Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 9:41 PM EST
- redsoxfan94
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In Response to Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics : Ha Ha That's really funny, Kirk, considering how many Laker trolls I took out on this board this year alone. Rebounding you say? Brandon Bass' career high in rebounding is 5.6 rpg. Glen Davis 5.4 rpg last season. Did we really get better in the rebounding department?
Posted by Fiercest34
you may be right, but going into this season the core are arguably as healthy as they have ever been since they have been here, and they added some high energy guys off the bench..i have alot of confidence in the signings that danny has made, espescially bass and dooling, they may mean alot to us come playoff time. Dooling's ball pressure would be extremely helpful vs a team like the knicks or heat, and even though bass' rebounding numbers arent much of an upgrade over BBD, he just seems like a more energetic player and the man is built, like freakin GRONK built
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Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 9:48 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics : JO and Garnett are our starters. What is wrong with you?
Posted by Kirk6
JO and KG vs. Bosh and Joel Anthony. Ugh!
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 9:49 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics : you may be right, but going into this season the core are arguably as healthy as they have ever been since they have been here, and they added some high energy guys off the bench..i have alot of confidence in the signings that danny has made, espescially bass and dooling, they may mean alot to us come playoff time. Dooling's ball pressure would be extremely helpful vs a team like the knicks or heat, and even though bass' rebounding numbers arent much of an upgrade over BBD, he just seems like a more energetic player and the man is built, like freakin GRONK built
Posted by redsoxfan94
Healthy? It's not even 1 week and this already happened:
—Paul Pierce (sore right heel) practiced today, but came out at the end of the scrimmage. Rajon Rondo (sprained right ankle) did not practice, but Doc said he would probably scrimmage tomorrow or Wednesday.
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 9:51 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics : I do. Bass, Wilcox, JJ, Daniels,...these are all upgrades over the end of last year. This is a much better team.
Posted by Kirk6
We'll find out in 2 weeks at Madison Square Garden. If the Celts lose, I told you so!
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 9:53 PM EST
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Posted by Kirk6
Exactly
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Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 9:55 PM EST
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its a sprained ankle, last time rondo was playing, his elbow was outside of his arm...and even though this probobaly means absolutely nothing, JON is healthier, and even though he sucks, he is tall enough to get some rebounds and cheap 2nd chance points for us.
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 9:59 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics : And when we win?
Posted by Kirk6
I eat crow.
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 10:02 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics : Bosh is the biggest pus..y on the planet.
Posted by Kirk6
That may be true, but KG didn't do much better against him in the playoffs.
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 10:49 PM EST
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Kirk,
We will see if this existing roster is better. I am pretty sure it is not. The players are older, none of the additions are game changers and we know that teams that go deep in the playoffs for years as we have suffer greater fatigue. Look at the Bird era and how they all just petered out. We needed to make some bold moves like we did in 2007. If we don't, in a much more competitive conference we won't come out better. The Lakers won't either.
If however Danny is not done then it is a different story.
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 11:38 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics : Nobody on the Warriors was as old as KG either. Tyson Chandler is just 29 years old. KG was no match for either Bosh or Joel Anthony in last season's playoffs.
Posted by Fiercest34
You must have watched a different series than me. KG vs Bosh was a standoff. Anthony didn't play against KG and visa versa. Our issue was Wade and Lebron + our "center by committee". Let's not rewrite history and try to blame the Miami series on KG just to make your point. KG played fine. Not great, but fine. Paul and Ray didn't come through defensively, we didn't get the advantage at PG we thought we'd get, and our centers failed.
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 11:39 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics : Bosh is the biggest pus..y on the planet.
Posted by Kirk6
Exactly.
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 11:47 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics : You must have watched a different series than me. KG vs Bosh was a standoff. Anthony didn't play against KG and visa versa. Our issue was Wade and Lebron + our "center by committee". Let's not rewrite history and try to blame the Miami series on KG just to make your point. KG played fine. Not great, but fine. Paul and Ray didn't come through defensively, we didn't get the advantage at PG we thought we'd get, and our centers failed.
Posted by Celtsfan4life
KG played fine? Not going to the FT line once in Games 1 and 2, not even once in 2 games, is fine?
The difference between Larry Bird and KG is Bird is great and KG is just fine.
You want a championship? Being fine is NOT good enough!
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 11:55 PM EST
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When KG was great, 28 pts and 18 rebs in Game 3 against the Heat, the Celtics won!
That's the only time the Celtics beat the Heat, when KG was great!
Fine is NOT good enough!
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 11:57 PM EST
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Not a bad team, I would wish for a provern younger center and I would have loved to have either Richard or Delonte, but they are gone and we are left without a true sub for Ray Allen. But we are not bad, just not good enough to defeat on a regular basis NY, Heat, and Bulls, or am I underestimating the big three?
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/12/2011 11:58 PM EST
Amazing how you change your argument from Bosh played so much better than KG and that's why we lost to KG didn't play like Larry Bird. Go check Bird's stats against Milwaukee when we got swept. Everyone has a bad series sometimes. But, while KG didn't carry the team, he didn't lose the series for us. Wade and Lebron just killed us along with their center position outrebounding ours.
