Who is the next Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, + Kevin Garnett?

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    Who is the next Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, + Kevin Garnett?

    The next Ray Allen might be Anthony Morrow.
    The next Kevin Garnett might be Lamarcus Aldridge.
    The next Paul Pierce might be Nick Young.

    The first guy we have a chance to acquire is Nick Young this summer.

    I would part with Avery Bradley and Glen Davis for this guy.


    Is that enough?

    Kristic can be resigned to play the Glen Davis role.

     
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    Very interesting scenarios... lots for us to think over!  I think the Celtics are planning on making Jeff Green the next Paul Pierce, and I'd expect him to improve greatly once he actually has a Celtics training camp under his belt.  What do you think of that possible lineage?
     
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    [QUOTE]Very interesting scenarios... lots for us to think over!  I think the Celtics are planning on making Jeff Green the next Paul Pierce, and I'd expect him to improve greatly once he actually has a Celtics training camp under his belt.  What do you think of that possible lineage?
    Posted by MsLithium21[/QUOTE]

    Jeff Green is nothing like Pierce. He has the shooting touch but not the temperament/aggressiveness.

    Pierce's legacy is his competitiveness and heart. His is one of the grittiest Celtics ever.

    I don't see a lot of grit(anger, competitiveness) in Jeff Green.

    I could say the same for Nick Young, but his saving grace is his explosive offense and ball-handling ( which he has over Jeff ) as well as never afraid to keep shooting.


    The heart and ability to lead and put a team on your back offensively in the clutch is not one of Jeff's strengths, but is Pierce's greatest strength.

    So in short, he does'nt qualify as well as Nick Young does.

     
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    OK... that makes sense, and I agree with your assessments of Green though I need to do a little more research on Young.  I still think Jeff Green could develop most of those Pierce qualities as he's still very young.  That said, if we have the chance to get Young I'd hope we pursue it. 
     
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    [QUOTE]OK... that makes sense, and I agree with your assessments of Green though I need to do a little more research on Young.  I still think Jeff Green could develop most of those Pierce qualities as he's still very young.  That said, if we have the chance to get Young I'd hope we pursue it. 
    Posted by MsLithium21[/QUOTE]

    Well I believe we had a chance to get Morrow last summer and nothing was mentioned that Ainge even tried!

    I mean really, to pay Marquis almost as much as Morrow? Bad choice!!!


    I think Marquis signed for 3 mil and Morrow signed for 4 mil.

     
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    Hmmmm... not to mention Quis had a KNOWN history of these spinal injuries.  I've got nothing against Quis but without knowing more facts, that one makes my head spin. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Hmmmm... not to mention Quis had a KNOWN history of these spinal injuries.  I've got nothing against Quis but without knowing more facts, that one makes my head spin. 
    Posted by MsLithium21[/QUOTE]

    I don't like wing players that - A) Look like they can barely dunk
                                             B) Have no consistent range out to 17 feet

    That is the major reason I did'nt like Daniels or Giddens or Tony Allen(he has ups, though).


    In Tony's case, he excelled on defense to the point where he could get more points than he gave up. (usually)

     
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    K. Durant, D.Howard & Monta Ellis
     
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    [QUOTE]K. Durant, D.Howard & Monta Ellis
    Posted by Jokerblue[/QUOTE]


    DAAAAAY-


    UUUUUUUUMMMMMM!


    Git Raw wit it! (Lil Jon voice)

    How could we EVER get those guys?
     
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    I hope that Ainge sees this post because I have been concerned about this since they Allen and KG joined the team! That has been my biggest complaint about Ainge in that his draft picks have been so bad since they came onboard. I felt that he should have started building for the future immediately. I have no idea who their replacements will be I just hope that Ainge wakes up and realizes that he needs to start planning for the future.
     
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    As an aside: I know that some of y'all get annoyed by Laker-Nation32. As for me I see him like those special-ed kids back in school. Don't make fun of them or feel bad for them just expect for them to say some "interesting" things from time to time.
     
