Re: Will Doc Get Fired this Season?
posted at 12/25/2012 10:06 PM EST
In response to Celtsfan4life's comment:
In response to Karllost's comment:
Who can coach if DOc gets fired or leaves?? Look at the Knicks... D"antoni gone and Woodson steps up from assistant coach to head coach... viola... not bad, huh.
Before that move took place, who could have justified saying Woodson was a better coach than D'antoni??
I agree with most of what acie posted.. DOc has no control over Rondo and let the kid turn into a bigger monster than he started out as.. Does ALLOWING your PG to not give effort defensively and stay in hot pursuit of an occassional swipe-from-behind steal stat....good coaching???? Been going on for years... Heck, Doc has even stated in interviews opponents penetration was big factor in our defensive breakdowns..of course, never mentioning Rondo by name..
Doc is not an elite coach imo....not even in the conversation. He got 3 HOF's in 2007 .. plus a really good bench and we won one title... Most any coach can look good with great players that know what theyre doing and are committed... Frankly, the players carried this team imo over the subsequent years..
Then the real braintrust left (Tibs) and has the Bulls playing like the 07-08 Celtics ever since,.. little by little... Watch them play the game and youll see lack of effort, no fluidity on offense or defense... its one thing not to have the physical capacity to execute.. its another to always seem confused cause youre not sure what to do or what your role is.
Many coaches, Karl, have had hall of famers and have not accomplished what Doc has. take your Tibs comment - how can he be the braintrust? The system started before he got here. It started with Dick Harter. Thibs did a good job. Love him. But Doc and Danny set up a defensive minded Team and Thibs was but one element. KG is more important. So was Doc, himself, as evidenced by the great D we play every year without Thibs. Look at Doc's assistants.....he hires well - the sign of a good manager. Look at this team's performance vs the Bulls - who's gone to the finals and who's won a championship? Bulls have the MVP and they ca't even get to the finals. Doc has a team that everyone said stunk last year and by the end of the season, he has them in contention. That's EVERY year since 2008. That's good coaching because he had different support players every year (and some times - NO BENCH).
Doc has earned a little respect. If you can say by season's end that this team is not performing well, we can reopen this discussion but Coaches who've won like Doc don't get fired mid-season after being given new players to work in. Rather, they are given a chance to prove they can work the new players in and can produce a winning team.
Doc didn't make the trades to get rid of the big men and count on Shaq and JON to stay healthy. That was the GM's gamble and it backfired. Even then, Doc brought the team to the level they could challenge and if not for Rondo's injury, I still think we would have challenged Miami 2 years ago like we did last year.
I understand your view, but I strongly disagree with you. This team will get better and the best chance of that happening is with this Coach.
Im not so sure you do undestand my view. Ive expressed my displeasure with Doc, Ive expressed how I wish we kept Tibs as HC instead of DOc... I dont recall saying fire Doc or predicting he would get fired mid season (maybe im wrong, let me know) ... although it wouldnt break my heart.
Look, when a team does well just about everyone has their hand out taking credit.. The C's werent a great team until Ray n KG joined.. until then DOc was coaching n going nowhere fast.. KG & Ray turned the team around....and both were great leaders ... they were still there during our seasons we did well after that.
So you wanna credit Doc for that success, your privilege... I see it different