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Well nice job Fierce, you joined the adult conversation in a way that doesn't personally attack others. You disagree of course, but are at least slightly less snotty and more respectful about it today.
I agree that trading Bradley and Lee and keeping Bass around is not a good idea... we'd go from 4 to 2 SG's and have like 6 guys who prefer to play PF.
Again the points have been made for both sides of Sully vs. Varejao. You are right that Cleveland could get better offers from others... but Lee, Sully and a pick is a pretty solid one. You have gone OFF on how Varejao is a 30 year old rebounding beast signed cheaply for 3 more years... so why is it 'idiotic' yo move Sully for him?
I've already told you that once KG/PP are gone (and there is almost NO chance this is Pierce's last year) the C's would have a competitive core of Rondo-Avery-Green and Sully that is absolutely one superstar away from being a title contender.
What is more likely? Winning a title in the next 2 years by adding the PERFECT player for us in AV.... or being a destination desired by a superstar in 2-3 years when we have cap space? I think Ainge will have a hard time doing again in 2015 what he did in 2007 and it is better to go for broke these 2 years. The situation is really not similar to Billups/JJ at all.
For the record, I'm not against getting Varejao.
However, I don't think what the Celts have to offer will make the Cavs happy.
Let's just put this way, if the Cavs tell Ainge we want Sully for Varejao, then do the deal!
But I don't think the Cavs would want to have Tristan Thompson and Sully starting at the same time.
What I'm saying is, it's not a realistic trade because Varejao is worth more than Sully, Lee, and picks.
And also for the record, I don't think Ainge will trade Sully this season.
I'm fine with that logic and we can finally agree.
A final few points:
- you are 3 weeks removed from comparing Green to Worthy and while he is no Magic, Rondo and the guy who was 8" taller than him are both the best rebounding PG's of their time, get 11+ dimes and shot terribly from 3 point range. KG at 36-37 is a 15-7.5 guy. Kareem, albeit 38-39 in the 87-88 title seasons was a 16-6.5. KG is a better defender. They had the same impact.
- Tristan Thompson is built like Deng, Jeff Green, Marvin Williams, Trevor Ariza... he can be the backup SF on a team with Sully playing lots of 4. Doc is currently using Sully at the 5... he could see time behind Zeller, who knows, its just pretty clear to me they both would get thier mins.
- for the record, I don't think we trade Sully, I think by the playoffs based on improvement we have like a 25% chance of beating Miami but if we got Varejao it would be neck and neck and many of those 35 people would change their mind.
- The big 3 didn't step up the way HOfer's do in '10, but the Artest dirty play that sent Ray into an 0-16 funk, the Perk injury and the parade to the line on multiple phantom no contact calls didn't help much. That team had heart and a great game plan and couldn't catch one break after Ray's great shooting in game 2. It was truly a shame and I'll feel the sting of that finals all my life.
Stop making excuses. Give credit where credit is due. The Lakers were the better team that night.
Artest made 3-pointers in Game 7 when it mattered.
Ray was a 1 hit wonder in that Finals. After Game 2, he disappeared. Injured or not, it's the Finals, rise to the occasion!