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    [QUOTE]The next Ray Allen might be Anthony Morrow. The next Kevin Garnett might be Lamarcus Aldridge. The next Paul Pierce might be Nick Young. The first guy we have a chance to acquire is Nick Young this summer. I would part with Avery Bradley and Glen Davis for this guy. Is that enough? Kristic can be resigned to play the Glen Davis role.
    Posted by DaCeltics[/QUOTE]

    no offense, but nick young is nothing but a gunner. doesn't do anything except shoot
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Who is the next Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, + Kevin Garnett? : no offense, but nick young is nothing but a gunner. doesn't do anything except shoot
    Posted by teh-n00b[/QUOTE]

    Pierce was the same at this stage.
     
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    you dont just replace Hall of Famers..
     
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    Anthony 'one trick pony' morrow is already 25 and has had his PER drop 3 straight years while being allowed to jack shots for terrible teams.

    He is a nice 5th best player shooting specialist to have. He would have been a dime a dozen type 20 years ago but now, with no great 40%+ shooters anymore, he can start and dump in 14-17 a game for another 6-7 years.

    Hardly Ray Allen though.







     
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    Nick Young the next Paul Pierce!?!?!

    He is scrawny and a black hole. Pierce had 20lbs on him even at the same age. One of the most selfish players I have seen in a good while. He is more like Morrow than either Allen and Pierce.

    Young has SIX... SIX games all year with 2+ assists. He has FIVE games with 5+ rebounds.

    At age 25 Pierce had 47.... FORTY SEVEN 2+ assist games. He had 57.... FIFTY SEVEN games with 5+ rebounds.

    WOW. Oh and he was an all-star who averaged 9 more points.
     
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    Ray Allen was the next Reggie Miller... only better. Pierce was the next Clyde Drexler/Bernard King.

    These are HOF superstars Da.

    The next Paul Pierce plays for the Knicks... his name is Carmelo Anthony.

    The next Ray Allen? Well there will never be a 3 point shooter like him, EVER again. But the next great smooth as silk SG who puts up 22-25 a game would have been Brandon Roy... maybe he still can be, but for the injury.

    Eric Gordon is more of a tweener than a SG... but at age 22 he has been better than Ray was at 22, granted in his rookie year, but Gordon is a 20 point, 37% from 3 45% overall FG guy. If the criteria is for a SG who is truly a great shooter (not D Wade) and gets 22-24 a game for the next decade. I'd go with Gordon.

    As for Paul, guys like Butler and Carmelo were similar, but played most of their careers with him.

    An under 22 player who would be like Pierce? Beasley should have been.. but no defense and maturity yet. Evan Turner is smart and more than capable of getting Paul's reb/ast #'s. If he adds that dangerous outside shot, he could be like Paul.

    Looking into the college ranks you could say Jimmer might be like Ray and Derrick Williams of Arizona like Pierce.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who is the next Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, + Kevin Garnett? : Well I believe we had a chance to get Morrow last summer and nothing was mentioned that Ainge even tried! I mean really, to pay Marquis almost as much as Morrow? Bad choice!!! I think Marquis signed for 3 mil and Morrow signed for 4 mil.
    Posted by DaCeltics[/QUOTE]

    Da you do throw some no-brainer comments out there. I love the enthusiasm, but you just mes sup way too much.

    In this thread I take issue with:

    'Kristic fills the Baby role'

    HUH?!?

    Our 7' finesse center known as a weak low post defender but with a sweet shot and length to flip in shots fills the role of our lunchpail, charge taking, emotional banger in BBD?

    Sorry. Kristic is fine as a 24 minute platoon Center w/ the O'Neals next season. Baby or a legit banger PF needs to be brought it to backup KG next year.

    2nd issue is saying we could have gotten Morrow over Quis. Sorry. We could only have gotten him with the MLE we gave to Jermaine O'Neal. No Perk injury and I'd have been all for it. Perk out 2/3 of the season meant JON and Marquis as the smarter option in July.

    Actually giving Tony Allen the 3rd year he wanted and dithcing a guy with back injuries was the smartest move.
     
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    Agree that Jeff Green is not a Pierce type player.

