Re: who to take, westbrook or rondo?
posted at 11/23/2010 6:35 PM EST
In Response to who to take, westbrook or rondo?
I take westbrook. I like his offense. He is a game changer and a winner.
Posted by lovetruth007
I find this topic fascinating.....
People love to put qualifiers on topics such that it protects their opinion / perspective / team / psyche, etc.
If you say "I would take X player instead of Rondo" someone will respond with "for this team Rondo fits in perfectly".... to this I say anytime you add a player that is simply better without any "qualifiers" you are a better team. NO OTHER PLAYER PLAYS WITH 4 GUYS GOING TO THE HALL OF FAME ON THE VERY FIRST VOTE.
People say Rondo is "perfect for this team" but then fail to even consider / think about / discuss that no other player in the league is playing with 4 players going to the Hall of Fame unanimously on the first ballot. These are the same people that say that Perk is a borderline all-star something or other and how could they possibly get by without Perk for half the season.... when in reality, the Cs were able to sign two centers that are better than Perkins.
Give the following players #5, #20, and #34 and the Cs are no worse off and in many cases a lot better.
C Paul, Deron Williams, Jennings, Rose, Wall, Davis, Udrih, Nash, Evans, Curry, Ellis, Westbrook, Devin Harris, Brooks, Parker, Kidd, and so on...
Again, the context that I am laying out is that the Cs would not be worse off and in many cases a lot better. Would the defense be doubling off Nash? Ignoring Tyreke Evans? Daring Devin Harris to beat them?
Rondo is an automatic double team - every night a coach says "so and so is not going to beat us tonight"... then the next day people say Ray Allen or KG or PP had a crappy game but cannot associate the fact that the opponent decided to take a player out of the game by ignoring Rondo and doubling one of the big 3.
Wide open uncontested jumper at the end of the Dallas game - the Mavs are laughing and on their way to the locker room as soon as Rondo is getting the ball in place to clang one - barely catching iron - ditto against the Bulls.
You may give up some defense but your offense is a lot better, your point guard may no longer be a liability in the half court set (as both Doc and Coach K said recently), your point guard may not pass up layups because he is afraid to go to the foul line, your point guard - if he could shoot - would have 5 fewer assists per game because he would be taking and making jumpers, your point guard would not be costing the offense 3 points per game (the best point guards go to the line twice as often and make a percentage that is almost twice as high).
So for me it is not just Westbrook - there is no way to assess what Rondo's teammates mean to his game and there is no way to assess to how other players would affect the Cs overall ability to contend.
But I contend very simply that no other point guard in the league has as much talent to play with however there are many other point guards in the league that are just as capable in their overall game that would ensure the Cs are just as good if not a lot better.
Who is the all time leading assist leader to start his career in assists? John Wall... does he pass the ball to #5, #34, #20?
Who is the only point guard to score at least 50 points and have triple double in his first calendar year in the NBA? Brandon Jennings.....
but of course..... these guys are not "perfect for this team"..... again, if you put qualifiers on things, you make any argument you want to make.
I remember all of the posters on this blog talking about how Al Jefferson will be a perennial all-star. He has never made an all-star team - never even got close - and as a matter of fact played on a lottery team every year in the league until this year when his point guard will get him into the playoffs and he will be again not make the playoffs because a rookie will make the all-star team and he will again be enjoying more than one beverage and watching the all-star game.
There is a general consensus that now that Rondo has made an all-star team he will be the perennial point guard representative. In the last few years Rondo, Rose, Nelson, and Harris have made the all-star team. If Rondo were in the West and not playing with the three HOF he would not even get a sniff and in the east there are any number of players that will get an all-star nod and as a result of who he plays with, Rondo will get all-star games where he is clearly not one of the best point guards but gets the nod as a result of who he plays with.
They are no worse off with Harris, Wall, Nash, Kidd, Evans, Paul, Williams, Nelson, Rose, Davis, Parker, Westbrook, etc..................... but if you keep putting qualifiers on it it - "Rondo is pefect for this team"...... though simply having better players and or no worse players they are in the same position.