Facts: KG averaged 14.4 points per game in that series and Bosh averaged 12.8. It was a wash. In the meantime, they out rebounded our center position EVERY NIGHT and Wade and Lebron scored 28 to 38 points every night.
Now - let's stop being biased here. KG didn't play great but he did not lose the series for us. Our centers got KILLED and our guards got killed and our small forward position got outplayed (although not as bad as the shooting guard position).
Stop trying to pick on individual words. As I said, "Not great, but fine". The issue was elsewhere. Ray and Paul didn't come through defensively, out PG position was not the advantage we thought it would be and our centers got killed. Which park of the last sentence do you think is wrong.....as opposed to picking on wording?
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/13/2011 12:00 AM EST
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Not a bad team, I would wish for a provern younger center and I would have loved to have either Richard or Delonte, but they are gone and we are left without a true sub for Ray Allen. But we are not bad, just not good enough to defeat on a regular basis NY, Heat, and Bulls, or am I underestimating the big three?
Posted by maryngary
Well said. Our big 3 will play very well, but they will be rubber legged at times and their only chance is to have lots of rest. The key is whether or not our bench steps up better than last year and if we can go without injury.
Only time will tell, but I think we will be a step behind the Heat, Bulls, and perhaps NY, as well. We will give them a run for the money and do better than last year, I believe, however.
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/13/2011 12:08 AM EST
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Amazing how you change your argument from Bosh played so much better than KG and that's why we lost to KG didn't play like Larry Bird. Go check Bird's stats against Milwaukee when we got swept. Everyone has a bad series sometimes. But, while KG didn't carry the team, he didn't lose the series for us. Wade and Lebron just killed us along with their center position outrebounding ours. Facts: KG averaged 14.4 points per game in that series and Bosh averaged 12.8. It was a wash. In the meantime, they out rebounded our center position EVERY NIGHT and Wade and Lebron scored 28 to 38 points every night. Now - let's stop being biased here. KG didn't play great but he did not lose the series for us. Our centers got KILLED and our guards got killed and our small forward position got outplayed (although not as bad as the shooting guard position). Stop trying to pick on individual words. As I said, "Not great, but fine". The issue was elsewhere. Ray and Paul didn't come through defensively, out PG position was not the advantage we thought it would be and our centers got killed. Which park of the last sentence do you think is wrong.....as opposed to picking on wording?
Posted by Celtsfan4life
KG led the Celts in scoring in the playoffs in 2008 the Celts won a championship.
In 2010 KG was just fine against the Lakers and Gasol and the Celtics ended up with no championships.
Larry Bird had a bad series also, true. But Bird has 3 rings and 3 MVP trophies.
According to the stats Bosh and KG just cancelled each other out. That's not what actually happened. In that series Bosh went to the FT line in every game and only failed to get at least 10 rebounds only once, Game 3. KG on the other hand got at least 10 rebounds in 3 out of 5 games and didn't even attempt a single FT until Game 3.
Now, Bosh just being fine is enough to beat the Celtics. KG being fine only results in 1 win against the Heat.
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/13/2011 2:41 AM EST
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Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics:
C - JO PF - KG SF - Pierce SG - Ray PG - Rondo 6th - Jeff Green 7th - Bass 8th - Dooling 9th - Daniels 10th - Wilcox 11th - Pavlovic 12th - Jajuan Johnson 13th - Moore 14th - Bradley 15th - that Center from the D-League
Posted by Fiercest34
I saw a similar post on ESPN BOSTON and it said that Bradley was Ray Allen's official back-up. I guess Doc is gonna start trusting him more, he has some good D but we'll see how he does in real games.
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/13/2011 3:03 AM EST
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I believe that the 2011-12 Biston Celtics are very different from the 2010-11 Celtics. As a result, they will match up better with some teams and worse with others.
Better Matchups: Heat, Bulls, Other teams with weaker low post presence.
Worse matchups: Orlando, Knicks, Others teams with strong low post presence.
What I like about this team:
1) Younger. Means less injuries. Means more consistent rotation.
2) More Athletic. Means a more running style of play.
What I worry about:
1) Backup 1 and 2.
What I am hoping for:
1) More maturity in Rondo's game (better shooting).
2) Minutes for JJJ.
3) Doc learns something from Rick Carlyle and plays a deep rotation consistently.
Swaps I like:
1) Wilcox for BBD at 5.
2) JJJ at 4 & 5.
Crazy thoughts: Some time I want to see a lineup of JJJ, KG, Green, Paul and Rondo. Wonder how that will work.
Expectations:
1) #5 seed in Eastern Conference Playoffs.
2) A trip to the Eastern Conference finals.
Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/13/2011 4:10 AM EST
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Re: Your 2011-12 Boston Celtics
posted at 12/13/2011 3:09 PM EST
Excellent posts, Prakash. Too much negativity around here. We may not be the favorites of the media, but this team is better than last year's and if our starters get some rest (especially KG), we will do well in the playoffs.