    I said he was like Cliff robinson a month ago.

    The Derrick McKey comparison has been made of late.

    I agree with both of those.

    A 17-19ppg starter in his prime who will get a useful but not spectacular 5-7 boards and 1 block/steal sweet dunk a game. Bothers SF's w/ his length, too skinny to be a great PF. But overall a guy who should be your 4th best player if you are a contender, too passive and easy-going to be a superstar.

    He reminds me a bit of a taller Reggie Lewis
     
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    [QUOTE]Agree that Jeff Green is not a Pierce type player. I said he was like Cliff robinson a month ago. The Derrick McKey comparison has been made of late. I agree with both of those. A 17-19ppg starter in his prime who will get a useful but not spectacular 5-7 boards and 1 block/steal sweet dunk a game. Bothers SF's w/ his length, too skinny to be a great PF. But overall a guy who should be your 4th best player if you are a contender, too passive and easy-going to be a superstar. He reminds me a bit of a taller Reggie Lewis
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    rameakap Blitz!

     
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    [QUOTE]Nick Young the next Paul Pierce!?!?! He is scrawny and a black hole. Pierce had 20lbs on him even at the same age. One of the most selfish players I have seen in a good while. He is more like Morrow than either Allen and Pierce. Young has SIX... SIX games all year with 2+ assists. He has FIVE games with 5+ rebounds. At age 25 Pierce had 47.... FORTY SEVEN 2+ assist games. He had 57.... FIFTY SEVEN games with 5+ rebounds. WOW. Oh and he was an all-star who averaged 9 more points.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    No two players are exactly alike. I think his offensive game is similar to Pierce, but he definitely has room for growth.

    I remember Pierce being called a black hole and getting the lion's share of the blame for his Olympic team's failure's.


    Young has the most important criteria, aggressive, gutsy, crafty wing player with great shooting percentages from the perimeter.

    The stuff you can't teach. You can teach rebounding, ball movement and defense.

    Observe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXUPcZq6TFs&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZz-eGcsB1M&feature=related
     
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    [QUOTE]Anthony 'one trick pony' morrow is already 25 and has had his PER drop 3 straight years while being allowed to jack shots for terrible teams. He is a nice 5th best player shooting specialist to have. He would have been a dime a dozen type 20 years ago but now, with no great 40%+ shooters anymore, he can start and dump in 14-17 a game for another 6-7 years. Hardly Ray Allen though.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    One trick Pony? Pretty damn good trick!

    Hey, what does Ray Allen do extremely well besides stroke it?

    Uuuuuh, nothing!

    I take that back. He plays damn good "D" on D Wade and Kobe come playoffs.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who is the next Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, + Kevin Garnett? : No two players are exactly alike. I think his offensive game is similar to Pierce, but he definitely has room for growth. I remember Pierce being called a black hole and getting the lion's share of the blame for his Olympic team's failure's. Young has the most important criteria, aggressive, gutsy, crafty wing player with great shooting percentages from the perimeter. The stuff you can't teach. You can teach rebounding, ball movement and defense. Observe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXUPcZq6TFs&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZz-eGcsB1M&feature=related
    Posted by DaCeltics[/QUOTE]

    Young is a SG, not a SF

    If you want to say he is as good a shooter/crafty scorer as Pierce was at the same age you'd still be wrong... but a lot closer to a real comment than to compare them as complete players.

    Paul did not play thie kind of D in regular season games for lotto teams in his 20's he did when on a top 5 team in his 30's... so in that sense maybe Young will grow into it or is holding back some...

    but Paul was a physical SF who was an all-star at 24... Young is 25... and PP showed a desire to mix it up, had a nose for rebounds and a great ability to get his teammates involved. Young has shown none of that. Turner on the other hand has.

    Pierce had Young's offense, Derrick William body and flair at the rim and Evan Turner's smarts/ passing skills and nose for rebounds in his early 20's.

    The next Paul Pierce will explode onto the scene age 21-22, Caron Butler was 85% of Paul as a rookie and Melo 110% of him. That type of player.
     

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