playing a guard's position.

    6. His shot blocking is terrible.

     

     



    Garnett is still capable of playing in the low post.  He proved that last year after the all star game.  He just doesn't want to do it anymore.  He got his contract and now he's back playing at the 2 where he's happy.

     

     



    So is that a good reason we should not try to trade him? Maybe he is happy, but let some other team be happy with him. If we had a real center that would be okay to keep him, but we do not!

     

     
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    Re: What's up with Garnett?

    In response to teejaytee70's comment:

    In response to celticsince1958's comment:

     

    Has anybody noticed Garnett's game this year? 

    1. He plays more like a guard than center more and more.

    2. Have you noticed how many jump shots he takes lately?

    3. Have you noticed how many jump shots he is missing lately?

    4. He actually took 3 three point shots and missed them all in the Chicago game.

    5. His rebounding is getting worse and worse. Probably because he is playing a guard's position.

    6. His shot blocking is terrible.

     

     



    Garnett is still capable of playing in the low post.  He proved that last year after the all star game.  He just doesn't want to do it anymore.  He got his contract and now he's back playing at the 2 where he's happy.

     



    Right...its obviously an attitude problem.  Not declinling skills due to age. I mean the guy was a skinny 4 his whole career until last year when the Celtics made him a 5.  He can't jump like he used to and doesn't have the weight to compete against true centers. He never had a real good post up game, he used to get his points and boards on being a freak athlete.

    But I mean we could go with all that or just accept your theory that he has a bad attitude, that he just wants a paycheck  and wants to be a two guard even though I have never heard anyone else ever say anything like that.

    Tough call...

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: What's up with Garnett?

    KG still a difference maker on the defensive end.

    Points, rebounds and assists are nice, but plus-minus is the most important stat in basketball.

    Teams win games by outscoring their opponent, and plus-minus reflects how much a team has done that in a player'€™s minutes on the floor. If a player isn'€™t scoring, he can help his teammates score and also prevent the opponent from doing so.

    But in basketball, with nine other guys on the floor affecting what each player does, plus-minus always needs context, and lots of it. Who is a guy playing his minutes with? Who is he not playing his minutes with?

    Furthermore, sample size is important. Single-game plus-minus can help tell a story about key sequences or the impact of a player or two on a particular night. But if you really want to get a good idea of how a team performs when a player or group of players is on the floor, you'€™ve got to look at a large chunk of games.

    At this point in the season, we can get a pretty good idea of where teams are strong and weak. Through Thursday, 224 players have logged at least 500 minutes for one team this season.

    On Wednesday, we looked at the players with the biggest on-off court differential in regard to their team'€™s offensive efficiency. Today, we look at the defensive end of the floor.

    Measuring the difference in a team'€™s offensive efficiency (points scored per 100 possessions) when a player is on the floor vs. when he’s off the floor, here are the league'€™s five biggest difference makers, as well as a pair at the bottom of the list.

    For all of them, the discrepancy between their team'€™s defensive numbers with them on and off the floor is as much about the guys replacing them as it is about what they'€™re doing themselves.

    1. Kevin Garnett, Celtics

    On/off floor  MIN           DefRtg

    On floor        905            96.3

    Off floor        613            110.7

    Diff.                                  -14.4

    Because the Celtics use a unique substitution pattern with KG, you can get a pretty clear idea of the impact he makes. No other Celtics regular has played more 63 percent of his minutes with Garnett.

    You probably figured Garnett would be at or near the top of this list, but 14.4 points per 100 possessions? That'€™s an amazing number, and it'€™s an indictment on Brandon Bass (382 minutes with Garnett off the floor), Jared Sullinger (331) and Chris Wilcox (297) and Paul Pierce (391) and Rajon Rondo (432).

     

    223. Al Jefferson, Jazz

    If there'€™s a high-scoring big man who'€™s worse defensively than Boozer, it'€™s Al Jefferson. And if the Jazz want to be a good defensive team going forward, Jefferson is the impending free agent that they trade or let walk this summer.

     

    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/01/04/no-shock-kg-is-a-difference-maker-on-d/?ls=iref:nbahpt6e

     

     
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    KG still a difference maker on the defensive end.

    Points, rebounds and assists are nice, but plus-minus is the most important stat in basketball.

    Teams win games by outscoring their opponent, and plus-minus reflects how much a team has done that in a player’s minutes on the floor. If a player isn’t scoring, he can help his teammates score and also prevent the opponent from doing so.

    But in basketball, with nine other guys on the floor affecting what each player does, plus-minus always needs context, and lots of it. Who is a guy playing his minutes with? Who is he not playing his minutes with?

    Furthermore, sample size is important. Single-game plus-minus can help tell a story about key sequences or the impact of a player or two on a particular night. But if you really want to get a good idea of how a team performs when a player or group of players is on the floor, you’ve got to look at a large chunk of games.

    At this point in the season, we can get a pretty good idea of where teams are strong and weak. Through Thursday, 224 players have logged at least 500 minutes for one team this season.

    On Wednesday, we looked at the players with the biggest on-off court differential in regard to their team’s offensive efficiency. Today, we look at the defensive end of the floor.

    Measuring the difference in a team’s offensive efficiency (points scored per 100 possessions) when a player is on the floor vs. when he’s off the floor, here are the league’s five biggest difference makers, as well as a pair at the bottom of the list.

    For all of them, the discrepancy between their team’s defensive numbers with them on and off the floor is as much about the guys replacing them as it is about what they’re doing themselves.

    1. Kevin Garnett, Celtics

    On/off floor  MIN           DefRtg

    On floor        905            96.3

    Off floor        613            110.7

    Diff.                                  -14.4

    Because the Celtics use a unique substitution pattern with KG, you can get a pretty clear idea of the impact he makes. No other Celtics regular has played more 63 percent of his minutes with Garnett.

    You probably figured Garnett would be at or near the top of this list, but 14.4 points per 100 possessions? That’s an amazing number, and it’s an indictment on Brandon Bass (382 minutes with Garnett off the floor), Jared Sullinger (331) and Chris Wilcox (297) … and Paul Pierce (391) and Rajon Rondo (432).

     

    223. Al Jefferson, Jazz

    If there’s a high-scoring big man who’s worse defensively than Boozer, it’s Al Jefferson. And if the Jazz want to be a good defensive team going forward, Jefferson is the impending free agent that they trade or let walk this summer.

     

    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/01/04/no-shock-kg-is-a-difference-maker-on-d/?ls=iref:nbahpt6e

     



    Really?  But I thought all he wanted was a paycheck?  You mean he works hard and plays good D? I had no idea.

     
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    Re: What's up with Garnett?

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    Has anybody noticed Garnett's game this year? 

    1. He plays more like a guard than center more and more.

    2. Have you noticed how many jump shots he takes lately?

    3. Have you noticed how many jump shots he is missing lately?

    4. He actually took 3 three point shots and missed them all in the Chicago game.

    5. His rebounding is getting worse and worse. Probably because he is playing a guard's position.

    6. His shot blocking is terrible.

     

     



    Garnett is still capable of playing in the low post.  He proved that last year after the all star game.  He just doesn't want to do it anymore.  He got his contract and now he's back playing at the 2 where he's happy.

     

     



    Right...its obviously an attitude problem.  Not declinling skills due to age. I mean the guy was a skinny 4 his whole career until last year when the Celtics made him a 5.  He can't jump like he used to and doesn't have the weight to compete against true centers. He never had a real good post up game, he used to get his points and boards on being a freak athlete.

     

    But I mean we could go with all that or just accept your theory that he has a bad attitude, that he just wants a paycheck  and wants to be a two guard even though I have never heard anyone else ever say anything like that.

    Tough call...

     

     

     

     



    Crazy to complain about KG.  The only part of the discussion is to get him help upfront. He will be fine.  At the two where tee-jay is joking about Garnett we have a problem. Ribs are a real problem to deal with for a guy as active as Bradley. This could linger and really kill his progress in coming back.  People hardly even think it is an issue pointing to negative x-rays.  Ribs don't work that way. They linger and impede body movement everywhere. It will be interesting to see if I am just being paranoid.

     
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    In response to snakeoil123's comment:

     

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    In response to celticsince1958's comment:

     

    Has anybody noticed Garnett's game this year? 

    1. He plays more like a guard than center more and more.

    2. Have you noticed how many jump shots he takes lately?

    3. Have you noticed how many jump shots he is missing lately?

    4. He actually took 3 three point shots and missed them all in the Chicago game.

    5. His rebounding is getting worse and worse. Probably because he is playing a guard's position.

    6. His shot blocking is terrible.

     

     



    Garnett is still capable of playing in the low post.  He proved that last year after the all star game.  He just doesn't want to do it anymore.  He got his contract and now he's back playing at the 2 where he's happy.

     

     



    Right...its obviously an attitude problem.  Not declinling skills due to age. I mean the guy was a skinny 4 his whole career until last year when the Celtics made him a 5.  He can't jump like he used to and doesn't have the weight to compete against true centers. He never had a real good post up game, he used to get his points and boards on being a freak athlete.

     

    But I mean we could go with all that or just accept your theory that he has a bad attitude, that he just wants a paycheck  and wants to be a two guard even though I have never heard anyone else ever say anything like that.

    Tough call...

     

     

     

     

     



    Crazy to complain about KG.  The only part of the discussion is to get him help upfront. He will be fine.  At the two where tee-jay is joking about Garnett we have a problem. Ribs are a real problem to deal with for a guy as active as Bradley. This could linger and really kill his progress in coming back.  People hardly even think it is an issue pointing to negative x-rays.  Ribs don't work that way. They linger and impede body movement everywhere. It will be interesting to see if I am just being paranoid.

     




    Rest can cure this particular ailment, so acute is more accurate than chronic. Nonetheless, we do risk the chance of dropping our seeding w/ each game he misses. You are correct in the fact that if it isn't healed 100% then it will linger. Therein lies the rub...

     
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    Has anybody noticed Garnett's game this year? 

    1. He plays more like a guard than center more and more.

    2. Have you noticed how many jump shots he takes lately?

    3. Have you noticed how many jump shots he is missing lately?

    4. He actually took 3 three point shots and missed them all in the Chicago game.

    5. His rebounding is getting worse and worse. Probably because he is playing a guard's position.

    6. His shot blocking is terrible.

     

     



    Garnett is still capable of playing in the low post.  He proved that last year after the all star game.  He just doesn't want to do it anymore.  He got his contract and now he's back playing at the 2 where he's happy.

     

     



    Right...its obviously an attitude problem.  Not declinling skills due to age. I mean the guy was a skinny 4 his whole career until last year when the Celtics made him a 5.  He can't jump like he used to and doesn't have the weight to compete against true centers. He never had a real good post up game, he used to get his points and boards on being a freak athlete.

     

    But I mean we could go with all that or just accept your theory that he has a bad attitude, that he just wants a paycheck  and wants to be a two guard even though I have never heard anyone else ever say anything like that.

    Tough call...

     

     

     

     

     



    Crazy to complain about KG.  The only part of the discussion is to get him help upfront. He will be fine.  At the two where tee-jay is joking about Garnett we have a problem. Ribs are a real problem to deal with for a guy as active as Bradley. This could linger and really kill his progress in coming back.  People hardly even think it is an issue pointing to negative x-rays.  Ribs don't work that way. They linger and impede body movement everywhere. It will be interesting to see if I am just being paranoid.

     

     




    Rest can cure this particular ailment, so acute is more accurate than chronic. Nonetheless, we do risk the chance of dropping our seeding w/ each game he misses. You are correct in the fact that if it isn't healed 100% then it will linger. Therein lies the rub...

     



    Your right acute is worse short term.  It could become chronic especially if connected to his surgeries.  I don't mean to sound negative but the kid getting injured after seven games and eight months of being out is not a good sign for a 22 yr old.

     
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    Has anybody noticed Garnett's game this year? 

    1. He plays more like a guard than center more and more.

    2. Have you noticed how many jump shots he takes lately?

    3. Have you noticed how many jump shots he is missing lately?

    4. He actually took 3 three point shots and missed them all in the Chicago game.

    5. His rebounding is getting worse and worse. Probably because he is playing a guard's position.

    6. His shot blocking is terrible.

     

     



    Garnett is still capable of playing in the low post.  He proved that last year after the all star game.  He just doesn't want to do it anymore.  He got his contract and now he's back playing at the 2 where he's happy.

     

     



    Right...its obviously an attitude problem.  Not declinling skills due to age. I mean the guy was a skinny 4 his whole career until last year when the Celtics made him a 5.  He can't jump like he used to and doesn't have the weight to compete against true centers. He never had a real good post up game, he used to get his points and boards on being a freak athlete.

     

    But I mean we could go with all that or just accept your theory that he has a bad attitude, that he just wants a paycheck  and wants to be a two guard even though I have never heard anyone else ever say anything like that.

    Tough call...

     

     

     

     

     



    Crazy to complain about KG.  The only part of the discussion is to get him help upfront. He will be fine.  At the two where tee-jay is joking about Garnett we have a problem. Ribs are a real problem to deal with for a guy as active as Bradley. This could linger and really kill his progress in coming back.  People hardly even think it is an issue pointing to negative x-rays.  Ribs don't work that way. They linger and impede body movement everywhere. It will be interesting to see if I am just being paranoid.

     

     




    Rest can cure this particular ailment, so acute is more accurate than chronic. Nonetheless, we do risk the chance of dropping our seeding w/ each game he misses. You are correct in the fact that if it isn't healed 100% then it will linger. Therein lies the rub...

     

     



    Your right acute is worse short term.  It could become chronic especially if connected to his surgeries.  I don't mean to sound negative but the kid getting injured after seven games and eight months of being out is not a good sign for a 22 yr old.

     

     




    No offense, but I don't see the connection between the ribs' and shoulders'. Even taking into account overcompensating for rib pain, the connection fails me(that is if it is truly only the ribs in question). Again, once the rib heals there would be now lingering effects from the original injury. Can you explain your thought process?


    Or not. Did you not read my post or did you decide my question isn't worthy? There is a 3rd alternative which I will save for later...

     
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    Re: What's up with Garnett?

    A legit question was asked and either missed or ignored. I simply would like to be educated about an alleged connection between the rib cage and shoulders'. This is an earnest question regarding something I can't possibly fathom. Somebody please educate me!

     
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